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Jun 24, 2022 7:27 PM CST Former Tesla Worker Rejects $15 Million Payout In Racial Abuse Suit. If it was you...
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Would you have refused the money, even though it was way less than what you sued for? If not, why not?
Jun 24, 2022 7:49 PM CST Former Tesla Worker Rejects $15 Million Payout In Racial Abuse Suit. If it was you...
Fifteen million U$ dollars could forgive a lot of sins imho. laugh I could live good on that for a number of years ... so yes
Jun 24, 2022 8:06 PM CST Former Tesla Worker Rejects $15 Million Payout In Racial Abuse Suit. If it was you...
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galrads: Fifteen million U$ dollars could forgive a lot of sins imho. I could live good on that for a number of years ... so yes
wave Gal. Me too, but the guy sued for about 10x that...
Jun 25, 2022 1:38 AM CST Former Tesla Worker Rejects $15 Million Payout In Racial Abuse Suit. If it was you...
Didi7: Would you have refused the money, even though it was way less than what you sued for? If not, why not?
Suing for ten times the amount will have more than one reason.

It might be rationalised as loss of earnings, costs, distress, etc., but from a wider perspective it's symbolic - larger and larger awards make it financially unviable for wealthy white owned companies to use and abuse Black workers like they're still property.

I wouldn't accept that bone Elon Musk threw me off his plate, either. laugh

Expect more of this. It's a tactic to force common decency and equality under the law where it is still not freely given. The motive for exploiting and abusing minority groups has always been obscene greed, so the solution is to hit the employers where it hurts.

This isn't just about this one Black worker, it's about the whole Black community in the United States. It's goes way beyond racial slurs, or being bypassed for promotion. It's a suit which will contribute to protecting Black communities from institutional and environmental racism.
Jun 25, 2022 7:23 AM CST Former Tesla Worker Rejects $15 Million Payout In Racial Abuse Suit. If it was you...
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I'd like to think I'd reject it and ask for the $1500 I deserve but I'm not Spartacus infact I'm sure I would become victim of my own greed like the capitalists themselves. But not to the tune of $150 million that's far too much to reward somebody who contributes almost nothing.
Jun 25, 2022 7:51 AM CST Former Tesla Worker Rejects $15 Million Payout In Racial Abuse Suit. If it was you...
What kind of "racial abuse" cost this much?
Let alone ten times more...
Just wondering hmmm
Jun 25, 2022 7:55 AM CST Former Tesla Worker Rejects $15 Million Payout In Racial Abuse Suit. If it was you...
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You never really get socialism what you actually get from the left is a capitalism of the least amongst us where we'd be left with not only pure greed but shit cars, too.
Jun 25, 2022 8:17 AM CST Former Tesla Worker Rejects $15 Million Payout In Racial Abuse Suit. If it was you...
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Or I'd go the other way and go after the £150 million and give it all away to charity before declaring myself legally bankrupt. Is it possible to shaft a lawyer? I suspect that it's not but if there's any chance of shafting a lawyer this would be my main focus of attention.
Jun 25, 2022 8:25 AM CST Former Tesla Worker Rejects $15 Million Payout In Racial Abuse Suit. If it was you...
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jac_the_gripper: Suing for ten times the amount will have more than one reason.

It might be rationalised as loss of earnings, costs, distress, etc., but from a wider perspective it's symbolic - larger and larger awards make it financially unviable for wealthy white owned companies to use and abuse Black workers like they're still property.

I wouldn't accept that bone Elon Musk threw me off his plate, either.

Expect more of this. It's a tactic to force common decency and equality under the law where it is still not freely given. The motive for exploiting and abusing minority groups has always been obscene greed, so the solution is to hit the employers where it hurts.

This isn't just about this one Black worker, it's about the whole Black community in the United States. It's goes way beyond racial slurs, or being bypassed for promotion. It's a suit which will contribute to protecting Black communities from institutional and environmental racism.
wave jac...
I too. have similar thoughts on the matter...
Jun 25, 2022 8:29 AM CST Former Tesla Worker Rejects $15 Million Payout In Racial Abuse Suit. If it was you...
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Or I'd go the other way and go after the £150 million and give it all away to charity..."

CC, only this part sounds like a good idea (to me), except I wouldn't give ALL of it to charity. 90% seems good though...grin
Jun 25, 2022 9:20 AM CST Former Tesla Worker Rejects $15 Million Payout In Racial Abuse Suit. If it was you...
most likely, the ex worker could end up walking away with about 10% of that.

a corporation can hold things up in court for years. could end up with much less.

worse, what if it wasn't anything of the sort made by the claim but they were willing to just throw money at it so as not to allow it to become bothersome?

being it's california, if they have an actual case, i still don't see 10 x that amount. but it could end up higher for sure.
Jun 25, 2022 9:31 AM CST Former Tesla Worker Rejects $15 Million Payout In Racial Abuse Suit. If it was you...
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Draegoneer: most likely, the ex worker could end up walking away with about 10% of that.

a corporation can hold things up in court for years. could end up with much less.

worse, what if it wasn't anything of the sort made by the claim but they were willing to just throw money at it so as not to allow it to become bothersome?

being it's california, if they have an actual case, i still don't see 10 x that amount. but it could end up higher for sure.
hmmm Perhaps so....
Jun 25, 2022 9:37 AM CST Former Tesla Worker Rejects $15 Million Payout In Racial Abuse Suit. If it was you...
employers do keep records of their employees. attendance, performance, training, levels of such per company requirements and policies, etc.

depending on the worker, they might gave been better off with the first offer.

