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May 30, 2022 3:54 PM CST Thread for Autistics.
Deedee123x
Deedee123xDeedee123xLimerick, Ireland69 Threads 4,795 Posts
I would love to chat and interact with people on the autism spectrum.
I would love to know how you find this site..how you view the people here and just to chat and converse and get to know each other and your views and perspectives on the world....
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May 30, 2022 6:03 PM CST Thread for Autistics.
I have a perspective of the world but its not a good one lol.
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May 30, 2022 6:07 PM CST Thread for Autistics.
Deedee123x: I would love to chat and interact with people on the autism spectrum.
I would love to know how you find this site..how you view the people here and just to chat and converse and get to know each other and your views and perspectives on the world....
Everyone is somewhere on the autistic spectrum, even if they're at the zero traits end. grin
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May 31, 2022 2:56 AM CST Thread for Autistics.
Deedee123x
Deedee123xDeedee123xLimerick, Ireland69 Threads 4,795 Posts
Track16: I have a perspective of the world but its not a good one lol.
Sometimes I feel that way too....rumination and overthinking and overwhelming makes me see things far too disturbed than they actually are...yet I'm always doing it.
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May 31, 2022 3:00 AM CST Thread for Autistics.
Deedee123x
Deedee123xDeedee123xLimerick, Ireland69 Threads 4,795 Posts
jac_the_gripper: Everyone is somewhere on the autistic spectrum, even if they're at the zero traits end.
I definatelt believe we are all somewhere on a spectrum...I'll be honest I didn't even realise this until my nephew was diagnosed with it a few years back...I downloaded all the books I can on it and have read only a few pages....I'm not sure I'm ready to see how life can be difficult for him as Its too much for me.
But we all definately have our unique traits that are on a spectrum..
I guess I just made this thread to talk to people who are diagnosed, and are willing to talk about their perspectives as I want to be fuller informed as to how to be better for my nephew...plus its ridiculous how much I'm the one learning from him than the other way around.
I certainly have traits although not diagnosed...as our health system is weak....but there are things I do that I know are more common to neurodivergent people than "normal" and trust me I hate that word.
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May 31, 2022 6:35 AM CST Thread for Autistics.
Deedee123x: I definatelt believe we are all somewhere on a spectrum...I'll be honest I didn't even realise this until my nephew was diagnosed with it a few years back...I downloaded all the books I can on it and have read only a few pages....I'm not sure I'm ready to see how life can be difficult for him as Its too much for me.
But we all definately have our unique traits that are on a spectrum..
I guess I just made this thread to talk to people who are diagnosed, and are willing to talk about their perspectives as I want to be fuller informed as to how to be better for my nephew...plus its ridiculous how much I'm the one learning from him than the other way around.
I certainly have traits although not diagnosed...as our health system is weak....but there are things I do that I know are more common to neurodivergent people than "normal" and trust me I hate that word.
Belief has nothng to do with it, it's mathematical.

A spectrum can be drawn as a scale:

0_____25_____50_____75_____100

Everyone is 'on' the autistic spectrum, even if the are at the 0 end, i.e. they have zero autistic traits.

When we say someone is 'on' the autistic spectrum, what we really mean is that they have enough autistic traits to be higher up the scale than most people.

When a school says your child isn't dyslexic, what they really mean is your child isn't dyslexic enough for the school to get extra money. The school and other authorities lie so they can ignore your child's misery and confusion.

If your child reaches further education age without dropping out, developing mental health issues, or topping themselves because they've been labelled as mad, or bad instead of neurodivergent, then funding becomes more readily available for testing and support.

If you intend to support your nephew, it's not just about understanding how he views the world, it's about understanding how his world functions. His world may include the nonsensical games of funding, testing, lying and ignorance. If you have certain autistic traits you might find those social games frustrating and difficult to grasp. I'm pretty slow to catch on with that kind of shenanigans because you have to think illogcally and foolishly to find illogical and foolish rules.

