Medicine - Getting healthy any which way? ( Archived) (146)

Aug 16, 2007 2:16 PM CST Medicine - Getting healthy any which way?
FunGuyWithBrain
FunGuyWithBrainFunGuyWithBrainNorth Liberty, Iowa USA10 Threads 4,741 Posts
Alright. I think there is a lot of confusion about natural remedies, herbs, synthetic drugs, plant elixirs, clinical studies, folklore and so on. Overall, all these things can be grouped into two major categories: Medicine and everything else (usually called "alternative" medicine). The problem is that mainstream media and general public usually do not have the background to define a clear border between the two. This is not surprising since even so-called "experts" often have different opinions on the subject. Moreover, the actual border is blurry and there are overlaps.

Why are people fascinated with natural cures? For one, it sounds healthier than "drugs". The word "nature" is right on the label. How can nature be bad? Well, it can be but more about that later. Herb and plant extracts haved been used for thousands of years. Some of them are myths, some work but not to the degree people believe and some can be quite helpful for minor health problems. Additionally, there is often a fairly large placebo effect connected with the application of alternative medicines. People who try this route usually already believe in its efficacy or use it as a "last straw" attempt when "normal" medicine failed them.

What are the potential problems of alternative medicine? Well, natural does not necessarily mean healthy. Have you ever tried to eat poison ivy? It's quite "natural" but I suggest nobody ever try to ingest it. There are many other examples like that. The real issue, however, is that a medicine is declared "alternative" because there is no clear scientific evidence for its effectiveness or information on possible side-effects and interactions. A certain "remedy" may not harm you, but you do not know for sure. Additionally, it may not be as effective as you think and make you even sicker, if you forgo real medical treatment.

The fact is, many drugs produced by pharmaceutical companies originated from "nature" (plants, animals, bacteria, etc.). The difference is that through scientific research active ingredients have been identified and tested. A famous example is the discovery of penicillin (usually attributed to Alexander Fleming, although there were others) when mold grew on a petri dish and killed bacteria in it. The actual antibacterial agent was subsequently determined and isolated.

In real medicine clinical studies are performed to determine dosage, actual efficacy vs a placebo and to look for side-effects and interactions with other drugs in different populations (people with different conditions, medications, pregnancy, children, age groups, race, etc.). These studies are aimed to prevent health issues or even death when drugs are administered to a much larger group of patients.

Obviously, neither the studies nor the results are ever going to be perfect. There are statistical distributions and risk factors. There is usually at least a small group of people who will show adverse effects to any particular drug. In the majory the benefit will always outweigh any potential side-effects, but it's not a gurantee for the individual. Additionally, the more severe the disease (e.g., cancer, AIDS) the more severe side-effects are usually acceptable because the only alternative is most likely death. These special cases are often cherry picked and pointed out by proponents of alternative medicine. What they fail to see is the incredibly large number of people who gain benefit vs a small group who exhibits problems (relative to the severity of the illness). At the same time, they also fail to see that the distribution of real benefit vs. no benefit vs. side-effects of natural remedies is often much worse. Yet, what makes them really dangerous is the unknown factor.

To be continued...
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Aug 16, 2007 2:17 PM CST Medicine - Getting healthy any which way?
FunGuyWithBrain
FunGuyWithBrainFunGuyWithBrainNorth Liberty, Iowa USA10 Threads 4,741 Posts
... continued from previous post.

Pharmaceutical companies are sometimes decried as money hungry, heartless entities. I won't denied that there are certain people in the industry, usually at the very top of the corporate food chain and rarely with scientific background, who try to bend the rules and maybe laws to make the most money out of their product. This is unfortunate but not less true for the many herbal remedy hoaxes that are being promoted in infomercials at 3 a.m. in the morning. The vast majority of people in this industry, particularly in the medical, chemical, biological and pharmacological sciences are honest and hard working people who do their work for love of science and to help other people.

If you want to try certain herbs and teas, inform yourself, consult your doctor and use them as directed. Be suspicious of anything with extraordinary claims such as "cure for cancer" because they are with almost 100 % certainty a hoax. If they were true, word of mouth would have spread faster than a wildfire and nobody would get sick anymore.

Feel free to add your own views. cool
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Aug 16, 2007 2:21 PM CST Medicine - Getting healthy any which way?
Spartan73
Spartan73Spartan73Mersyside, Merseyside, England UK22 Threads 1,206 Posts
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So true...miracle cures do not exist...but we can certainly help ourselves by a little researching what has been suggested as helpful by repuatable sources.

Herbal remedies have much to offer, but caution must be exercised at all times.

Well said.wine
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Aug 16, 2007 2:25 PM CST Medicine - Getting healthy any which way?
sexybite
sexybitesexybiteVandruiken, Netherlands360 Posts
VERY well said.

I have tried every know "natural" alternative for migraines and found little to no relief. And really, anything that you have to take for two months BEFORE seeing any benefit, sure is a deterrent.

Finally went to the doctor and got Zomig. It is the WONDER DRUG OF THE WORLD!!!!!

I have my life back!

I am not saying that one choice is better than another. I am just saying that each and every option has it's pro's and con's. You have to find what works best for you!

There is nothing wrong with what some people consider a "quick fix".

