For or against ( Archived) (37)

Feb 1, 2022 4:07 AM CST For or against
tomcatty
tomcattytomcattyCoral Bay, Paphos, Paphos Cyprus368 Threads 6 Polls 6,885 Posts
The New York TimesThe New York Times
COVID's New Divide: Risk Takers vs. the Risk Averse
Jason Horowitz
Mon, 31 January 2022, 7:21 pm
A vaccination center in the northern city of Brunico, Italy, on Dec. 10, 2021. (Alessandro Grassani/The New York Times)

ROME — The entire family is vaccinated, even the relatives, and all abide by masking requirements and respect Italy’s tough coronavirus restrictions. They are also all over the place in how they are living their lives.

Mariagiovanna Togna is willing to accompany her children to outdoor play dates after school. But her husband, more anxious by nature, is still wearing rubber gloves, wiping down groceries and turning away visitors. One of her sisters in Rome is more laid back and goes to yoga class and to work, and her 15-year-old daughter had a birthday party indoors. Her brother, in the northern region of Trento, who finally agreed to get vaccinated, she said, to keep going out to bars, recently vacationed along the Amalfi Coast. But when Christmas vacation rolled around, their parents, in their 70s, asked him to stay in a bed-and-breakfast.

Everyone who went home to Benevento had to take a rapid test, including another sister, who depends on their mother for babysitting. Even though the government shot down the efforts in the Campania Region, where she lives, to delay in-person school, she prefers to keep her child out of nursery school.

Sign up for The Morning newsletter from the New York Times

“We are all vaccinated, many with the third dose already; we all have a civic sense about being careful for ourselves and for others,” she said. “But we have different styles of life.”

As the omicron variant of the coronavirus personally touches or swirls around so many individuals, vaccinated and largely protected families are strained by varying comfort levels. It is much the same the world over, especially where significant portions of the population have been vaccinated, like Italy, which now has one of the highest rates in the world.

Initially slammed by the virus, Italy today holds the promise of a near future where the schism in society is no longer between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated, or the socially responsible and the scofflaws, but between the risk takers and the risk averse.

For many with booster shots, life has become a constant negotiation between those who want to resume dining in restaurants, those still reluctant to accept deliveries and those who just want to get the virus already and get their mandatory quarantines over with.

For many vaccinated families, the recent holiday season and New Year’s celebrations hammered those variations home, as teenagers stumbled in after parties to take a swab test and reunite with shut-in uncles petrified of the virus, or grandparents unsure just how protected their booster shots left them. In Italy, where generations of families often see one another, and frequently live together, navigating the vagaries of omicron decorum is a constant exercise.

“In my world, there are no no-vax,” said Giuseppe Cavallone, 73, who walked in the Villa Doria Pamphili park in Rome with his wife.

But that did not mean they lived carefree. They had given up on going to the movies, in part because of the discomfort of wearing a mask for three straight hours, and had abandoned their annual travel to Paris and London. But their son, also fully vaccinated, was less cautious, flying to Patagonia for vacation.

“The young feel much more free,” said Cavallone’s wife, Maria Teresa Pucciano, 74.

She added that they recently went to a wedding, but a friend of theirs stayed outside in the cold the whole time.
Do you hide or have the vac.
------ This thread is Archived ------
Feb 1, 2022 4:15 AM CST For or against
tomcatty: The New York TimesThe New York Times
COVID's New Divide: Risk Takers vs. the Risk Averse
Jason Horowitz
Mon, 31 January 2022, 7:21 pm
A vaccination center in the northern city of Brunico, Italy, on Dec. 10, 2021. (Alessandro Grassani/The New York Times)

ROME — The entire family is vaccinated, even the relatives, and all abide by masking requirements and respect Italy’s tough coronavirus restrictions. They are also all over the place in how they are living their lives.

Mariagiovanna Togna is willing to accompany her children to outdoor play dates after school. But her husband, more anxious by nature, is still wearing rubber gloves, wiping down groceries and turning away visitors. One of her sisters in Rome is more laid back and goes to yoga class and to work, and her 15-year-old daughter had a birthday party indoors. Her brother, in the northern region of Trento, who finally agreed to get vaccinated, she said, to keep going out to bars, recently vacationed along the Amalfi Coast. But when Christmas vacation rolled around, their parents, in their 70s, asked him to stay in a bed-and-breakfast.

