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May 10, 2022 8:31 AM CST Let’s Debate
Didi7online today!
Didi7online today!Didi7Central, Chaguanas Trinidad and Tobago49 Threads 23 Polls 820 Posts
Spirituality, and Religion, generally proports a positive outlook about life (regardless of circumstances), yet I have met ‘Christians’ with a negative, and even cynical view of life. (I was even married to one of them).
Does that mean that such persons aren’t spiritual/religious? How can one be faithful AND doubtful, at the same time?

Be it resolved that one cannot claim to be Spiritual/Religious and be a pessimist at the same time!

Please state whether you are for or against and present your case in at least 2 points, as concisely as possible.
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NB. The results/conclusion will be posted after responses have ended or when this moderator deems it an appropriate time to do so.
May 10, 2022 9:34 AM CST Let’s Debate
Didi7: Spirituality, and Religion, generally proports a positive outlook about life (regardless of circumstances), yet I have met ‘Christians’ with a negative, and even cynical view of life. (I was even married to one of them).
Does that mean that such persons aren’t spiritual/religious? How can one be faithful AND doubtful, at the same time?

Be it resolved that one cannot claim to be Spiritual/Religious and be a pessimist at the same time!

Please state whether you are for or against and present your case in at least 2 points, as concisely as possible.
FOR/AGAINST –
1.
2.

NB. The results/conclusion will be posted after responses have ended or when this moderator deems it an appropriate time to do so.
Religions are man-made.

Spirituality is yet to be defined? dunno

I have known both religious and "spiritual" people in my life...and on this site - who are very negative and are not true to their beliefs.
May 10, 2022 9:52 AM CST Let’s Debate
ChesneyChristonline today!
ChesneyChristonline today!ChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK11,196 Posts
Didi7: Spirituality, and Religion, generally proports a positive outlook about life (regardless of circumstances), yet I have met ‘Christians’ with a negative, and even cynical view of life. (I was even married to one of them).
Does that mean that such persons aren’t spiritual/religious? How can one be faithful AND doubtful, at the same time?

Be it resolved that one cannot claim to be Spiritual/Religious and be a pessimist at the same time!

Please state whether you are for or against and present your case in at least 2 points, as concisely as possible.
FOR/AGAINST –
1.
2.

NB. The results/conclusion will be posted after responses have ended or when this moderator deems it an appropriate time to do so.
It's the second religiousness that arises after the moral swamp of the city. The one that's more like nationalism, a tribal identity, that says f*ck you modernity and f*ck you demonrats. It goes with the Caesars and the plebs, it goes with shit we have a plummeting birth rate rather than the sincere desire to be the father of a family. The simple joy of children. It's postmodern, it's willfully ignorant, it's not the simple life these people can read, at least technically. The moral swamp of the city has already set the tone of the times, the way of the culture, and this is the second religiousness that stands not for god but against the demonrats. There is a difference.
May 10, 2022 9:55 AM CST Let’s Debate
d4nI314: Religions are man-made.

Spirituality is yet to be defined?

I have known both religious and "spiritual" people in my life...and on this site - who are very negative and are not true to their beliefs.
The same with me thumbs up
May 10, 2022 10:10 AM CST Let’s Debate
Name_Taken_Two: The same with me
Oh, really?
I'm so glad not to be the only one, NT wink
May 10, 2022 10:12 AM CST Let’s Debate
d4nI314: Oh, really?
I'm so glad not to be the only one, NT
Most certainly, and found most the most religious to be the most hypocritical..
May 10, 2022 10:13 AM CST Let’s Debate
Name_Taken_Two: The same with me
I think that both - religious and spiritual people - are just cherry pickers.

No one follows a code of ethics to the letter.
May 10, 2022 10:14 AM CST Let’s Debate
Name_Taken_Two: Most certainly, and found most the most religious to be the most hypocritical..
I've more or less said that in my next comment.thumbs up
May 10, 2022 10:16 AM CST Let’s Debate
d4nI314: I think that both - religious and spiritual people - are just cherry pickers.

No one follows a code of ethics to the letter.
I think we all pick and choose, but who has the bestest imaginary friend..wink
May 10, 2022 10:17 AM CST Let’s Debate
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Track16online today!Track16Little Hearts Ease, Newfoundland Canada1,109 Threads 1,109 Posts
d4nI314: Religions are man-made.

