I can now add myself to the list of knowing people killed by the jab. (164)
Geno2809: You look it
I feel it also 
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Geno2809: Personal responsibility will always help ..
It sure does. When it first kicked off and the world experienced its first lockdown that was a strange feeling. If it went back to that I’d manage as usual. However, I do not believe this kind of action will be repeated unless there is a more deadly strain ready to pounce on the world and have a field day, and that is always a possibility.
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Oxycodone: It sure does. When it first kicked off and the world experienced its first lockdown that was a strange feeling. If it went back to that I’d manage as usual. However, I do not believe this kind of action will be repeated unless there is a more deadly strain ready to pounce on the world and have a field day, and that is always a possibility.
If you think a more deadly strain isn't about to pounce, then you have very little faith in our so called leaders... Shame on you... 
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Oxycodone: It sure does. When it first kicked off and the world experienced its first lockdown that was a strange feeling. If it went back to that I’d manage as usual. However, I do not believe this kind of action will be repeated unless there is a more deadly strain ready to pounce on the world and have a field day, and that is always a possibility.
Anything is possible.I wouldn't like to see another lockdown but like yourself I'd manage, and deal with it if it happens.
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Youcannow: Exactly Ox .
Having contacted the original & the delta & now the omicron, I see little or no point of getting jabbed.
Don’t believe those spreading rumours that the vaccine provides immunity.
Stay safe .
I’d never ram it down people’s throats about do this get that. I just do what I believe to be the right thing in the current circumstances. I certainly don’t run away from others who are not wearing a mask ( when it first went pop, people were visibly keeping their distance), or sit 50 feet away isolated when out have a coffee or beer socialising. Having contacted the original & the delta & now the omicron, I see little or no point of getting jabbed.
Don’t believe those spreading rumours that the vaccine provides immunity.
Stay safe .
I’ve been through Ebola, I know how it rolls and ya don’t want to get that.
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Dedovix: Honey if Im wrong -lets go with that and see the logic behind it -according to the official narrative a vaccine is a weakened virus ,of some kind that provokes a response from your immune system -if your immune system does not create antygenes for this illness ,logically, you would need a immunotherapy, not a second dose of the same ingredients -do you follow me so far?
No, the 'weakened virus of some kind' is the antigen.The antigen triggers an immune response in the body.The newer vaccines contain the blue print for producing the antigen, rather than the antigen itself.
The pathogen (e.g. a virus), or antigen (e.g. weakened form of the virus) causes antibodies to be produced; the production of antibodies causes memory cells to be produced.
The memory cells remember how to make more antibodies if exposed to a pathogen, or an antigen more than once. The immune response is faster and more effective on subsequent exposure, hence the boosters.
Remember 'viral load' (the number of pesky virus you catch) is a factor in the severity of the disease. The larger the number of virus in your system, the more ill you are.
When virus enters your system they immediately start to replicate, increasing your viral load and making you sicker. The first time you catch a virus antibody production takes a while, so your viral load gets to replicate unchallenged for a while.
The quicker antibodies are produced, the quicker the virus is killed off, the lower the viral load, the milder the symptoms.
Vaccines and boosters don't make you 'immune' to a virus, they make the immune response quicker and more effective so you experience milder, or no symptoms.
We already know that covid causes long term issues for 10-30% of those infected. It doesn't really surprise me on an intuitive level that a vaccine containing the blue print for a covid antigen might cause those same long term issues, as might a traditional antigen covid vaccine. What we do know is that considerably fewer people die from covid infection, if the catch it and if they are vaccinated. That makes for a complex health gamble on a personal level.
Allergic reactions to the non-active ingredients complicates the personal lottery even more.
Let's not complicate it further with sensatonalist stories about green monkey bollux, eh? We have enough to deal with trying to understand the genuine risks.
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mikey4691: If you think a more deadly strain isn't about to pounce, then you have very little faith in our so called leaders... Shame on you...
