Bad Seed (45)
those who believe the Bible will have to say yes. All are born evil All must repent.
I think it sucks
I think it sucks
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shipoker55: those who believe the Bible will have to say yes. All are born evil All must repent.
I think it sucks
I think it sucks
yes....in Christianity, all are born sinful, but once you are baptized, you are cleansed and then any sins are of your own making.
The idea of a bad seed is, I think, a different concept...
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Portiea: The Fifth Child is a novel by Nobel Prize-winner Doris Lessing. The story is about a normal family whose fifth child disrupts their happy middle class existence because of his seriously anti-social behavior. As parents, they do all the normal, nurturing things we expect parents to do, and their other children are fine. When the fifth child has behaviorial problems, they do all the things you are supposed to do and seek all the help society has to offer to help him. Nothing works, and eventually, because as he grows older he becomes more and more evil, they, sadly, decide that the only thing they can do for the rest of the family to survive is to just write him off.
The point of the story is to ask whether or not some people are just born bad, and it doesn't matter what their gene pool is or what kind of home life they are given as children.
Do you agree or not with this idea: is there such a thing as a bad seed? Are some people just born bad?
The point of the story is to ask whether or not some people are just born bad, and it doesn't matter what their gene pool is or what kind of home life they are given as children.
Do you agree or not with this idea: is there such a thing as a bad seed? Are some people just born bad?
i disagree with the bad seed idea
most of the cases is the enviroment/family/neighbourhood that make people the way they are
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Portiea: The Fifth Child is a novel by Nobel Prize-winner Doris Lessing. The story is about a normal family whose fifth child disrupts their happy middle class existence because of his seriously anti-social behavior. As parents, they do all the normal, nurturing things we expect parents to do, and their other children are fine. When the fifth child has behaviorial problems, they do all the things you are supposed to do and seek all the help society has to offer to help him. Nothing works, and eventually, because as he grows older he becomes more and more evil, they, sadly, decide that the only thing they can do for the rest of the family to survive is to just write him off.
The point of the story is to ask whether or not some people are just born bad, and it doesn't matter what their gene pool is or what kind of home life they are given as children.
Do you agree or not with this idea: is there such a thing as a bad seed? Are some people just born bad?
The point of the story is to ask whether or not some people are just born bad, and it doesn't matter what their gene pool is or what kind of home life they are given as children.
Do you agree or not with this idea: is there such a thing as a bad seed? Are some people just born bad?
hahaha.. and what made you think of this?
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Personally.. I think it's nature and nurture.. It's something I have been looking into for a very long time.
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think this is a delicate topic maybe today of all days, i don't think bad is perhaps the right word 
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Claayer: hahaha.. and what made you think of this?
Actually, probably not what you think....I just try to think of ideas that I think might create discussion, discussion I might find interesting.....
Other than that, Claayer, can't imagine what you are implying...
Seriously, has nothing to do with any specific person..
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No idea, rich kids with everything can turn to murder for fun and kids with nothing can grow into perfect human beings who knows what can tip the mind one way or the other
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morganlee: think this is a delicate topic maybe today of all days, i don't think bad is perhaps the right word
Why today? I guess I don't know what is going on...?
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Claayer: hahaha.. and what made you think of this?
Claayer for you 
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I don't believe the concept of "badness" quite applies. It's more an issue of certain individuals having extremely strong predilections toward anti-social/destructive behavior. I wouldn't call them "evil," because I don't believe they chose their own nature.
Do such individuals exist? Genetic/biologic probability pretty much guarantees that they do. There will, by these laws of probability, exist certain persons who will prove to be more or less impervious to any kind of interventions or influences, regardless of how benevolent or skilled.
Do such individuals exist? Genetic/biologic probability pretty much guarantees that they do. There will, by these laws of probability, exist certain persons who will prove to be more or less impervious to any kind of interventions or influences, regardless of how benevolent or skilled.
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morganlee: Claayer for you
Aawww I'm Ok.. but thankyoooo
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Portiea: The Fifth Child is a novel by Nobel Prize-winner Doris Lessing. The story is about a normal family whose fifth child disrupts their happy middle class existence because of his seriously anti-social behavior. As parents, they do all the normal, nurturing things we expect parents to do, and their other children are fine. When the fifth child has behaviorial problems, they do all the things you are supposed to do and seek all the help society has to offer to help him. Nothing works, and eventually, because as he grows older he becomes more and more evil, they, sadly, decide that the only thing they can do for the rest of the family to survive is to just write him off.
The point of the story is to ask whether or not some people are just born bad, and it doesn't matter what their gene pool is or what kind of home life they are given as children.
Do you agree or not with this idea: is there such a thing as a bad seed? Are some people just born bad?
The point of the story is to ask whether or not some people are just born bad, and it doesn't matter what their gene pool is or what kind of home life they are given as children.
