law of KARMA (48)
bodleing2Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK84 Threads 6,132 Postsrohaan: I hear you, and a huge part of me would tend to think the way you do. However, I have seen Karma do her thing just way too many times. There's something to it. Coincidence means it happens, but not usually. Best to be open minded about it, IMHO.
Karma is a sanskrit word meaning action. The law of karma is a universal truth, such a little word gives no clue to the real truth hidden within, no matter how many 'twee' sayings people attach to it.------ This thread is Archived ------
bodleing2: Karma is a sanskrit word meaning action. The law of karma is a universal truth, such a little word gives no clue to the real truth hidden within, no matter how many 'twee' sayings people attach to it.
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rohaan: Enlighten us.
How can I enlighten you. It's a long journey, you can't get from a to z without going through the whole alphabet, no short cuts on the road to enlightenment.But I will say this....unless you firmly believe that this life is one of countless others and that we take with us into the next life our karmic account, you are misusing the word karma in relationship to the law of karma.
The law of karma says we will suffer the cycle of samsara life after life until we purify our karma and attain enlightenment. Only then will our suffering end.
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bodleing2: How can I enlighten you. It's a long journey, you can't get from a to z without going through the whole alphabet, no short cuts on the road to enlightenment.
But I will say this....unless you firmly believe that this life is one of countless others and that we take with us into the next life our karmic account, you are misusing the word karma in relationship to the law of karma.
The law of karma says we will suffer the cycle of samsara life after life until we purify our karma and attain enlightenment. Only then will our suffering end.
In the east karma is about the afterlife like traditional Christianity is here. In the grand scheme of things all will be made right. Karma in the west is modern you'll get what you give in this life not the next. Karma in the west is largely the most privileged people ever to have lived applauding themselves for being lucky. But I will say this....unless you firmly believe that this life is one of countless others and that we take with us into the next life our karmic account, you are misusing the word karma in relationship to the law of karma.
The law of karma says we will suffer the cycle of samsara life after life until we purify our karma and attain enlightenment. Only then will our suffering end.
But the truth is actually a combination. The good fortune did come from a past life i.e. all the cosmic money energy flowing towards you after your parents died, but we didn't earn it didn't build that nest egg just ate it like a mad chicken. We didn't earn our own inheritance although inheritance set the tone of the way things were in the west.
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ChesneyChrist: In the east karma is about the afterlife like traditional Christianity is here. In the grand scheme of things all will be made right. Karma in the west is modern you'll get what you give in this life not the next. Karma in the west is largely the most privileged people ever to have lived applauding themselves for being lucky.
But the truth is actually a combination. The good fortune did come from a past life i.e. all the cosmic money energy flowing towards you after your parents died, but we didn't earn it didn't build that nest egg just ate it like a mad chicken. We didn't earn our own inheritance although inheritance set the tone of the way things were in the west.
A very Western way of explaining karma, but still not the law of karma in a spiritual way. But the truth is actually a combination. The good fortune did come from a past life i.e. all the cosmic money energy flowing towards you after your parents died, but we didn't earn it didn't build that nest egg just ate it like a mad chicken. We didn't earn our own inheritance although inheritance set the tone of the way things were in the west.
Best to stick to what goes around comes around, it fits with our ways of thinking.
As for inherited wealth from our parents, that's just a result of our society's rules and laws, how we inherited our parents might be another matter.
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What happened in the west around the time of the enlightenment was the idea that the law could actually be truth and justice. An idea that won't actually be catching on. The law in the past and I dare say now and in the future is to kill 1 in the interests or the apparent interests of the 99. To create order and protect those in power regardless of innocence or guilt. The concept of the afterlife is that only in death will someone receive a fair trial with an honest judge.
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ChesneyChrist: What happened in the west around the time of the enlightenment was the idea that the law could actually be truth and justice. An idea that won't actually be catching on. The law in the past and I dare say now and in the future is to kill 1 in the interests or the apparent interests of the 99. To create order and protect those in power regardless of innocence or guilt. The concept of the afterlife is that only in death will someone receive a fair trial with an honest judge.
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And give unto Caesar reflects this. It's saying don't revolt but it's also saying them obey like they were a tax inspector. These are not people you like or look up to, it's not that these are good people in any way it's that the cops and soldiers already murdered Jesus so they need not murder you so long as you pay lip service to these devils.
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And that's the tragic thing how many a good Christian in the modern world found themselves victims of communism. Because it's the idea of heaven on earth a utopian society where actual justice takes place. And this could be the greatest injustice of them all because what if you're wrong? Life's not fair and that is a sympathetic message to those abused by the powerful, it is not a call to arms as the communists believe.