There is no shame in understanding the risks or possibilities. Now I won’t get drawn into any political eruptions that spring out of know where like a flea.
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jac_the_gripper: No, the 'weakened virus of some kind' is the antigen.The antigen triggers an immune response in the body.
The newer vaccines contain the blue print for producing the antigen, rather than the antigen itself.
The pathogen (e.g. a virus), or antigen (e.g. weakened form of the virus) causes antibodies to be produced; the production of antibodies causes memory cells to be produced.
The memory cells remember how to make more antibodies if exposed to a pathogen, or an antigen more than once. The immune response is faster and more effective on subsequent exposure, hence the boosters.
Remember 'viral load' (the number of pesky virus you catch) is a factor in the severity of the disease. The larger the number of virus in your system, the more ill you are.
When virus enters your system they immediately start to replicate, increasing your viral load and making you sicker. The first time you catch a virus antibody production takes a while, so your viral load gets to replicate unchallenged for a while.
The quicker antibodies are produced, the quicker the virus is killed off, the lower the viral load, the milder the symptoms.
Vaccines and boosters don't make you 'immune' to a virus, they make the immune response quicker and more effective so you experience milder, or no symptoms.
We already know that covid causes long term issues for 10-30% of those infected. It doesn't really surprise me on an intuitive level that a vaccine containing the blue print for a covid antigen might cause those same long term issues, as might a traditional antigen covid vaccine. What we do know is that considerably fewer people die from covid infection, if the catch it and if they are vaccinated. That makes for a complex health gamble on a personal level.
Allergic reactions to the non-active ingredients complicates the personal lottery even more.
Let's not complicate it further with sensatonalist stories about green monkey bollux, eh? We have enough to deal with trying to understand the genuine risks.
Well put JacThe newer vaccines contain the blue print for producing the antigen, rather than the antigen itself.
The pathogen (e.g. a virus), or antigen (e.g. weakened form of the virus) causes antibodies to be produced; the production of antibodies causes memory cells to be produced.
The memory cells remember how to make more antibodies if exposed to a pathogen, or an antigen more than once. The immune response is faster and more effective on subsequent exposure, hence the boosters.
Remember 'viral load' (the number of pesky virus you catch) is a factor in the severity of the disease. The larger the number of virus in your system, the more ill you are.
When virus enters your system they immediately start to replicate, increasing your viral load and making you sicker. The first time you catch a virus antibody production takes a while, so your viral load gets to replicate unchallenged for a while.
The quicker antibodies are produced, the quicker the virus is killed off, the lower the viral load, the milder the symptoms.
Vaccines and boosters don't make you 'immune' to a virus, they make the immune response quicker and more effective so you experience milder, or no symptoms.
We already know that covid causes long term issues for 10-30% of those infected. It doesn't really surprise me on an intuitive level that a vaccine containing the blue print for a covid antigen might cause those same long term issues, as might a traditional antigen covid vaccine. What we do know is that considerably fewer people die from covid infection, if the catch it and if they are vaccinated. That makes for a complex health gamble on a personal level.
Allergic reactions to the non-active ingredients complicates the personal lottery even more.
Let's not complicate it further with sensatonalist stories about green monkey bollux, eh? We have enough to deal with trying to understand the genuine risks.
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There is a monkey that has blue ones, I forget the name of it.
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Oxycodone: There is no shame in understanding the risks or possibilities. Now I won’t get drawn into any political eruptions that spring out of know where like a flea.
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Dedovix: you used `` GOV.UK`` as your source of unbiased information???
If you are so paranoid that you think the ingredients list for each vaccine might be doctored, false, or fake on the GOV.UK site, then you can't trust any information from anywhere, ever.There are enough covid virus and covid vaccine issues which warrant exploring (including the ingredients listed) without getting to the point where you make your mum test your supper before eating it in case she's out to poison you.
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jac_the_gripper: No, the 'weakened virus of some kind' is the antigen.The antigen triggers an immune response in the body.