i would have just taken the offer and retired carefully.
Jun 25, 2022 11:31 AM CST Former Tesla Worker Rejects $15 Million Payout In Racial Abuse Suit. If it was you...
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Draegoneer: employers do keep records of their employees. attendance, performance, training, levels of such per company requirements and policies, etc.

depending on the worker, they might gave been better off with the first offer.

i would have just taken the offer and retired carefully.
Okay, then...wine
Jun 25, 2022 11:35 AM CST Former Tesla Worker Rejects $15 Million Payout In Racial Abuse Suit. If it was you...
Draegoneer: employers do keep records of their employees. attendance, performance, training, levels of such per company requirements and policies, etc.

depending on the worker, they might gave been better off with the first offer.

i would have just taken the offer and retired carefully.
Of course, having failed to minimise the impact of racial oppression, victim blaming would be the next logical step in Tesla's strategy to avoid multiple, retrospective and expensive claims set by this precedent.

Tesla doesn't have to worry about any future claims as they now require all contractors (working at the plant in question) to agree to have disputes settled by arbitration rather than in court.

The fact that the complainant didn't just take the offer and retire carefully, suggests the amount of compensation is about something bigger than retiring carefully.
Jun 25, 2022 12:08 PM CST Former Tesla Worker Rejects $15 Million Payout In Racial Abuse Suit. If it was you...
Can you tell us what this case is about Jac?
What happened? Is it a group suit or is it only one employee involved.

Ten times less than 15 million dollars sounds about suitable to me.
No worker is worth more than 1.5 mill as they walk out the door.
Jun 25, 2022 3:53 PM CST Former Tesla Worker Rejects $15 Million Payout In Racial Abuse Suit. If it was you...
Grandsiozzie: Can you tell us what this case is about Jac?
What happened? Is it a group suit or is it only one employee involved.

Ten times less than 15 million dollars sounds about suitable to me.
No worker is worth more than 1.5 mill as they walk out the door.
I only know what I've read, but I can give you a precis as I see it.

The complainant alleges that whilst working in a Tesla factory 2015-16, he was subject to racial slurs, racial segregation, a racially demeaning caricature graffitied on the bathroom wall and, along with all the other black workers, given the least favourable tasks. The culture of the workplace was described as racially hostile.

Tesla have argued that the complainant was an agency worker, so as he wasn't directly employed, or paid by Tesla, therefore, it had nothing to do with them.

They also claimed that racial slurs, including the N-word were used in a friendly way, the racially hostile culture wasn't very distressing, they sacked a few people including the bathroom griffiti artist and they're much better now so none of it counts.

The thing is, there are other complainants awaitng their turn, including a woman who has described the culture of s*xual harassment and assault (groping) as late as October 2021 when the current case was first ruled in favour of the complainant.

Tesla doesn't want to cough up more than $300K for this case, knowng there are other complainants and the compensation is likely to increase with each trial. Tesla wants a retrial on this current case and as I said earlier, they've changed their employee contracts to stop new employees taking them to court for racial and s*xual abuse in the future.

The jury awarded the complainant a total of approximately $139M damages, but the judge knocked it down to $15M, despite rejecting Tesla's obnoxious defence.

The legal team for the complainant will want a financial award that will leave Tesla smarting and will set a precedent for the other cases. It's a civil/human rights tactic which has the goal of making it too expensive for companies to racially discriminate.

The same tactic was used recently in Minnesotta where lots of children had lead poisoning. The common source was found to be Black men employed in a dusty chemical plant at little more than minimum wage and with no PPE. The men were taking the dust home on their clothes, oblivious to the fact that they were poisoning their own children.

It should be noted that African American children are at far higher risk of lead poisoning than any other demographic in the US due to various racially discriminatory practises.

This is a really powerful law suit against Tesla that could have far reaching consequences. In terms of challenging the racial inequality staus quo, it's going for the jugular.
Jun 25, 2022 4:18 PM CST Former Tesla Worker Rejects $15 Million Payout In Racial Abuse Suit. If it was you...
jac_the_gripper: I only know what I've read, but I can give you a precis as I see it.
Ok, thanks for your time Taken Jac.
I think in general the lawsuits these days are "larger than life",
but you know me, I'm old fashioned and wish it was still 1986.

Cheers and thanks again.
cheers
Jun 25, 2022 5:16 PM CST Former Tesla Worker Rejects $15 Million Payout In Racial Abuse Suit. If it was you...
Grandsiozzie: Ok, thanks for your time Taken Jac.
I think in general the lawsuits these days are "larger than life",
but you know me, I'm old fashioned and wish it was still 1986.

Cheers and thanks again.
As a Brit, I've been rather impatient with litigation culture in the past, but maybe it's taken the human rights movement in the US for me to understand it more fully.

Dismissing this case as larger than life, or as one of complainant greed is not only a poor defence, but one which is a part of racial oppression. It's purpse is to shame the complainant into compliance, rather than try and argue a case that can't be argued.

Tesla declared a $3.3 billion profit in the first quarter of this year alone, but they can't afford stable contracts, or ensure minimally acceptable conditions for their Black/women workers? It's the complainant who is larger than life and greedy? laugh

The damages sought aren't larger than life, they're larger than the cost of being a half-way decent employer.
Jun 25, 2022 5:24 PM CST Former Tesla Worker Rejects $15 Million Payout In Racial Abuse Suit. If it was you...
jac_the_gripper:
It's the complainant who is larger than life and greedy?
Correct, when turning down 15mill; very greedy.

BUT I think it's greedy lawyers behind as well.

Cheers
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