Nationalism and Pride in ones country. ( Archived) (89)

Mar 3, 2008 10:10 AM CST Nationalism and Pride in ones country.
Detente
DetenteDetenteNorth West, England UK48 Threads 1 Polls 2,742 Posts
Is there a difference?

This was inspired by Sellanova's thread...it got me thinking because while I'm kinda proud of some of what Britain has acheived I certainly wouldn't consider myself nationalistic.

So I'm unafraid of criticizing the country of my residence where I feel justified...and would never consider it above criticism from ANY quarter.

What say you? Are you an out and out nationalist or simply proud to be a part of your nations fabric?wine
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Mar 3, 2008 10:20 AM CST Nationalism and Pride in ones country.
lusciousmile
lusciousmilelusciousmileThere, Aland Islands Finland25 Threads 2 Polls 11,989 Posts
Detente: Is there a difference?

This was inspired by Sellanova's thread...it got me thinking because while I'm kinda proud of some of what Britain has acheived I certainly wouldn't consider myself nationalistic.

So I'm unafraid of criticizing the country of my residence where I feel justified...and would never consider it above criticism from ANY quarter.
What say you? Are you an out and out nationalist or simply proud to be a part of your nations fabric?


I like that.

I personally am proud of where i come from which should come naturally to everyone as there is obviouly something to be proud of to everyone of their 'mamaland'.

However, i remain dissatisfied with many things regarding my 'mamaland'.

I would rather see a lack and consequently hope for change than be all round content, be reluctant and miss out on the unknown good that could follow.

It kills me that my people are at war and will never support that to seem loyal. Why? It would be dishonest and against what i believe in since my loyalty begins with myself.

wine
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Mar 3, 2008 10:21 AM CST Nationalism and Pride in ones country.
Aseeker
AseekerAseekerSeattle, USA3 Threads 91 Posts
Not too sure about your terminology, so don't know if I could just say yes or no. I am proud of my country, and after seeing so many others, really don't want to leave it again. I do think other countries have some good points, just like this one best overall, although it isn't perfect by a long shot. I actually try to be OBJECTIVE, FAIR, AND REALISTIC.
I think that when people from other countries try to take shots at the US, ESPECIALLY those who pretend like they actually KNOW MORE than those of us who actually live and work here, I probably come off as a nationalists, as I call them out for being so arrogantly judgmental with little more than media hype to go on, and tell them I don't give a damn about their uninformed opinion, as it is irrelevant. But no, calling an arrogant a**hole out for what they are, doesn't make you a nationalist. I, for one, would not shed a solitary tear if something completely horrible happened to Bush.
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Mar 3, 2008 10:39 AM CST Nationalism and Pride in ones country.
shipoker55
shipoker55shipoker55St. Petersburg, Florida USA211 Threads 2 Polls 9,362 Posts
I am proud to be a citizen of the greatest country ever...JMO. We have many faults...but we are a young nation and we will grow better with time.

Recently we have made some major mistakes...but we'll get through them. Many nations are mad at us right now...but I am more angry at our leaders than they could possibly be. I am angry with the leaders but not the country.

I, too, have been to several countries abroad...some because I wanted to, and some because I was sent. But my heart always felt good, when I saw an American flag while on foreign soil.
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Mar 3, 2008 10:43 AM CST Nationalism and Pride in ones country.
bodleing
bodleingbodleingGreater Manchester, England UK238 Threads 8 Polls 13,810 Posts
Detente: Is there a difference?

This was inspired by Sellanova's thread...it got me thinking because while I'm kinda proud of some of what Britain has acheived I certainly wouldn't consider myself nationalistic.

So I'm unafraid of criticizing the country of my residence where I feel justified...and would never consider it above criticism from ANY quarter.

What say you? Are you an out and out nationalist or simply proud to be a part of your nations fabric?


Proud to be Birtish, of course.