The newer vaccines contain the blue print for producing the antigen, rather than the antigen itself.
The pathogen (e.g. a virus), or antigen (e.g. weakened form of the virus) causes antibodies to be produced; the production of antibodies causes memory cells to be produced.
The memory cells remember how to make more antibodies if exposed to a pathogen, or an antigen more than once. The immune response is faster and more effective on subsequent exposure, hence the boosters.
Remember 'viral load' (the number of pesky virus you catch) is a factor in the severity of the disease. The larger the number of virus in your system, the more ill you are.
When virus enters your system they immediately start to replicate, increasing your viral load and making you sicker. The first time you catch a virus antibody production takes a while, so your viral load gets to replicate unchallenged for a while.
The quicker antibodies are produced, the quicker the virus is killed off, the lower the viral load, the milder the symptoms.
Vaccines and boosters don't make you 'immune' to a virus, they make the immune response quicker and more effective so you experience milder, or no symptoms.
We already know that covid causes long term issues for 10-30% of those infected. It doesn't really surprise me on an intuitive level that a vaccine containing the blue print for a covid antigen might cause those same long term issues, as might a traditional antigen covid vaccine. What we do know is that considerably fewer people die from covid infection, if the catch it and if they are vaccinated. That makes for a complex health gamble on a personal level.
Allergic reactions to the non-active ingredients complicates the personal lottery even more.
Let's not complicate it further with sensatonalist stories about green monkey bollux, eh? We have enough to deal with trying to understand the genuine risks.
They're very small gains you get from dose two/three/four. All they really do is block infection for a short time by activating the defences. They don't actually improve those defences like first doses and natural infection. The newer vaccines contain the blue print for producing the antigen, rather than the antigen itself.
The pathogen (e.g. a virus), or antigen (e.g. weakened form of the virus) causes antibodies to be produced; the production of antibodies causes memory cells to be produced.
The memory cells remember how to make more antibodies if exposed to a pathogen, or an antigen more than once. The immune response is faster and more effective on subsequent exposure, hence the boosters.
Remember 'viral load' (the number of pesky virus you catch) is a factor in the severity of the disease. The larger the number of virus in your system, the more ill you are.
When virus enters your system they immediately start to replicate, increasing your viral load and making you sicker. The first time you catch a virus antibody production takes a while, so your viral load gets to replicate unchallenged for a while.
The quicker antibodies are produced, the quicker the virus is killed off, the lower the viral load, the milder the symptoms.
Vaccines and boosters don't make you 'immune' to a virus, they make the immune response quicker and more effective so you experience milder, or no symptoms.
We already know that covid causes long term issues for 10-30% of those infected. It doesn't really surprise me on an intuitive level that a vaccine containing the blue print for a covid antigen might cause those same long term issues, as might a traditional antigen covid vaccine. What we do know is that considerably fewer people die from covid infection, if the catch it and if they are vaccinated. That makes for a complex health gamble on a personal level.
Allergic reactions to the non-active ingredients complicates the personal lottery even more.
Let's not complicate it further with sensatonalist stories about green monkey bollux, eh? We have enough to deal with trying to understand the genuine risks.
And then it's even more complicated because this milder variant has come from the people who braved it. If everybody had been vaccinated we'd be living now with a deadlier covid. It's friendlier thanks to the opportunity to co-evolve with the normal human being.
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Yessir...
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ChesneyChrist:
And then it's even more complicated because this milder variant has come from the people who braved it. If everybody had been vaccinated we'd be living now with a deadlier covid. It's friendlier thanks to the opportunity to co-evolve with the normal human being.
Oh Covid is your friendAnd then it's even more complicated because this milder variant has come from the people who braved it. If everybody had been vaccinated we'd be living now with a deadlier covid. It's friendlier thanks to the opportunity to co-evolve with the normal human being.
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jac_the_gripper: No, the 'weakened virus of some kind' is the antigen. The antigen triggers an immune response in the body.YOUR TALKING ABOUT GENE THERAPY, NOT A TRADITIONAL VACCINE
The newer vaccines contain the blue print for producing the antigen, rather than the antigen itself.
