My proof is that I have only cold like symptoms, whereas a couple who have not contacted the virus previously but have had the all 3 jabs are violently ill in bed .
I’m not telling people not to get vaccinated, it’s their choice , as much as it’s a person’s choice not to be vaccinated & not to have their freedoms taken away .
ChesneyChrist: One day this will all be over and people on both sides of the debate can stop pretending they see dead people. If you like vaccines then you'll defy the odds by knowing a little kid really ill with covid, if you don't like vaccines you'll defy the odds by another way; knowing an old person who died of a jab.
We need to get away from these communist and fascist scum who, despite of being dead against one another, are both a lying f*ck.
That sums it pretty much up. Agree. When both sides know so little why be so stubborn in your statements is my '?'
Scientists do give reasoned answers, that's what they do,Fair enouf and when they say a vaccine works, I believe them. What I have a problem with is people who refuse vaccination because they disagree with it. Fair enough if you don't want it just stay away from me and mine. But also some are involved in the service side of things, God knows how many people they have infected. in my opinion, they should be stopped catering to the general public, It's pure selfishness.
tomcatty: Scientists do give reasoned answers, that's what they do,Fair enouf and when they say a vaccine works, I believe them. What I have a problem with is people who refuse vaccination because they disagree with it. Fair enough if you don't want it just stay away from me and mine. But also some are involved in the service side of things, God knows how many people they have infected. in my opinion, they should be stopped catering to the general public, It's pure selfishness.
Dedovix: so lets try again-you dont have any arguments ,just blind obedience to the system
medicine isn`t a exact science at all - do you have confidence in your vaccine ???
Blind obedience to the system is no different from blind obedience to the deviation.
You come across as having blind obedience to the deviation when you repeat stuff without question.
I just found an article on mercury in vaccines. I'm still wading my way through it, but the issue isn't nearly as simple as chewing on an old style thermometer.
It's easy to look at the word 'mercury' and ask what the hell are 'they' doing to us?
It's much harder to pick apart and research every word and phrase in a 'news' report, mainstream, or otherwise.
tomcatty: Scientists do give reasoned answers, that's what they do,Fair enouf and when they say a vaccine works, I believe them. What I have a problem with is people who refuse vaccination because they disagree with it. Fair enough if you don't want it just stay away from me and mine. But also some are involved in the service side of things, God knows how many people they have infected. in my opinion, they should be stopped catering to the general public, It's pure selfishness.
Why would you worry if you’ve had the jabs ? Besides , those who are vaccinated are as likely to pass it on as much as those who haven’t.
Grandsiozzie: ycn, there is a chance fantaziya forgot to post a link.
I didn't, Ozzy
I gave youcannow information about two countries... the rest it's up to him to do homework. I need to clean house (New Year's eve is coming) and make salads and bake and read and knit and to take a stroll for a gasp of fresh air lol Life goes on.
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jac_the_gripper: Blind obedience to the system is no different from blind obedience to the deviation. You come across as having blind obedience to the deviation when you repeat stuff without question. I just found an article on mercury in vaccines. I'm still wading my way through it, but the issue isn't nearly as simple as chewing on an old style thermometer. It's easy to look at the word 'mercury' and ask what the hell are 'they' doing to us? It's much harder to pick apart and research every word and phrase in a 'news' report, mainstream, or otherwise.
Honey if Im wrong -lets go with that and see the logic behind it -according to the official narrative a vaccine is a weakened virus ,of some kind that provokes a response from your immune system -if your immune system does not create antygenes for this illness ,logically, you would need a immunotherapy, not a second dose of the same ingredients -do you follow me so far? If your body, however creates the expected immunity without-we dont need a -re/vaccination . side effects such as partial paralysis or overall paralysis ,autism ,thrombosis ,infertility etc etc - we wouldn't have 4.2 billions paid off from vaccine injuries and those are only in the USA . Now about my blind following the alternative source of information - over 90 percent of all conspiracy theories are launched and financed by government agencies -to hide the tree in the forest and to be easy to debunk -
Youcannow: Why would you worry if you’ve had the jabs ? Besides , those who are vaccinated are as likely to pass it on as much as those who haven’t.
As you say why should I worry, you are 200 miles or so away, oh wait, are you aware of how this virus spreads if could infect the whole country in a week if left alone , overwhelm the National Health service and kill many people , Lets protect each other by getting vaccinated, but there are still enough antivaxers to kill our children.
fantaziya: I didn't, Ozzy I gave youcannow information about two countries... the rest it's up to him to do homework. I need to clean house (New Year's eve is coming) and make salads and bake and read and knit and to take a stroll for a gasp of fresh air lol Life goes on. Happy New Year! And thank you for everything
Although the chemical compounds are not necessarily written in the same format for each and I'd certainly need to do a bit of further googling.
These covid vaccines have been two, or more decades in the making, so I'm not sure what you mean by 'testing', or which ingredients you're referring to.
I'm not sure what you mean when you refer to virus being 'isolated', either. Perhaps you could explain that to me.
I have not checked your provided links yet ,but im curious about the two decades in making- thats 20 years of working on a corona virus or ???
Dedovix: I have not checked your provided links yet ,but im curious about the two decades in making- thats 20 years of working on a corona virus or ???