Nationalistic... hell no
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Mar 3, 2008 11:21 AM CST Nationalism and Pride in ones country.
Detente
DetenteDetenteNorth West, England UK48 Threads 1 Polls 2,742 Posts
bodleing: Proud to be Birtish, of course.

Nationalistic... hell no
thumbs up

Very much agree with you.cheers
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Mar 3, 2008 11:25 AM CST Nationalism and Pride in ones country.
Detente
DetenteDetenteNorth West, England UK48 Threads 1 Polls 2,742 Posts
Aseeker: Not too sure about your terminology, so don't know if I could just say yes or no. I am proud of my country, and after seeing so many others, really don't want to leave it again. I do think other countries have some good points, just like this one best overall, although it isn't perfect by a long shot. I actually try to be OBJECTIVE, FAIR, AND REALISTIC.
I think that when people from other countries try to take shots at the US, ESPECIALLY those who pretend like they actually KNOW MORE than those of us who actually live and work here, I probably come off as a nationalists, as I call them out for being so arrogantly judgmental with little more than media hype to go on, and tell them I don't give a damn about their uninformed opinion, as it is irrelevant. But no, calling an arrogant a**hole out for what they are, doesn't make you a nationalist. I, for one, would not shed a solitary tear if something completely horrible happened to Bush.


I think there's some truth in the saying 'Can't see the wood for the tree's' at certain times. I suppose nationalism can blind ALL of us into failure to admit error.

Indeed, once this is done, security in ones nation and what it stands for can be enjoyed to some degree.

Clay feet and all....we all got 'em!laugh
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Mar 3, 2008 11:43 AM CST Nationalism and Pride in ones country.
Aries01
Aries01Aries01Kent, England UK47 Threads 4 Polls 2,732 Posts
Proud to be Irish..yes... but don't 'feel' 100% Irish at times..also.. I would not be blind to any ills perpetrated by Ireland just because she is my country... the IRA in its later years for e.g.... I hated them.. because they had evolved into a gang of criminals with alleged links to organised crime.. JMO

wine
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Mar 3, 2008 11:50 AM CST Nationalism and Pride in ones country.
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
until we find pride in being members of the same planet (maybe even the universe)... all else is separationism, a way of keeping us apart and drawing lines against our neighbors.

Our birth place in the universe is far more important.. JMHO what man achieves is far more important, regardless of country or heritage.

peace
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Mar 3, 2008 11:58 AM CST Nationalism and Pride in ones country.
karmistry
karmistrykarmistryNW Corner, Connecticut USA5 Threads 364 Posts
I have to say that I am proud to be a part of this nations fabric.thumbs up
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Mar 3, 2008 12:29 PM CST Nationalism and Pride in ones country.
constanza
constanzaconstanzaLA, California USA28 Threads 1 Polls 5,159 Posts
Detente: Is there a difference?

This was inspired by Sellanova's thread...it got me thinking because while I'm kinda proud of some of what Britain has acheived I certainly wouldn't consider myself nationalistic.

So I'm unafraid of criticizing the country of my residence where I feel justified...and would never consider it above criticism from ANY quarter.

What say you? Are you an out and out nationalist or simply proud to be a part of your nations fabric?



At some point both feelings and ideas have got to involve some level of comparison...grin ... which by nature involves drawing conclusions that one's country is better than others.....? dunno
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Mar 3, 2008 12:35 PM CST Nationalism and Pride in ones country.
Detente
DetenteDetenteNorth West, England UK48 Threads 1 Polls 2,742 Posts
constanza: At some point both feelings and ideas have got to involve some level of comparison... ... which by nature involves drawing conclusions that one's country is better than others.....?
wave

I think nationalism does involve some sort of superiority complex as regards ones place of residence, whereas pride in your country's accomplishments is purely objective - non superior...appreciating the acheivement while not feeling the need to place your nation on a pedestal.

As a result of this attitude, it seems to be easier to accept your countriy's faults which is incredibly healthy.wine
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Mar 3, 2008 12:35 PM CST Nationalism and Pride in ones country.
bodleing
bodleingbodleingGreater Manchester, England UK238 Threads 8 Polls 13,810 Posts
constanza: At some point both feelings and ideas have got to involve some level of comparison... ... which by nature involves drawing conclusions that one's country is better than others.....?