Do you agree or not with this idea: is there such a thing as a bad seed? Are some people just born bad?
I have difficulty with labelling any child 'bad' tbh.... there can be any number of reasons why a child might act out... sensitive personality.. intense shyness, learing difficulties, high IQ, behavioural disorder, personality disorder, subconscious guilt issues, bullying at school,.... and lots more.... to label a child bad would be to seriously over simplify things.. my Brother gave us a lot of hassel growing up.. he was painfully shy, intelligent (v high IQ) sensitive disposition and he was bullied at school (which he didn't tell us about until this last Xmas)... we were so many times at our wits end...however in spite of everything we always stuck by him and he is great now... a great Dad, ADOOOOOORES his lil boy and has his own sucessful graphic design business...
Recently aswell (think he understands now that he is a Dad) thanked my Mum for always standing by him no matter what.. made her cry.. with happiness that she did something right afterall....
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alex_192: i disagree with the bad seed idea
most of the cases is the enviroment/family/neighbourhood that make people the way they are
most of the cases is the enviroment/family/neighbourhood that make people the way they are
My mother raised nine children and wanted more so she adopted two others. They were entirely different even though they were raised in the same way.
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Portiea: The Fifth Child is a novel by Nobel Prize-winner Doris Lessing. The story is about a normal family whose fifth child disrupts their happy middle class existence because of his seriously anti-social behavior. As parents, they do all the normal, nurturing things we expect parents to do, and their other children are fine. When the fifth child has behaviorial problems, they do all the things you are supposed to do and seek all the help society has to offer to help him. Nothing works, and eventually, because as he grows older he becomes more and more evil, they, sadly, decide that the only thing they can do for the rest of the family to survive is to just write him off.
The point of the story is to ask whether or not some people are just born bad, and it doesn't matter what their gene pool is or what kind of home life they are given as children.
Do you agree or not with this idea: is there such a thing as a bad seed? Are some people just born bad?
The point of the story is to ask whether or not some people are just born bad, and it doesn't matter what their gene pool is or what kind of home life they are given as children.
Do you agree or not with this idea: is there such a thing as a bad seed? Are some people just born bad?
Think that there are many factors that ultimately have an influence on how a child develops. Their natural born tenancies/personality I believe are a huge factor ......... there are many families who raise children under the same/similar environment and the children are completely different.
As for someone being "bad" ............ I guess it depends on your definition of the word and also the ramifications that can occur within our society. What is acceptable here may not be tolerated in another country or social group.
There are definitely people who are "off" and no matter what upbringing they have ...... they will behave or do things that are not acceptable as the "norm" within our society.
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newinsouth: My mother raised nine children and wanted more so she adopted two others. They were entirely different even though they were raised in the same way.
that's it.. that's why I am so sure that a good chunk of it is nature too.
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Ambrose2007: I don't believe the concept of "badness" quite applies. It's more an issue of certain individuals having extremely strong predilections toward anti-social/destructive behavior. I wouldn't call them "evil," because I don't believe they chose their own nature.
Do such individuals exist? Genetic/biologic probability pretty much guarantees that they do. There will, by these laws of probability, exist certain persons who will prove to be more or less impervious to any kind of interventions or influences, regardless of how benevolent or skilled.
Do such individuals exist? Genetic/biologic probability pretty much guarantees that they do. There will, by these laws of probability, exist certain persons who will prove to be more or less impervious to any kind of interventions or influences, regardless of how benevolent or skilled.
Agreed....such is life, which bottom line is purely random and inperfect.
Notwithstanding which still awesome......
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Ambrose2007: I don't believe the concept of "badness" quite applies. It's more an issue of certain individuals having extremely strong predilections toward anti-social/destructive behavior. I wouldn't call them "evil," because I don't believe they chose their own nature.
Do such individuals exist? Genetic/biologic probability pretty much guarantees that they do. There will, by these laws of probability, exist certain persons who will prove to be more or less impervious to any kind of interventions or influences, regardless of how benevolent or skilled.
Do such individuals exist? Genetic/biologic probability pretty much guarantees that they do. There will, by these laws of probability, exist certain persons who will prove to be more or less impervious to any kind of interventions or influences, regardless of how benevolent or skilled.
Agreed....such is life, which bottom line is purely random and inperfect.
Notwithstanding which still awesome......
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There's no such thing as bad seed, only trouble children .The more people tell them they are bad. they will think their bad they need support not criticism.
Can you imagine people constantly telling you your bad, that you start to believe it.
Can you imagine people constantly telling you your bad, that you start to believe it.
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The point of the story is to ask whether or not some people are just born bad, and it doesn't matter what their gene pool is or what kind of home life they are given as children.
Do you agree or not with this idea: is there such a thing as a bad seed? Are some people just born bad?