The opposite of neurodivergent is neuroconvergent, so you could ditch the hated 'normal' word using that.
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May 31, 2022 7:18 AM CST Thread for Autistics.
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
Deedee123x: I would love to chat and interact with people on the autism spectrum.
I would love to know how you find this site..how you view the people here and just to chat and converse and get to know each other and your views and perspectives on the world....
Confusing I should expect but it depends what sort of autism you're talking about. My cousin Daniel has diagnosed in the 1980s autism where you can only talk to him about countdown and crisps. And then there's low level autism which is more about nerds doing what they want all the time from an early age, not being forced to do things they're afraid of by their dad etc, you could talk about anything with them - but remember it's a bit like Siri, what was literally said counts never what you meant never the spirit of something.
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May 31, 2022 7:34 AM CST Thread for Autistics.
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
ChesneyChrist: Confusing I should expect but it depends what sort of autism you're talking about. My cousin Daniel has diagnosed in the 1980s autism where you can only talk to him about countdown and crisps. And then there's low level autism which is more about nerds doing what they want all the time from an early age, not being forced to do things they're afraid of by their dad etc, you could talk about anything with them - but remember it's a bit like Siri, what was literally said counts never what you meant never the spirit of something.
There's Rainman autism and then there's my mummy left me alone with my tv for too long kind of autism. Comfort zone autism which isn't ancient but comes from the modern environment.
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May 31, 2022 8:15 AM CST Thread for Autistics.
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
ChesneyChrist: There's Rainman autism and then there's my mummy left me alone with my tv for too long kind of autism. Comfort zone autism which isn't ancient but comes from the modern environment.
Or if not the comfort zone then two parents doing the same job. Two parents who both work with computers is a recipe for an autistic baby. Autism rises as people become more professional and specialized and less of a general person. What they used to call the rounded person is giving out to what I think of as spike-shaped people's the only real way to stop it is by being made to do things you wouldn't choose. To prevent autism we would have to make it mandatory to be familiar with other walks of life and go against the grain of the modern world. Like a real marxist I suppose. A scientist in the morning, a waiter in the afternoon, and a fishermen by night. To have many skills and many purposes bit more like the old days where everyone was more of an everyman. More man than machinery.
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May 31, 2022 8:54 AM CST Thread for Autistics.
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
A bit more like a woman I suppose. There's a spectrum with women on the one side and machines on the other - and men fall somewhere in the middle. Even in politics you have this divide between the elite and the general person's union. The autistopians who want more technology and specialty versus the populists who want more fellow-feeling and familiarity even if it means having to clean your own toilet after work. There's one world that wants diversity across society so that the individual does the same thing constantly like the departments of a big corporation, and then another world that wants diversity in you. You do a bit of this and a bit of that even if it's outside your job description that's how life is when you're not raised in a cubicle.
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May 31, 2022 9:18 AM CST Thread for Autistics.
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
That's really what the populists are - Jack of all trades, master of none.

The progressives are something more like a caste system where the absolute enemy is an individual who can surprise you. Whatever their thing is, that's them all over. And this is male to a fault a man's world so not well-socialised.
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May 31, 2022 10:24 AM CST Thread for Autistics.
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
I'm not dead against all the autism in the world and it's not men's fault that our ancestors spent so long fixated on their prey. A billion hours in the bushes determined to make the kill has left men transfixed by the things that are really there. Man is both more likely to be autistic and atheist for this reason but woman reason is the reason society hasn't burst into a big ball of flames. There's nothing wrong with moderation
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May 31, 2022 12:55 PM CST Thread for Autistics.
Deedee123x
Deedee123xDeedee123xLimerick, Ireland69 Threads 4,795 Posts
jac_the_gripper: Belief has nothng to do with it, it's mathematical.

A spectrum can be drawn as a scale:

0_____25_____50_____75_____100

Everyone is 'on' the autistic spectrum, even if the are at the 0 end, i.e. they have zero autistic traits.

When we say someone is 'on' the autistic spectrum, what we really mean is that they have enough autistic traits to be higher up the scale than most people.

When a school says your child isn't dyslexic, what they really mean is your child isn't dyslexic enough for the school to get extra money. The school and other authorities lie so they can ignore your child's misery and confusion.

If your child reaches further education age without dropping out, developing mental health issues, or topping themselves because they've been labelled as mad, or bad instead of neurodivergent, then funding becomes more readily available for testing and support.