I can feel proud to be British without coming
to the conclusion that my country is better
than any other.

Except France of course.



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Mar 3, 2008 12:36 PM CST Nationalism and Pride in ones country.
Jan1305
Jan1305Jan1305Sunshine and vino, Murcia Spain170 Threads 5,319 Posts
BnaturAl: until we find pride in being members of the same planet (maybe even the universe)... all else is separationism, a way of keeping us apart and drawing lines against our neighbors.

Our birth place in the universe is far more important.. JMHO what man achieves is far more important, regardless of country or heritage.


Exactly! thumbs up

It's clear from some of the replies that many of us haven't attained this level of thinking, you are the only person who hasn't referred to your country of birth.
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Mar 3, 2008 12:37 PM CST Nationalism and Pride in ones country.
constanza
constanzaconstanzaLA, California USA28 Threads 1 Polls 5,159 Posts
bodleing: I can feel proud to be British without coming
to the conclusion that my country is better
than any other.

Except France of course.



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Mar 3, 2008 12:38 PM CST Nationalism and Pride in ones country.
riyablossom
riyablossomriyablossomsomewhere, Pennsylvania USA184 Threads 18 Polls 11,244 Posts
I had to look up nationalism for the definition to answer giggle

No.. i cant call myself one.
I take pride in being an Indian and will always do for all the good and bad it can signify. I uphold our culture, values and tradition ; but as a nationalist would, i do not consider it supreme and above all without contradiction ... though time and again i get the feeling that eastern cultures still have that touch of depth fast losing out elsewhere ..

I think there's a little to be learnt from all cultures and nations .. their mistakes and achievements both !!

So .. proud to be an Indian but would think it wise if we could begin to think globally .. i must try ..wave
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Mar 3, 2008 12:41 PM CST Nationalism and Pride in ones country.
constanza
constanzaconstanzaLA, California USA28 Threads 1 Polls 5,159 Posts
Detente: I think nationalism does involve some sort of superiority complex as regards ones place of residence, whereas pride in your country's accomplishments is purely objective - non superior...appreciating the acheivement while not feeling the need to place your nation on a pedestal.

As a result of this attitude, it seems to be easier to accept your countriy's faults which is incredibly healthy.




cool cheers
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Mar 3, 2008 12:43 PM CST Nationalism and Pride in ones country.
bodleing
bodleingbodleingGreater Manchester, England UK238 Threads 8 Polls 13,810 Posts
Jan1305: Exactly!

It's clear from some of the replies that many of us haven't attained this level of thinking, you are the only person who hasn't referred to your country of birth.


Not quite true.scold

I was born in Englandlaugh

Anyway, how can we feel proud of coming
from this planet?

This just doesnt make senseconfused
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Mar 3, 2008 12:45 PM CST Nationalism and Pride in ones country.
Detente
DetenteDetenteNorth West, England UK48 Threads 1 Polls 2,742 Posts
bodleing: Not quite true.

I was born in England

Anyway, how can we feel proud of coming
from this planet?

This just doesnt make sense
thumbs up

Plus, it ain't the OP.grin
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Mar 3, 2008 12:52 PM CST Nationalism and Pride in ones country.
Jan1305
Jan1305Jan1305Sunshine and vino, Murcia Spain170 Threads 5,319 Posts
bodleing: Not quite true.

I was born in England

Anyway, how can we feel proud of coming
from this planet?

This just doesnt make sense


It makes perfect sense to me! Read Al's post, I think he was saying that we shouldn't be so insular and think more about ourselves in the context of the whole world. Correct me if I'm wrong Al!

I'm English too by birth but I spend long periods in other countries and have chosen to make my permanent home in Spain. I have felt proud of many things in each of these countries as though I were a native.

Perhaps that's the difference between pride and nationalism?
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