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I think Karma is not about Life and Death or Life after Death but about Immortality per se.
So here is my favourite quote in the matter of Karma:
" The law is simple. Every experience is repeated or suffered till you experience it properly and fully the first time" - Ben Okri (Astonishing the Gods)
So here is my favourite quote in the matter of Karma:
" The law is simple. Every experience is repeated or suffered till you experience it properly and fully the first time" - Ben Okri (Astonishing the Gods)
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Christianity comes to save the earth from hell not so much turn it into a heaven. We now live in a satanic society where all things happen by design, nothing happens by accident, and therefore nobody can be forgiven because they know exactly what they do. It's nonsense because life has a will of its own and results transpire to be very much different from their intention. If there's a universal spirit to religion it precisely is this judging by intentions and acknowledging that the lord works in mysterious ways. The devil dines when we think we've got it all worked out and nothing can happen by chance.
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bodleing2: How can I enlighten you. It's a long journey, you can't get from a to z without going through the whole alphabet, no short cuts on the road to enlightenment.
But I will say this....unless you firmly believe that this life is one of countless others and that we take with us into the next life our karmic account, you are misusing the word karma in relationship to the law of karma.
The law of karma says we will suffer the cycle of samsara life after life until we purify our karma and attain enlightenment. Only then will our suffering end.
All right already. So, it seems you are focusing on the usage of the word "karma". As in, many folks in the United States will say things like, "Karma's going to get you", or "good Karma, bad Karma, it all comes back..." and that vernacular. It did appear to me, and others, that you were discounting the action of Karma, as in it being mythical/unsubstantiable, etc..but then you say "...we take with us into our next life our karmic account" would indicate that you DO believe it....which is confusing, because you appear to be dismissive of it. It's difficult to tell what you are trying to convey. Life's too short, buddy...But I will say this....unless you firmly believe that this life is one of countless others and that we take with us into the next life our karmic account, you are misusing the word karma in relationship to the law of karma.
The law of karma says we will suffer the cycle of samsara life after life until we purify our karma and attain enlightenment. Only then will our suffering end.
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gh_o_st: I think Karma is not about Life and Death or Life after Death but about Immortality per se.
So here is my favourite quote in the matter of Karma:
" The law is simple. Every experience is repeated or suffered till you experience it properly and fully the first time" - Ben Okri (Astonishing the Gods)
YES! Simplify. Simplify.So here is my favourite quote in the matter of Karma:
" The law is simple. Every experience is repeated or suffered till you experience it properly and fully the first time" - Ben Okri (Astonishing the Gods)
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rohaan: popular bumper stickers for years (in U.S.A.)
MY KARMA RAN OVER YOUR DOGMA
IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN KARMA YOU HAD BETTER BE RIGHT
MY KARMA RAN OVER YOUR DOGMA
IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN KARMA YOU HAD BETTER BE RIGHT
Sounds like a good excuse to play Radiohead
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pedro27: Similar to ''You reap what you sow''
Sorry Peter but that's not always the case. When you have kids it totally changes things. You can reap all you want but it doesn't always make it sow ..........------ This thread is Archived ------
Decent_Love: What you give to others, one day it returns to you with interest.
How much truth is there in this statement?
None, it may give you a sense of peace and momentary happiness to help others but to do it to expect a return makes a mockery of the kind act in the first place.How much truth is there in this statement?
Give and give and give , you can still have bad things happen you, if once in a while you get what you want then that's a just a nice happenstance, not much to do with Karma.
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if you have doubt !! and you seriously want to understand meaning of the word Karma then qualified source be best course:
Fundamentally, what is karma? Karma is your body, speech, and mind. That’s it. It’s very simple. If I were to try to compare the subject of karma to the kinds of things you study in the West, I’d say that it parallels in some ways the theory of the evolution of everything that exists. Karma encompasses everything on Earth and beyond, every existent phenomenon in the universe, throughout infinite space—in Buddhist terms, every phenomenon in samsara and nirvana. Karma is the energy of all phenomena and has nothing to do with what your mind believes.
Fundamentally, what is karma? Karma is your body, speech, and mind. That’s it. It’s very simple. If I were to try to compare the subject of karma to the kinds of things you study in the West, I’d say that it parallels in some ways the theory of the evolution of everything that exists. Karma encompasses everything on Earth and beyond, every existent phenomenon in the universe, throughout infinite space—in Buddhist terms, every phenomenon in samsara and nirvana. Karma is the energy of all phenomena and has nothing to do with what your mind believes.
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