If you intend to support your nephew, it's not just about understanding how he views the world, it's about understanding how his world functions. His world may include the nonsensical games of funding, testing, lying and ignorance. If you have certain autistic traits you might find those social games frustrating and difficult to grasp. I'm pretty slow to catch on with that kind of shenanigans because you have to think illogcally and foolishly to find illogical and foolish rules.

The opposite of neurodivergent is neuroconvergent, so you could ditch the hated 'normal' word using that.
Learned a new word today neuroconvergent

I hope I havnt offended anybody by how I've worded this thread or gone about it.
I don't really know anything about autism or the spectrum other than what is always thrashed around when the word comes up.

One line I've heard is if you've met a child with autism the you've met ONE child with autism and that as you state its so broad ranging like anything there's no definate complete picture.

Mikey finds eye contact difficult but I'd able to do it he just doesn't do it that often...he is very sociable from very young age to the point of at his fourth birthday he went up to each individual whether child or adult who came to his house for his party to say hi and welcome.. then if he left the room for 5 mins and came back and saw someone new he would just straight away go up and say hi and welcome and chat ( his speech wasn't the best at this stage as he had just started speech therapy)...he was in a class solely for higher spectrum kids for a couple of years but found this frustrating as sadly the 3 other kids in his class were either non verbal or just more severe... the teacher felt he was ready for mainstream school....mikeys socialism is almost strange as he will always make a point of seeing someone new and saying hello and is very affectionate and loves cuddles and hugs...just not for too long....he seems to get on very well at school thankfully . But even being his aunt I know little of the behind closed doors meltdowns he can have or has had..but has had less of them now that he feels confident in communicating how he feels.
I don't even know why I'm saying all of this really to be honest but I guess just want better understanding for myself outside of reading books.
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May 31, 2022 1:02 PM CST Thread for Autistics.
Deedee123x: Sometimes I feel that way too....rumination and overthinking and overwhelming makes me see things far too disturbed than they actually are...yet I'm always doing it.
Its a autistic trait. Not much we can do other than try to be aware of it. I find the world cut throat. People step over your dead body just to have a dollar more than you. Its pretty disturbing.
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May 31, 2022 1:16 PM CST Thread for Autistics.
Deedee123x
Deedee123xDeedee123xLimerick, Ireland69 Threads 4,795 Posts
Track16: Its a autistic trait. Not much we can do other than try to be aware of it. I find the world cut throat. People step over your dead body just to have a dollar more than you. Its pretty disturbing.
I'm very much like that too Track...I wonder sometimes really how some people can sleep at night with all they do....if I was overpaid by a euro I would give it back...if I owed you a 5 pound note I wouldn't sit easy until you had it back.
Yet there are people I know who couldn't lay straight in the bed, let alone live a straight life.
I'm not a Saint my mouth gets me in trouble...but I don't sit well with idea of hurting someone else be it financially or physically or anyway...yet some do it without a second thought..
I've always thought I'd find the answer the older I get....but maybe I'm too soft for this world really.
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May 31, 2022 1:31 PM CST Thread for Autistics.
Deedee123x: I'm very much like that too Track...I wonder sometimes really how some people can sleep at night with all they do....if I was overpaid by a euro I would give it back...if I owed you a 5 pound note I wouldn't sit easy until you had it back.
Yet there are people I know who couldn't lay straight in the bed, let alone live a straight life.
I'm not a Saint my mouth gets me in trouble...but I don't sit well with idea of hurting someone else be it financially or physically or anyway...yet some do it without a second thought..
I've always thought I'd find the answer the older I get....but maybe I'm too soft for this world really.
Autism makes things interesting, doesn't it? We are a bit soft for the world truth be told, which is why we need to change it. The 1% got everyone convinced that its ok for things to be the way they are because it benefits the 1%.
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May 31, 2022 4:53 PM CST Thread for Autistics.
Miss_Cellaneous
Miss_CellaneousMiss_CellaneousWyre, Lancashire, England UK1 Threads 2,444 Posts
jac_the_gripper: Belief has nothng to do with it, it's mathematical.