The pathogen (e.g. a virus), or antigen (e.g. weakened form of the virus) causes antibodies to be produced; the production of antibodies causes memory cells to be produced. -
The memory cells remember how to make more antibodies if exposed to a pathogen, or an antigen more than once. The immune response is faster and more effective on subsequent exposure, hence the boosters.- THATS IN THEORY,NOT IN REALITY -IN BEST CASE SCENARIO IT CREATES A VERY SHORT IMMUNITY -UNLIKE NATURAL GAINED IMMUNITY
Remember 'viral load' (the number of pesky virus you catch) is a factor in the severity of the disease. The larger the number of virus in your system, the more ill you are.OUR BODY'S ACCUMULATES TOXINS -FROM FOOD(ADITIVS ,PESTICIDES ETC ETC),AIR ( POLUTIONS,ELECTRO MAGNETIC RADIATION AND VARIOUS WAVE LENGTHS)WATER VARIOUS POLLUTANTS-STREES, INSUFFICIENT PHYSICAL ACTIVITY-SUPPLEMENTS AND SYNTETRICS -THUS OUR CELLS PRODUCE VIRUSES -THE CLEANING PROCESS IS FOLLOWED BY SYMPTOMS -COUGH, HIGH TEMPERATURE,DIARRHEA,LOSS OF SENSE OF TASTE AND ODOR, CLOSED NOSE, SALIVATION
When virus enters your system they immediately start to replicate, increasing your viral load and making you sicker. The first time you catch a virus antibody production takes a while, so your viral load gets to replicate unchallenged for a while.
The quicker antibodies are produced, the quicker the virus is killed off, the lower the viral load, the milder the symptoms.
Vaccines and boosters don't make you 'immune' to a virus, they make the immune response quicker and more effective so you experience milder, or no symptoms.NOPE THEY SUPPRESS YOUR IMMUNITY
We already know that covid causes long term issues for 10-30% of those infected. NOPE- WE DONT KNOW ANYTHING -ALL WE HAVE ARE INFOS FROM GLOBALIST MEDIAS It doesn't really surprise me on an intuitive level that a vaccine containing the blue print for a covid antigen might cause those same long term issues, as might a traditional antigen covid vaccine. What we do know is that considerably fewer people die from covid infection-THE MORTALITY RATE FROM THIS SO CALLED COVID ,EVEN FROM OFFICIELS IS LESS THAN FLU VICTIMS if the catch it and if they are vaccinated. That makes for a complex health gamble on a personal level.-
Allergic reactions to the non-active ingredients complicates the personal lottery even more.ITS A FORCED EXPERIMENTAL DRUG -
Let's not complicate it further with sensatonalist stories about green monkey bollux, eh? We have enough to deal with trying to understand the genuine risks IF ITS SENSATIONALISM AND NOT FREEDOM THAT I`M LOOKING FOR??? PERHAPS IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE 24/7 PRO VACCINE PROPAGANDA .
CDC Admits Crushing Rights of Naturally Immune Without Proof They Transmit the VirusThe newer vaccines contain the blue print for producing the antigen, rather than the antigen itself.
