does anybody know anything about english history ! (14)

Jun 9, 2007 2:58 AM CST does anybody know anything about english history !
gillyloves69
gillyloves69gillyloves69london, Greater London, England UK1,533 Threads 7 Polls 7,359 Posts
what was the renaisance period really all about ? and why was britain always at war with france and spain ? how did church and state become intertwined ? what was the magna carta all about ? how come you use to be able to buy a seat in parliment ? what was the boston tea party all about ? and who was thomas o beckett ?professor
Jun 10, 2007 7:10 AM CST does anybody know anything about english history !
prettybetty
prettybettyprettybettyLondon, UK2 Threads 190 Posts
i know a little about english history, but wasnt the boston tea party in .............um........boston?tongue
Jun 10, 2007 7:44 AM CST does anybody know anything about english history !
chriss
chrisschrissst.helens, Merseyside, England UK79 Threads 15 Polls 4,472 Posts
hello pretty betty welcome to the forums, nice to meet youhandshake
Jun 10, 2007 7:58 AM CST does anybody know anything about english history !
prettybetty
prettybettyprettybettyLondon, UK2 Threads 190 Posts
Thanks chris! Nice to be welcomed!
Jun 10, 2007 10:07 AM CST does anybody know anything about english history !
chriss
chrisschrissst.helens, Merseyside, England UK79 Threads 15 Polls 4,472 Posts
anytime hunnybunny:)
Jun 28, 2007 12:51 PM CST does anybody know anything about english history !
gillyloves69
gillyloves69gillyloves69london, Greater London, England UK1,533 Threads 7 Polls 7,359 Posts
i wonder what it was like to be an ordinary working class englishman in those days before the magna cartna ?dunno
Jun 29, 2007 9:49 AM CST does anybody know anything about english history !
Sealander06
Sealander06Sealander06Lost in Pergatory, England UK48 Posts
Wake up Gilly laugh the least you can do is LOOK like you are paying attention ......


I'm off my soap box now .... thank you wave
Jun 30, 2007 12:30 AM CST does anybody know anything about english history !
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
Thanks, she was one fiesty ancestor hey!!! I read the novel not long back but shes been one of my favourites since i was a kid. Come to think about it, its probably why im so arsey about religion hahaha

The historians decided to change the pronunciation of her name late 20thC. Boadacea became Boudicca - not sure what they found but it mustve been significant - will look later.

Theres another hereo of mine called Hereward The Wake - his was a slightly similar story - will look for a condensed version.

Im glad you enjoyed it. wave
Jun 30, 2007 2:12 AM CST does anybody know anything about english history !
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
HEREWARD THE WAKE

Hereward was the son of Leofric, the Earl of Mercia and his mother was Lady Godiva. He was the uncle of Edwin and Morcar who were the last surviving members of the English royal house and he was born at Bourne in Lincolnshire where the Domesday Book confirms that he held lands there and also in Warwickshire and Worcestershire.

Earl Leofric was very harsh and the people of Coventry suffered greatly because of him. His wife, Lady Godiva was very different, she was a gentle, pious, loving woman who had already won an almost saintly reputation for sympathy and pity by her sacrifice to save her husbands oppressed citizens at Coventry, where her pleading won relief for them from the harsh earl on the pitiless condition of her never-forgotten ride. Happily her gentle self-suppression awoke a nobler spirit in her husband and enabled him to play a worthier part in England’s history.

Lady Godiva wanted Hereward to become a monk, but Hereward would have none of it and refused to study. He was a wild wayward lad, with long golden curls, eyes of different colours, one grey, and one blue. He had great breadth and strength of limb, and a wild and ungovernable temper, which made him difficult to control. He spent his time wrestling, boxing, fighting, and all manly exercises. Despairing of making an ecclesiastic of him, his mother set herself to inspire him with a noble ideal of Knighthood. When he reached the age of sixteen or seventeen he became the terror of the Fen Country, and at his fathers Hall of Bourne he gathered a band of youths as wild and reckless as himself, who accepted him as their leader and obeyed him implicitly, however outrageous were his commands.
In all of Hereward’s lawless deeds, however there was no meanness or crafty malice. He took his punishment when it came with equable cheerfulness. He robbed merchants with a high hand, but made reparation liberally counting himself well satisfied with the fun of a fight or the skill of a clever trick. His band of youths met and fought other bands, but they bore no malice when the struggle was over. The only flaw Hereward had in his character was he would not admit anyone was stronger than he, or more handsome, but credit due, he had both attributes in abundance.