A spectrum can be drawn as a scale:

0_____25_____50_____75_____100

Everyone is 'on' the autistic spectrum, even if the are at the 0 end, i.e. they have zero autistic traits.

When we say someone is 'on' the autistic spectrum, what we really mean is that they have enough autistic traits to be higher up the scale than most people.

When a school says your child isn't dyslexic, what they really mean is your child isn't dyslexic enough for the school to get extra money. The school and other authorities lie so they can ignore your child's misery and confusion.

If your child reaches further education age without dropping out, developing mental health issues, or topping themselves because they've been labelled as mad, or bad instead of neurodivergent, then funding becomes more readily available for testing and support.

If you intend to support your nephew, it's not just about understanding how he views the world, it's about understanding how his world functions. His world may include the nonsensical games of funding, testing, lying and ignorance. If you have certain autistic traits you might find those social games frustrating and difficult to grasp. I'm pretty slow to catch on with that kind of shenanigans because you have to think illogcally and foolishly to find illogical and foolish rules.

The opposite of neurodivergent is neuroconvergent, so you could ditch the hated 'normal' word using that.
I think that I've mentioned my granddaughter being Autistic. It was a few teachers in her Primary School when she was nearly 5 that 1st noticed it. My daughter just couldn't accept it at 1st. Luckily, the Primary School catered for just 1 class for autistic children but there were only 7 or 8 of them in the class. My daughter then moved away and my granddaughter was then placed in an all autistic school with different classes regarding their ages. I understand re the spectrums but my daughter really struggles as Summer goes from wanting to go out in the car, get out and have a walk just with her Mum "my daughter" to just wanting to go out in the car for a ride and not wanting to get out of the car. Summer can't stand the radio being on in the car, she just wants to listen to her own music with her earphones on. She just wants to stay in her bedroom all the time other than going for a ride in the car. Summer can make a cup of tea and a sandwich but if she tries to make some toast and the smoke alarm goes off, she just stands there with her fingers in her ears. She still has the 3 colours "Green, Yellow and Red" on wooden sticks which she can hold up in the classroom when she is feeling agitated. The doctors have put her on medication as she couldn't decipher night from day. She has her medication at 9pm and has her phone taken off her then. She had broken 3 beds with her rocking so now got a reinforced bed. Summer will be 16 in July and hopefully will be able to spend another year at her school. Autistic people are very clever. Summer knew more about The Beatles than I didteddybear but I do worry about her future.....
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May 31, 2022 8:35 PM CST Thread for Autistics.
Miss_Cellaneous
Miss_CellaneousMiss_CellaneousWyre, Lancashire, England UK1 Threads 2,444 Posts
blathin: Crikey Miss C, your last two posts...I can't even begin to imagine how hard that must be for you (and your family)...
I'm old school Blathin. Lived a lot and learned a lot but still willing to learn about our times now. I could write a book about my life, living in the "old days" my grandson even asked me if I remembered the Dinosaurs rolling on the floor laughing I don't regret anything re my life only that I wish that we could have had the knowledge way back then that we have now. All us elderly people haven't got "One Foot in the Grave" I've experienced living in Spain for 15 years, experienced living in America over the years plus living with my late sister in Airdrie in Scotland from being a bit of a kid. All these memories I I will hold forever and I feel blessed that I've had the chance to do so................
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May 31, 2022 8:52 PM CST Thread for Autistics.
blathin
blathinblathinGlasgow, Central, Scotland UK3,125 Posts
Miss_Cellaneous: I'm old school Blathin. Lived a lot and learned a lot but still willing to learn about our times now. I could write a book about my life, living in the "old days" my grandson even asked me if I remembered the Dinosaurs I don't regret anything re my life only that I wish that we could have had the knowledge way back then that we have now. All us elderly people haven't got "One Foot in the Grave" I've experienced living in Spain for 15 years, experienced living in America over the years plus living with my late sister in Airdrie in Scotland from being a bit of a kid. All these memories I I will hold forever and I feel blessed that I've had the chance to do so................
Nope, can't see it in there anywhere.....mustn't be in the lexicon....doh
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