GOD is a Notion, Useful or Not? (163)
j_goose71: Not.
It blinds people and makes them sheeple. And it allows people to blame an invisible diety for the wrongs of the world.
The idea of free will isn't real when discussing god. Here's why....
You can only recieve salvation if you honor, worship,and obey, the "God-man". That is not free will. Free will would be recieving salvation for just living a good moral life. Not because you are forced into worship.
In allowing God to be a spiritual focal point, it tends to pit one person against another. (Religious "my way or the highway" mentality) It's delisional, IMO, to follow an invisible man.
Don't get me wrong, the myth provides a good moral compass for us to follow, but I can get that on my own. It's called being a good human being.
JMO of course.
Good to see ya Al
It blinds people and makes them sheeple. And it allows people to blame an invisible diety for the wrongs of the world.
The idea of free will isn't real when discussing god. Here's why....
You can only recieve salvation if you honor, worship,and obey, the "God-man". That is not free will. Free will would be recieving salvation for just living a good moral life. Not because you are forced into worship.
In allowing God to be a spiritual focal point, it tends to pit one person against another. (Religious "my way or the highway" mentality) It's delisional, IMO, to follow an invisible man.
Don't get me wrong, the myth provides a good moral compass for us to follow, but I can get that on my own. It's called being a good human being.
JMO of course.
Good to see ya Al
Free will is your choice to decide how you live your life,,NOT what you receive.
you can choose if you want to be religious or not.
You can choose salvation or not.
is not different than walking down a country road and you come to a fork in the road.. the sign reads <---riches and gold....immortal life--->
you are free to choose.
but you cant have both. still if free will.. your choice..
if there is a God.. I don't think we get to make the rules.
That is like the gays that have taken some churches to court- demanding to be allowed to attend...
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Emanuellla: Geez, but this notion is directly related to the existence of God! if He didn't exist this notion would miss also.Man did a lot of stupid things in the name of God but it doesn't mean the notion is an unuseful malefical one.
Think about all he billions of ppl for whom the simple whispering of word God makes them feel so much better.
Think about all he billions of ppl for whom the simple whispering of word God makes them feel so much better.
Santa Claus is a notion, The Easter Bunny is a notion....there are many notions that do not exist. The existence or non existence of them is not the OP, sorry.
SO, you're on the side of this notion being useful, for what purpose?
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BnaturAl: Santa Claus is a notion, The Easter Bunny is a notion....there are many notions that do not exist. The existence or non existence of them is not the OP, sorry.SO, you're on the side of this notion being useful, for what purpose?
this notion is USEFUL coz i saw how it worked wonders on ppl that were close to my heart...
If it helps only a single soul on this Earth, we simply don't have the right to catalogate it as "unuseful"
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letitroll: Yes the universal consciousness of negative thought would be the devil, as it would be.......
One cannot exist without the other...... all things in balance....
As far as any say, it would be impossible to dissect the notion of either, because thoughts exist as a integral part of life.... they cant be extinguished lest you extinguish their source, which is life....
Each of us determines that which is right or wrong, positive and negative, by our own system of beliefs.... the consciousness of positive and negative thought in our lives would not necessarily be the same for everyone....... and I do believe in its usefulness
One cannot exist without the other...... all things in balance....
As far as any say, it would be impossible to dissect the notion of either, because thoughts exist as a integral part of life.... they cant be extinguished lest you extinguish their source, which is life....
Each of us determines that which is right or wrong, positive and negative, by our own system of beliefs.... the consciousness of positive and negative thought in our lives would not necessarily be the same for everyone....... and I do believe in its usefulness
and that vast difference is what causes most strife and contention.
is kind of like trying to get a job done....... it is easier to accomplish when all have the same goal in mind, instead of everyone in the group having a different job in mind to accomplish.
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letitroll: Yes the universal consciousness of negative thought would be the devil, as it would be.......
One cannot exist without the other...... all things in balance....
As far as any say, it would be impossible to dissect the notion of either, because thoughts exist as a integral part of life.... they cant be extinguished lest you extinguish their source, which is life....
Each of us determines that which is right or wrong, positive and negative, by our own system of beliefs.... the consciousness of positive and negative thought in our lives would not necessarily be the same for everyone....... and I do believe in its usefulness
One cannot exist without the other...... all things in balance....
As far as any say, it would be impossible to dissect the notion of either, because thoughts exist as a integral part of life.... they cant be extinguished lest you extinguish their source, which is life....
Each of us determines that which is right or wrong, positive and negative, by our own system of beliefs.... the consciousness of positive and negative thought in our lives would not necessarily be the same for everyone....... and I do believe in its usefulness
paradoxical lamentations! love it ... lets see if I'm following the essence of what you're saying... all is one, yes? including negative and positive aspects, call it god/devil or black/white, they are inseperable, functions of each other?