The pathogen (e.g. a virus), or antigen (e.g. weakened form of the virus) causes antibodies to be produced; the production of antibodies causes memory cells to be produced. -
The memory cells remember how to make more antibodies if exposed to a pathogen, or an antigen more than once. The immune response is faster and more effective on subsequent exposure, hence the boosters.- THATS IN THEORY,NOT IN REALITY -IN BEST CASE SCENARIO IT CREATES A VERY SHORT IMMUNITY -UNLIKE NATURAL GAINED IMMUNITY
Remember 'viral load' (the number of pesky virus you catch) is a factor in the severity of the disease. The larger the number of virus in your system, the more ill you are.OUR BODY'S ACCUMULATES TOXINS -FROM FOOD(ADITIVS ,PESTICIDES ETC ETC),AIR ( POLUTIONS,ELECTRO MAGNETIC RADIATION AND VARIOUS WAVE LENGTHS)WATER VARIOUS POLLUTANTS-STREES, INSUFFICIENT PHYSICAL ACTIVITY-SUPPLEMENTS AND SYNTETRICS -THUS OUR CELLS PRODUCE VIRUSES -THE CLEANING PROCESS IS FOLLOWED BY SYMPTOMS -COUGH, HIGH TEMPERATURE,DIARRHEA,LOSS OF SENSE OF TASTE AND ODOR, CLOSED NOSE, SALIVATION
When virus enters your system they immediately start to replicate, increasing your viral load and making you sicker. The first time you catch a virus antibody production takes a while, so your viral load gets to replicate unchallenged for a while.
The quicker antibodies are produced, the quicker the virus is killed off, the lower the viral load, the milder the symptoms.
Vaccines and boosters don't make you 'immune' to a virus, they make the immune response quicker and more effective so you experience milder, or no symptoms.NOPE THEY SUPPRESS YOUR IMMUNITY
We already know that covid causes long term issues for 10-30% of those infected. NOPE- WE DONT KNOW ANYTHING -ALL WE HAVE ARE INFOS FROM GLOBALIST MEDIAS It doesn't really surprise me on an intuitive level that a vaccine containing the blue print for a covid antigen might cause those same long term issues, as might a traditional antigen covid vaccine. What we do know is that considerably fewer people die from covid infection-THE MORTALITY RATE FROM THIS SO CALLED COVID ,EVEN FROM OFFICIELS IS LESS THAN FLU VICTIMS if the catch it and if they are vaccinated. That makes for a complex health gamble on a personal level.-
Allergic reactions to the non-active ingredients complicates the personal lottery even more.ITS A FORCED EXPERIMENTAL DRUG -
Let's not complicate it further with sensatonalist stories about green monkey bollux, eh? We have enough to deal with trying to understand the genuine risks IF ITS SENSATIONALISM AND NOT FREEDOM THAT I`M LOOKING FOR??? PERHAPS IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE 24/7 PRO VACCINE PROPAGANDA .
After formal demand, the CDC concedes it does not have proof of a single instance of a naturally immune individual spreading the virus.
You would assume that if the CDC was going to crush the civil and individual rights of those with natural immunity by having them expelled from school, fired from their jobs, separated from the military, and worse, the CDC would have proof of at least one instance of an unvaccinated, naturally immune individual transmitting the COVID-19 virus to another individual. If you thought this, you would be wrong.
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The law in this country may well favour the employer if an employee opts out to go back to the office.
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Dedovix: So Im just guessing here -we`re not dealing with a bat-soup virus but a virus created in a lab -biochemical weapon
WTF...?I have no idea how you jump from one topic, or conclusion to another without any sequential logic, Dedo.
In the post you originally questioned I was talking about the vaccines being two decades, or more in the making. The clue was in me saying 'the vaccines were two, or more decades in the making.'
You can guess all you like about where the virus (the one you think has never been isolated, so you think may not exist) originated, but this thread is about the supposition and extrapolation from a sample of 15, that 93% of those who die a couple of weeks to six months after being vaccinated have died as a direct result of the vaccine.
If you want to play Guess The Caped And Knickered Anti-Hero, please don't try and mix it in with my posts about the realistic possibilty of adverse reactions to the vaccines.
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Really the great crime against humanity has been those who made you get vaccinated claiming that not doing so would turn covid into something much worse.
That was a foolish and disgusting lie that completely contradicts the facts. The fact is that those who didn't get vaccinated have been the ones to protect humanity from covid.
That was a foolish and disgusting lie that completely contradicts the facts. The fact is that those who didn't get vaccinated have been the ones to protect humanity from covid.
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jac_the_gripper: No, the 'weakened virus of some kind' is the antigen.The antigen triggers an immune response in the body.