Sprain your ankle? or God's sake, take an aspirin and be done with it!
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Aug 16, 2007 2:25 PM CST Medicine - Getting healthy any which way?
joy555
joy555joy555Akron, USA26 Threads 5,464 Posts
THANK YOUwine
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Aug 16, 2007 2:30 PM CST Medicine - Getting healthy any which way?
gentlepaws
gentlepawsgentlepawsAny town, Ontario Canada1,019 Threads 13 Polls 9,583 Posts
Sad to me is so much effort put into the cure and little to the cause of disease.
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Aug 16, 2007 2:31 PM CST Medicine - Getting healthy any which way?
b_n_d
b_n_db_n_dGlasgow, USA60 Threads 3,675 Posts
Miracle cures do infact exist, but you are correct caution must be used with anything you ingest. You can't just can't the words of someone and run with it. It's up to each person to learn and decide for themselves.
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Aug 16, 2007 2:33 PM CST Medicine - Getting healthy any which way?
joy555
joy555joy555Akron, USA26 Threads 5,464 Posts
THAT IS A GOOD POINTthumbs up
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Aug 16, 2007 2:33 PM CST Medicine - Getting healthy any which way?
littlewriter
littlewriterlittlewriterclose-ish to belfast, UK17 Threads 1,007 Posts
very well said funguy!

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Aug 16, 2007 2:34 PM CST Medicine - Getting healthy any which way?
b_n_d
b_n_db_n_dGlasgow, USA60 Threads 3,675 Posts
Well with Natural treatments, or naturalpathic medicine, they actually look for the cause instead of just treating symptoms. Very hard to find a good one that covers all areas of health, Anyone in the Scottsdale arizona area can look up Clark Hanson, He is one of the best.
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Aug 16, 2007 2:36 PM CST Medicine - Getting healthy any which way?
bajanblue
bajanbluebajanblueSpeightstown, Saint Peter Barbados344 Threads 1 Polls 3,724 Posts
As my experiences and observations have not endeared standard medical practice to me, I use 'alternative' treatments extensively Some work for me very well, whether it is a placebo effect or actually the result of the treatment used.

Acupuncture is my first choice for many complaints. Some ayurvedic practices have worked well for me also.

I also have studied and use herbal remedies and vitamin supplements. And I have found that some herbal remedies can make one quite ill. And good old vitamin C cripples me to the point where I cannot stand a mere two hours after ingesting it.

I have also had friends who were terminally ill with cancer deperately try Laetrile, herbal teas and the like when traditional medical practices could do no more. They are dead now. I had one friend who would use nothing but 'natural' remedies for his cancer. he too is dead now.

This does not mean I eschew all herbal remedies as bogus, it means I do my research, talk to other people who have used a remedy and make an informed decision. I also watch myself and monitor how I am feeling and what is changing when I am using a herbal remedy or a new course of vitamins.

I think to dismiss alternative medicine as bunk is as silly as it is to embrace it as the only way to go.

My suggestion is don't knock it if you haven't tried it, and don't try it without doing the research. Take responsibility for your health.

MO.
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Aug 16, 2007 2:36 PM CST Medicine - Getting healthy any which way?
dawn777
dawn777dawn777akron, Ohio USA3 Threads 2,702 Posts
Excellent thread funguythumbs up
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Aug 16, 2007 2:38 PM CST Medicine - Getting healthy any which way?
gentlepaws
gentlepawsgentlepawsAny town, Ontario Canada1,019 Threads 13 Polls 9,583 Posts
Here's a few Aspirin replacements, for pain.

Bromelain
Cloves (especially useful for toothaches)
Curcumin
Devil’s claw root powder
D,L-Phenylalanine
Echinacea (in very high dosages, well above those which control infections, echinacea is effective, especially for toothaches)
Feverfew
Ginger root
Licorice root
Proteolytic pancreatic digestive enzymes
Wood Betony
Valerian
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Aug 16, 2007 2:40 PM CST Medicine - Getting healthy any which way?
Tool12345
Tool12345Tool12345Mchenry, Illinois USA9 Threads 895 Posts
Beer always seems to work best for me rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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Aug 16, 2007 2:41 PM CST Medicine - Getting healthy any which way?
gentlepaws
gentlepawsgentlepawsAny town, Ontario Canada1,019 Threads 13 Polls 9,583 Posts
Me too, but only if followed with Scotch.
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Aug 16, 2007 2:45 PM CST Medicine - Getting healthy any which way?
sexybite
sexybitesexybiteVandruiken, Netherlands360 Posts
Valerian will make you VERY sleepy. And tastes and smells horrible! Dangerous to operate machinery after ingesting!

Feverfew is toted as the mirical cure for headaches, but must be taken quite a long time before relief comes.

Cloves will help a tooth ache, but do permanant damage to the gums through burning. (my dentist taught me that)

I have tried more than a few of these, and to be honest, have found aspirin to be the least invasive.
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Aug 16, 2007 2:46 PM CST Medicine - Getting healthy any which way?
mylifewithu
mylifewithumylifewithuSpringfield, Missouri USA174 Threads 23,670 Posts
I take a buffered aspirin daily for my heart , most of these herbs you have listed is dangerous for me to take , especially with my other meds.
Aspirin isn't the best pain med these days anyway ! And I don't take prescription pain meds.
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Aug 16, 2007 2:51 PM CST Medicine - Getting healthy any which way?
Tool12345
Tool12345Tool12345Mchenry, Illinois USA9 Threads 895 Posts
Hey scotch with q beer chaser ...its all good lol
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Aug 16, 2007 2:52 PM CST Medicine - Getting healthy any which way?
gentlepaws
gentlepawsgentlepawsAny town, Ontario Canada1,019 Threads 13 Polls 9,583 Posts
Except the following morning.
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Aug 16, 2007 2:55 PM CST Medicine - Getting healthy any which way?
Tool12345
Tool12345Tool12345Mchenry, Illinois USA9 Threads 895 Posts
yea i can attest to that lol
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