Everyone who went home to Benevento had to take a rapid test, including another sister, who depends on their mother for babysitting. Even though the government shot down the efforts in the Campania Region, where she lives, to delay in-person school, she prefers to keep her child out of nursery school.

Sign up for The Morning newsletter from the New York Times

“We are all vaccinated, many with the third dose already; we all have a civic sense about being careful for ourselves and for others,” she said. “But we have different styles of life.”

As the omicron variant of the coronavirus personally touches or swirls around so many individuals, vaccinated and largely protected families are strained by varying comfort levels. It is much the same the world over, especially where significant portions of the population have been vaccinated, like Italy, which now has one of the highest rates in the world.

Initially slammed by the virus, Italy today holds the promise of a near future where the schism in society is no longer between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated, or the socially responsible and the scofflaws, but between the risk takers and the risk averse.

For many with booster shots, life has become a constant negotiation between those who want to resume dining in restaurants, those still reluctant to accept deliveries and those who just want to get the virus already and get their mandatory quarantines over with.

For many vaccinated families, the recent holiday season and New Year’s celebrations hammered those variations home, as teenagers stumbled in after parties to take a swab test and reunite with shut-in uncles petrified of the virus, or grandparents unsure just how protected their booster shots left them. In Italy, where generations of families often see one another, and frequently live together, navigating the vagaries of omicron decorum is a constant exercise.

“In my world, there are no no-vax,” said Giuseppe Cavallone, 73, who walked in the Villa Doria Pamphili park in Rome with his wife.

But that did not mean they lived carefree. They had given up on going to the movies, in part because of the discomfort of wearing a mask for three straight hours, and had abandoned their annual travel to Paris and London. But their son, also fully vaccinated, was less cautious, flying to Patagonia for vacation.

“The young feel much more free,” said Cavallone’s wife, Maria Teresa Pucciano, 74.

She added that they recently went to a wedding, but a friend of theirs stayed outside in the cold the whole time.
Do you hide or have the vac.
By Walter Duranty's New York Slimes?wow
------ This thread is Archived ------
Feb 1, 2022 4:25 AM CST For or against
tomcatty
tomcattytomcattyCoral Bay, Paphos, Paphos Cyprus368 Threads 6 Polls 6,885 Posts
Conrad73: By Walter Duranty's New York Slimes?
Smarter than the average catlaugh laugh laugh laugh
------ This thread is Archived ------
Feb 1, 2022 4:45 AM CST For or against
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
That's what risk-taking is? Jesus wept. They're grooming us into a new level of dirty coward Judas
------ This thread is Archived ------
Feb 1, 2022 4:56 AM CST For or against
tomcatty
tomcattytomcattyCoral Bay, Paphos, Paphos Cyprus368 Threads 6 Polls 6,885 Posts
ChesneyChrist: That's what risk-taking is? Jesus wept. They're grooming us into a new level of dirty coward Judas
We are being groomed for some disasterlaugh laugh
------ This thread is Archived ------
Feb 1, 2022 4:57 AM CST For or against
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
What does the daredevil do for a thrill? Eat a sandwich without washing his hands?
------ This thread is Archived ------
Feb 1, 2022 5:04 AM CST For or against
tomcatty
tomcattytomcattyCoral Bay, Paphos, Paphos Cyprus368 Threads 6 Polls 6,885 Posts
ChesneyChrist: What does the daredevil do for a thrill? Eat a sandwich without washing his hands?
No no no dirtylaugh
------ This thread is Archived ------
Feb 1, 2022 8:24 AM CST For or against
Selenite
SeleniteSeleniteMálaga, Andalusia Spain59 Threads 1 Polls 6,299 Posts
I don't hide and I don't have the vac...
Nor do most of my friends...
Some have had 'covid' some not ...
We socialise, do activities like yoga, visit one another, hug and just live...

wine
------ This thread is Archived ------
Feb 1, 2022 8:38 AM CST For or against
mikey4691
mikey4691mikey4691Knoxville, Tennessee USA8 Threads 6,868 Posts
We have to get on with it at some point, and let them know their scare tactics aren't working anymore.. Everyone ignore them, and they'll STFU.. Many of them should be in prison..
------ This thread is Archived ------
Feb 9, 2022 11:11 AM CST For or against
against