Hereward’s father could do nothing to control his son, so Leofric begged an audience with the king (Edward the Confessor), and formally asked for a writ of outlawry against his own son. This done Hereward rode away, followed into exile by Martin Lightfoot, who left Leofric’s service for that of his outlawed son. Though the king’s writ of outlawry might run in Mercia, it did not carry more than nominal weight in Northumbria, where Earl Siward (note the connection for Siward was the father of Waltheof) ruled almost as an independent lord. In Northumbria lived his godfather Gilbert of Ghent, and his castle was known as an excellent training school for young aspirants to the knighthood. Sailing from Dover, Hereward landed at Whitby (this is near Robin Hood's Bay) and made his way to Gilbert’s castle, where he was well received, since the cunning Fleming knew that an outlawry could be reversed at any time, and Leofric’s son might yet come to rule England. (This was before the Norman invasion.) He soon showed himself to be a brave warrior, an unequalled wrestler, and a wary fighter, who outdid them in all manly sports. Gilbet kept in his castle a large white Polar bear which was feared by all for its enormous strength, it was called the Fairy Bear, but it was no fairy. They said it bore some kinship to Earl Siward who had a bear on his crest and he was reputed to be as fierce as one. The bear was kept in a cage and for added security one leg was chained, but this particular day when Hereward was returning with Martin from his morning ride they heard a commotion. Inside the courtyard stood the escaped bear with the broken chain dangling, and with no way of
Jun 30, 2007 2:14 AM CST does anybody know anything about english history !
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
In this disguise Hereward got into William’s camp and overheard his plans. When William ordered his men to attack Ely the third time Hereward’s men hidden in the reeds set fire to the vegetation and the wind did the rest. The flames rapidly engulfed the Normans and those who tried to escape were either drowned in the marsh or picked off by English arrows. Then some treacherous monks of Ely, growing weary of the privations they had to suffer, went in secret to the king and offered to show him a way across the Fens. William agreed and a band of Normans was led across the Fens. Hereward and his men were surprised and a thousand of them were killed and their camp captured. Hereward and five of his comrades fought on and crossed the marshes at a place where the enemy did not dare follow. Thus they escaped into Lincolnshire and were hidden by some Saxon fisherman. Still the disaffected English rallied to Hereward and he made constant raids upon the Normans greatly harassing them, killing many, putting the rest to flight and seizing their horses. Then one day he took prisoner his old enemy Ivo Taillebois and promised to give him his liberty on condition that he went to William carrying proposals of peace. The king was only too glad, for he had come to respect Hereward and preferred to have the brave English leader as a friend rather than as a foe. Hereward went to Winchester where he swore allegiance to William and gained the king’s favour who restored his lands. This is confirmed by the Domesday book. One night however he was set upon by a band of envious Normans and although he managed to kill fifteen of them with his famous sword Brainbiter he was stabed in the back and fell dying, a hero to the end.

The author of the Gesta, writing no more than fifty years after William’s assault on Ely, tells us that he remembers seeing fishermen dredging Norman skeletons, still in their rusty armour, out of the fen. Songs were being sung about Hereward in taverns a hundred years after his death; and in the thirteenth century people still visited a ruined wooden castle in the Fens which was known as Hereward’s Castle. But later he was supplanted by another outlaw-hero, Robin Hood, as a symbol of resistance to oppression.




Sorry it was so long but thats history for you rolling on the floor laughing
Jun 30, 2007 2:06 PM CST does anybody know anything about english history !
gillyloves69
gillyloves69gillyloves69london, Greater London, England UK1,533 Threads 7 Polls 7,359 Posts
applause applause applause applause applause applause

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boy can you chat trish ..that was fantastic !

'deeper for longer'

looking forward to joining you all soon ...its great to listen to people talking like that trish

conversing

by the way who was oliver cromwell?
and why did he upset the irish ?

dancing
Jun 30, 2007 2:19 PM CST does anybody know anything about english history !
gillyloves69
gillyloves69gillyloves69london, Greater London, England UK1,533 Threads 7 Polls 7,359 Posts
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ere sealander06 why did henry the 8th have all of his wives head choped off ?

and eve more importanly why would fivemoyher women wantvto marry him to meet the same fate anyway ?

dunno

they must have been crazy

help

would you have married him ?

rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing

whats the history behind these marriages and then chopping peoples heads off then ?

cheers
just got to escape from the one liners for a while !
Jun 30, 2007 3:39 PM CST does anybody know anything about english history !
bulldog66
bulldog66bulldog66doncaster, UK35 Threads 3,680 Posts
well the catholic church forbids divorce even for a king so the loop hole was being unfaithfull to the king is treason punishable by death,etc beheading first door on the left one basket each ........
being a king back then ya did what ya anted too,remember it was way before cromwell n parlimentry rule so if the king said marry me ya did it ............loldunno where as now if ya the monarch ya just let turists take photos of ya gaffs ,wave a bit n have a lil chat to ya nation on t.v.christmas day.....oh its an hard old life for lizzy n phil the greekuk
Jun 30, 2007 3:40 PM CST does anybody know anything about english history !
bulldog66
bulldog66bulldog66doncaster, UK35 Threads 3,680 Posts
well the catholic church forbids divorce even for a king so the loop hole was being unfaithfull to the king is treason punishable by death,etc beheading first door on the left one basket each ........
being a king back then ya did what ya anted too,remember it was way before cromwell n parlimentry rule so if the king said marry me ya did it ............loldunno where as now if ya the monarch ya just let turists take photos of ya gaffs ,wave a bit n have a lil chat to ya nation on t.v.christmas day.....oh its an hard old life for lizzy n phil the greekuk
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