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Nov 19, 2022 12:50 PM CST Blackouts by 2050
Orzzz
OrzzzOrzzzPortage, Wisconsin USA106 Threads 8 Polls 803 Posts
I wish our fearless leaders lived in the real world. No fossil fuels! Totally green! All electric!
Yeah, that works. Go plug your EV car in somewhere in the Ukraine. For entertainment, watch videos of the fire departments using double or triple the water attempting to put out that battery fire EV. And then have them re-torch. Again and again. Even days or week later!wow doh
See the children deep in the earth, digging out rare earth minerals and mining lithium for those batteries. How long before landfills get filled with discarded batteries.
Half of our electricity is made by fossil fuels. Wind and solar work intermittently. And people suffer from NIMBY...dont ruin the view!scold No new high lines over our land!
I have an idea to conserve electricity. TURN THE DAMN LIGHTS OFF!very mad doh Look at views of our cities in the night. Skyscrapers lite up like the Fourth of July. What happened to the old days when they were mostly dark except for a foyer and that red blinking light on the roof to alert planes? You mean to tell me that that many people work third shift? Or even late. And if late, why is every floor lit up?confused
A cleaning crew? So they cant light up the rooms they are in? Or even the floor they are on? And then TURN THE LIGHTS OFF?
People in the city bemoan the fact they never can see the stars. Go to the suburbs or towns and drive around in 1am. Most houses are dark. Maybe a light on in one room. And they are living in that house. As in occupied. What is the reason for office buildings, skyscrapers of offices and all the rest to be lit up? Poor countries do OK in the dark. Developed seem to be terrified of the dark. WE have no tigers lurking!
Now we are to pay the countries that have over populated sub marginal lands. Suggestion...dont build in a coulee, side of an eroding cliff or at sea level and then whine when nature does what nature does. scold
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Nov 19, 2022 1:30 PM CST Blackouts by 2050
Let's say one go for wind and solar. Let's assume one has built out so much that the turbins and solar panels is just about everywhere. Right. And very little hydra and certainly no atom, gas or coal god forbid!
Alright.
Then comes winter and say no wind or sun for a week straight.
How is a city like London in minus degrees gonna heat?
You will never have enought battery capacity to store from the week before
if that one happened to be windy and sunny. Never can you store all that.

U just have to have coal or gas or the best one in my view: nuclear.
Just can't get around it!
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Nov 19, 2022 1:34 PM CST Blackouts by 2050
Orzzz
OrzzzOrzzzPortage, Wisconsin USA106 Threads 8 Polls 803 Posts
Good old fall back..wood! lol. They keep talking EV, etc, need better batteries. OK. How?
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Nov 20, 2022 6:18 AM CST Blackouts by 2050
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
We'll need to burn some gas until hydrogen and/or better batteries come along. Nuclear is good but you can't turn it up and down to complement renewables.

What makes sense is for no country to be fossil free until all countries are fossil-lite. The law of diminishing returns says that renewables are increasingly a ball ache, a little bit of fossil fuel goes a long way. One country fossil free is as expensive as multiple countries fossil lite therefore the environment will be much better off if we all do a bit. For some to do a lot is self-defeating.
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