As Janet Easton on yt would say
"I identify as vaxed
Almighty gave me this body
with an amazing immune system.
My pronouns are
immuned
vaxed
boosted"
------ This thread is Archived ------
Feb 9, 2022 11:22 AM CST For or against
mikey4691: We have to get on with it at some point, and let them know their scare tactics aren't working anymore.. Everyone ignore them, and they'll STFU.. Many of them should be in prison..
Crimes against humanity.
------ This thread is Archived ------
Feb 9, 2022 11:28 AM CST For or against
Tiger_Moth
Tiger_MothTiger_MothYeovil, Somerset, England UK23 Threads 2,833 Posts
Dedovix: Protest in Switzerland with small coffins and the names of children who died as a result of vaccines. The media is silent
Sorry but I find this totally disrespectful. There are surely other ways of making a protest than using dead children.barf
------ This thread is Archived ------
Feb 9, 2022 11:33 AM CST For or against
mikey4691
mikey4691mikey4691Knoxville, Tennessee USA8 Threads 6,868 Posts
NAKEDMUDPEOPLE: against

As Janet Easton on yt would say
"I identify as vaxed
Almighty gave me this body
with an amazing immune system.
My pronouns are
immuned
vaxed
boosted"
rolling on the floor laughing
Imma do the same...
thumbs up
------ This thread is Archived ------
Feb 9, 2022 11:36 AM CST For or against
Ten_of_cupss
Ten_of_cupssTen_of_cupssShumen, Bulgaria2 Threads 1,375 Posts
I don't understand why vaccinated people are afraid of those not vaccinated...
They are protected, aren't they?
Oh, wait, they are not...
------ This thread is Archived ------
Feb 9, 2022 11:38 AM CST For or against
tomcatty
tomcattytomcattyCoral Bay, Paphos, Paphos Cyprus368 Threads 6 Polls 6,885 Posts
Tiger_Moth: Sorry but I find this totally disrespectful. There are surely other ways of making a protest than using dead children.
Yeh there are loads of dead moths aroundlaugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh
------ This thread is Archived ------
Feb 9, 2022 11:44 AM CST For or against
Ten_of_cupss
Ten_of_cupssTen_of_cupssShumen, Bulgaria2 Threads 1,375 Posts
In the beginning of Covid -19 situation, the world's medias were circulating old photos of dead bodies lined up in black bags, insisting those dead bodies were Covid victims... As in reality those dead bodies were of illegal immigrants who have died trying to reach Italy by sea at least an year before...
There's nothing disrespectful in grieving a dead one, especially when it's is a child and it is a victim of a lie...
------ This thread is Archived ------
Feb 9, 2022 11:47 AM CST For or against
Tiger_Moth: Sorry but I find this totally disrespectful. There are surely other ways of making a protest than using dead children.
Idiots post idiotic things I'm afraid.
------ This thread is Archived ------
Feb 9, 2022 11:49 AM CST For or against
Ten_of_cupss: I don't understand why vaccinated people are afraid of those not vaccinated...
They are protected, aren't they?
Oh, wait, they are not...
They are protected to some extent. They would be even more protected if the unvaccinated got vaccinated.
------ This thread is Archived ------
Feb 9, 2022 11:51 AM CST For or against
Ten_of_cupss
Ten_of_cupssTen_of_cupssShumen, Bulgaria2 Threads 1,375 Posts
Selenite: I don't hide and I don't have the vac...
Nor do most of my friends...
Some have had 'covid' some not ...
We socialise, do activities like yoga, visit one another, hug and just live...
Life goes on and this is how it should be... wine
------ This thread is Archived ------
Feb 9, 2022 11:52 AM CST For or against
Dedovix: Protest in Switzerland with small coffins and the names of children who died as a result of vaccines. The media is silent
Is it the same pic they used for aborted babies?
Dem supported both.sad flower sad flower sad flower
------ This thread is Archived ------
Post Comment - Post a comment on this Forum Thread

This Thread is Archived

This Thread is archived, so you will no longer be able to post to it. Threads get archived automatically when they are older than 3 months.

« Go back to All Threads
Message #318

Stats for this Thread

1,467 Views
36 Comments
Created: Feb 2022
Last Viewed: 13 hrs ago
Last Commented: Feb 2022

Share this Thread

We use cookies to ensure that you have the best experience possible on our website. Read Our Privacy Policy Here