The newer vaccines contain the blue print for producing the antigen, rather than the antigen itself.
The pathogen (e.g. a virus), or antigen (e.g. weakened form of the virus) causes antibodies to be produced; the production of antibodies causes memory cells to be produced.
The memory cells remember how to make more antibodies if exposed to a pathogen, or an antigen more than once. The immune response is faster and more effective on subsequent exposure, hence the boosters.
Remember 'viral load' (the number of pesky virus you catch) is a factor in the severity of the disease. The larger the number of virus in your system, the more ill you are.
When virus enters your system they immediately start to replicate, increasing your viral load and making you sicker. The first time you catch a virus antibody production takes a while, so your viral load gets to replicate unchallenged for a while.
The quicker antibodies are produced, the quicker the virus is killed off, the lower the viral load, the milder the symptoms.
Vaccines and boosters don't make you 'immune' to a virus, they make the immune response quicker and more effective so you experience milder, or no symptoms.
We already know that covid causes long term issues for 10-30% of those infected. It doesn't really surprise me on an intuitive level that a vaccine containing the blue print for a covid antigen might cause those same long term issues, as might a traditional antigen covid vaccine. What we do know is that considerably fewer people die from covid infection, if the catch it and if they are vaccinated. That makes for a complex health gamble on a personal level.
Allergic reactions to the non-active ingredients complicates the personal lottery even more.
Let's not complicate it further with sensatonalist stories about green monkey bollux, eh? We have enough to deal with trying to understand the genuine risks.
I'm wondering if the people who died suddenly or shortly after had the vax accidentally injected into a vein? This is noted to have severe effects on healthy people. My #1 go to for Covid info is Dr. Mobeen Syed on YT. Currently (he broadcast live usually every night 6pm Pacific) he is discussing problems with immune systems which may affect the 10-30% Jac mentioned. He lays out the specific mechanisms of what can go wrong...and treatment. I will leave links in this series if anyone is interested. He will have another show tonight (12/30). Dr. Mobeen also answers questions live.The newer vaccines contain the blue print for producing the antigen, rather than the antigen itself.
The pathogen (e.g. a virus), or antigen (e.g. weakened form of the virus) causes antibodies to be produced; the production of antibodies causes memory cells to be produced.
The memory cells remember how to make more antibodies if exposed to a pathogen, or an antigen more than once. The immune response is faster and more effective on subsequent exposure, hence the boosters.
Remember 'viral load' (the number of pesky virus you catch) is a factor in the severity of the disease. The larger the number of virus in your system, the more ill you are.
When virus enters your system they immediately start to replicate, increasing your viral load and making you sicker. The first time you catch a virus antibody production takes a while, so your viral load gets to replicate unchallenged for a while.
The quicker antibodies are produced, the quicker the virus is killed off, the lower the viral load, the milder the symptoms.
Vaccines and boosters don't make you 'immune' to a virus, they make the immune response quicker and more effective so you experience milder, or no symptoms.
We already know that covid causes long term issues for 10-30% of those infected. It doesn't really surprise me on an intuitive level that a vaccine containing the blue print for a covid antigen might cause those same long term issues, as might a traditional antigen covid vaccine. What we do know is that considerably fewer people die from covid infection, if the catch it and if they are vaccinated. That makes for a complex health gamble on a personal level.
Allergic reactions to the non-active ingredients complicates the personal lottery even more.
Let's not complicate it further with sensatonalist stories about green monkey bollux, eh? We have enough to deal with trying to understand the genuine risks.
Happy New Year to Everyone, stay safe and healthy...however you do it!!
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I am certainly not in a panic stricken state about it, neither do I fear it personally. Learning about is key,
It’s interesting reading other people’s views. It’s tells me much about nothing and much about something.
Having contacted the original & the delta & now the omicron, I see little or no point of getting jabbed.
Don’t believe those spreading rumours that the vaccine provides immunity.
Stay safe .