If you had read my comment, you would know the answer to that question.
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jac_the_gripper: .
you used `` GOV.UK`` as your source of unbiased information??? what do I mean by isolated??? Statement on virus isolation (SOVI). “SARS-CoV-2 has never been isolated or purified” Isolation: The action of isolating; the fact or condition of being isolated or standing alone; separation from other things or persons; solitariness. The controversy over whether the SARS-CoV-2 virus has ever been isolated or purified continues. However, using the above definition, common sense, the laws of logic and the dictates of science, any unbiased person must come to the conclusion that the SARS-CoV-2 virus has never been isolated or purified. As a result, no confirmation of the virus’ existence can be found. The logical, common sense, and scientific consequences of this fact are:
the structure and composition of something not shown to exist can’t be known, including the presence, structure, and function of any hypothetical spike or other proteins; the genetic sequence of something that has never been found can’t be known; “variants” of something that hasn’t been shown to exist can’t be known; it’s impossible to demonstrate that SARS-CoV-2 causes a disease called Covid-19. In as concise terms as possible, here’s the proper way to isolate, characterize and demonstrate a new virus. First, one takes samples (blood, sputum, secretions) from many people (e.g. 500) with symptoms which are unique and specific enough to characterize an illness. Without mixing these samples with ANY tissue or products that also contain genetic material, the virologist macerates, filters and ultracentrifuges i.e. purifies the specimen. This common virology technique, done for decades to isolate bacteriophages1 and so-called giant viruses in every virology lab, then allows the virologist to demonstrate with electron microscopy thousands of identically sized and shaped particles. These particles are the isolated and purified virus. These identical particles are then checked for uniformity by physical and/or microscopic techniques. Once the purity is determined, the particles may be further characterized. This would include examining the structure, morphology, and chemical composition of the particles. Next, their genetic makeup is characterized by extracting the genetic material directly from the purified particles and using genetic-sequencing techniques, such as Sanger sequencing, that have also been around for decades. Then one does an analysis to confirm that these uniform particles are exogenous (outside) in origin as a virus is conceptualized to be, and not the normal breakdown products of dead and dying tissues.2 (As of May 2020, we know that virologists have no way to determine whether the particles they’re seeing are viruses or just normal break-down products of dead and dying tissues.)3 to be continued
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if we have come this far then we have fully isolated, characterized, and genetically sequenced an exogenous virus particle. However, we still have to show it is causally related to a disease. This is carried out by exposing a group of healthy subjects (animals are usually used) to this isolated, purified virus in the manner in which the disease is thought to be transmitted. If the animals get sick with the same disease, as confirmed by clinical and autopsy findings, one has now shown that the virus actually causes a disease. This demonstrates infectivity and transmission of an infectious agent. None of these steps has even been attempted with the SARS-CoV-2 virus, nor have all these steps been successfully performed for any so-called pathogenic virus. Our research indicates that a single study showing these steps does not exist in the medical literature.
Instead, since 1954, virologists have taken unpurified samples from a relatively few people, often less than ten, with a similar disease. They then minimally process this sample and inoculate this unpurified sample onto tissue culture containing usually four to six other types of material — all of which contain identical genetic material as to what is called a “virus.” The tissue culture is starved and poisoned and naturally disintegrates into many types of particles, some of which contain genetic material. Against all common sense, logic, use of the English language and scientific integrity, this process is called “virus isolation.” This brew containing fragments of genetic material from many sources is then subjected to genetic analysis, which then creates in a computer-simulation process the alleged sequence of the alleged virus, a so called in silico genome. At no time is an actual virus confirmed by electron microscopy. At no time is a genome extracted and sequenced from an actual virus. This is scientific fraud.
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The observation that the unpurified specimen — inoculated onto tissue culture along with toxic antibiotics, bovine fetal tissue, amniotic fluid and other tissues — destroys the kidney tissue onto which it is inoculated is given as evidence of the virus’ existence and pathogenicity. This is scientific fraud.
From now on, when anyone gives you a paper that suggests the SARS-CoV-2 virus has been isolated, please check the methods sections. If the researchers used Vero cells or any other culture method, you know that their process was not isolation. You will hear the following excuses for why actual isolation isn’t done:
There were not enough virus particles found in samples from patients to analyze. Viruses are intracellular parasites; they can’t be found outside the cell in this manner. If No. 1 is correct, and we can’t find the virus in the sputum of sick people, then on what evidence do we think the virus is dangerous or even lethal? If No. 2 is correct, then how is the virus spread from person to person? We are told it emerges from the cell to infect others. Then why isn’t it possible to find it?
Finally, questioning these virology techniques and conclusions is not some distraction or divisive issue. Shining the light on this truth is essential to stop this terrible fraud that humanity is confronting.
For, as we now know, if the virus has never been isolated, sequenced or shown to cause illness, if the virus is imaginary, then why are we wearing masks, social distancing and putting the whole world into prison?
Finally, if pathogenic viruses don’t exist, then what is going into those injectable devices erroneously called “vaccines,” and what is their purpose? This scientific question is the most urgent and relevant one of our time.
We are correct. The SARS-CoV2 virus does not exist.
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