Spirituality is yet to be defined?

I have known both religious and "spiritual" people in my life...and on this site - who are very negative and are not true to their beliefs.
thumbs up
May 10, 2022 10:17 AM CST Let’s Debate
ChesneyChristonline today!
ChesneyChristonline today!ChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK11,196 Posts
If nothing else the average man is about twice as old as he was under the first religiousness. Second religiousness is more like proving lockdown was a mistake now that you know a lot. It doesn't undo the damage so much as leave you angry at these lockdown supporters who proved to be so dangerous by knowing only a little. The first religiousness didn't know what the clever d*ck was, the second religiousness is an embittered reaction to the experiment with science and modernity. The counter-enlightenment is not the same thing as those who've never read.
May 10, 2022 10:35 AM CST Let’s Debate
ChesneyChristonline today!
ChesneyChristonline today!ChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK11,196 Posts
That's my best way of explaining it. First religion and second religion are the similarities and differences between a small child and an old man. The world of reason, the enlightenment, the zenith of the culture is 35 and before that was hopeful dumb joy and after that is, well, probably best not to think about because it's f*cking horrible. Think of second religiousness as an old man spent trying to recapture its youth.
May 10, 2022 10:45 AM CST Let’s Debate
Hi Track wave
May 10, 2022 10:55 AM CST Let’s Debate
d4nI314: I've more or less said that in my next comment.
thumbs up
May 10, 2022 10:57 AM CST Let’s Debate
Haha...you see, I have a pulse! laugh
May 10, 2022 11:01 AM CST Let’s Debate
d4nI314: Haha...you see, I have a pulse!
Chick peas are my favourite..laugh

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May 10, 2022 11:22 AM CST Let’s Debate
Track16online today!
Track16online today!Track16Little Hearts Ease, Newfoundland Canada1,109 Threads 1,109 Posts
d4nI314: Hi Track
wave bouquet
May 10, 2022 11:31 AM CST Let’s Debate
Decent_Love
Decent_LoveDecent_LovePrayagraj, Uttar Pradesh India55 Threads 1 Polls 430 Posts
Interesting topic Didi thumbs up

it's my favorite topic, I want to say a lot about it but i have a language problem. my English is very bad, I mostly use google-translator to write here. I waste a lot of time to translate my thoughts into English. So i will say in short:

All human beings are equal on the basis of fundamental feelings.

fundamental feelings doesn't need any language. The knowledge generated on the basis of these feelings is called Spiritual knowledge. it doesn't need any language.
But when this knowledge is explained to someone through some language and he accepts it without experiencing it himself, then he becomes religious.

After all, all religions are based on a holy book.
holy books are someone's inner experience based on fundamental feelings.
The author of these holly books had there own inner experience that is why they were all spiritual. But today those who believe in these holly books do not have any inner experience of their own, that is why they become religious.
May 10, 2022 11:40 AM CST Let’s Debate
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bodleing2online today!bodleing2Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK81 Threads 6,704 Posts
Being spiritually aware is not necessarily a passport to pleasure, in fact it can be quite the opposite. There really are times when ignorance is bliss.
May 10, 2022 12:25 PM CST Let’s Debate
Didi7: Spirituality, and Religion, generally proports a positive outlook about life (regardless of circumstances), yet I have met ‘Christians’ with a negative, and even cynical view of life. (I was even married to one of them).
Does that mean that such persons aren’t spiritual/religious? How can one be faithful AND doubtful, at the same time?
Be it resolved that one cannot claim to be Spiritual/Religious and be a pessimist at the same time!

Please state whether you are for or against and present your case in at least 2 points, as concisely as possible.
FOR/AGAINST –
1.
2.

NB. The results/conclusion will be posted after responses have ended or when this moderator deems it an appropriate time to do so.
Unfortunately christian methodology is how most religions teach god and or jesus. Punishment is at the top of their lists. This sort of attitude about god is destined to reap punishment and suffering in the people that believe it's tenants. As well, duality exists here and it's a difficult thing to bypass, so yes, faith and doubt are both possible for anyone religious or not, until one can wrap their head around nonduality and unison. However religion does not teach that. :-(

To be true, punishment is not god's message, but the message of men who use fear to control people. God's/source's message is innocence/forgiveness.


I am neither for or against religion as it is your own choice to follow and believe what you want.
I am however for truth. Religion by and large is not anywhere near truth.
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