To me this suggests that you're saying, that we are part of that 'notion's' usefulness?
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Emanuellla: Geez, but this notion is directly related to the existence of God! if He didn't exist this notion would miss also.Man did a lot of stupid things in the name of God but it doesn't mean the notion is an unuseful malefical one.
Think about all he billions of ppl for whom the simple whispering of word God makes them feel so much better.
Think about all he billions of ppl for whom the simple whispering of word God makes them feel so much better.
That to me is a crutch.
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Emanuellla: this notion is USEFUL coz i saw how it worked wonders on ppl that were close to my heart...
If it helps only a single soul on this Earth, we simply don't have the right to catalogate it as "unuseful"
If it helps only a single soul on this Earth, we simply don't have the right to catalogate it as "unuseful"
we have rights to catalogue as we desire, because we just do, undeniably so. But thats a whole nother story ..
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My comments here are strictly MY view only!
I do not intend to try to convert anyone, either you believe or you don't..That is you freedom and right.
But I also do not agree with the churches that send their followers out door to door!!!
If you do read the Bible.. Jesus did not go door to door....... he spoke to crowds and let the people come to him.
I do not intend to try to convert anyone, either you believe or you don't..That is you freedom and right.
But I also do not agree with the churches that send their followers out door to door!!!
If you do read the Bible.. Jesus did not go door to door....... he spoke to crowds and let the people come to him.
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BnaturAl: we have rights to catalogue as we desire, because we just do, undeniably so. But thats a whole nother story ..
we have the right to catalogate it as it should be catalogated
sorry, friend, but i care too much abt this notion not to fight for its absolute usefulness 
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rasgumby: and that vast difference is what causes most strife and contention.
is kind of like trying to get a job done....... it is easier to accomplish when all have the same goal in mind, instead of everyone in the group having a different job in mind to accomplish.
is kind of like trying to get a job done....... it is easier to accomplish when all have the same goal in mind, instead of everyone in the group having a different job in mind to accomplish.
But if you beleive as letitroll says, that all is one, that good and bad are functioning aspects of each other, how is it possible to get everyone on the same goal, or heading for the same thing? or is that what you're saying?
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Emanuellla: we have the right to catalogate it as it should be catalogated
sorry, friend, but i care too much abt this notion not to fight for its absolute usefulness
sorry, friend, but i care too much abt this notion not to fight for its absolute usefulness
You are most welcome to stand on the side of usefulness
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BnaturAl: You are most welcome to stand on the side of usefulness
welcome to my side hahaha there is no other side
or i will start
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Emanuellla: Geez, but this notion is directly related to the existence of God! if He didn't exist this notion would miss also.Man did a lot of stupid things in the name of God but it doesn't mean the notion is an unuseful malefical one.
Think about all he billions of ppl for whom the simple whispering of word God makes them feel so much better.
Think about all he billions of ppl for whom the simple whispering of word God makes them feel so much better.
Thats just the point...
Belief!
these are people who believe, and it gives them comfort and inner strength.. if that helps them.. great for them..
so many people NEED to have a faith in something larger than them self to cope with a tough life with few good answers.
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BnaturAl: But if you beleive as letitroll says, that all is one, that good and bad are functioning aspects of each other, how is it possible to get everyone on the same goal, or heading for the same thing? or is that what you're saying?
I don't agree with him.
good and bad are opposites...
just as day and night.
but you have both regardless.. but do we ever have both at the same time? can we not plainly see the difference between day and night?
and good and evil are not balanced..
you put no effort into producing evil, no real thought to do bad.
but good takes thought and intention.
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j_goose71: That to me is a crutch.
at first I thought you said crotch
hey its no unbelieveable from you 
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BnaturAl: at first I thought you said crotch hey its no unbelieveable from you
You know me too well....
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rasgumby: I don't agree with him.
good and bad are opposites...
just as day and night.
but you have both regardless.. but do we ever have both at the same time? can we not plainly see the difference between day and night?
and good and evil are not balanced..
you put no effort into producing evil, no real thought to do bad.
but good takes thought and intention.
good and bad are opposites...
just as day and night.
but you have both regardless.. but do we ever have both at the same time? can we not plainly see the difference between day and night?
and good and evil are not balanced..
you put no effort into producing evil, no real thought to do bad.
but good takes thought and intention.
this would mean that GWB and Saddam as well as Charles Manson and others have no thought or intention? they too could be archetypes for some.
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BnaturAl: this would mean that GWB and Saddam as well as Charles Manson and others have no thought or intention? they too could be archetypes for some.
too funny..... are you actually accusing Bush of thought?
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I say INCREDIBLY useful.
Someone introduced me to the concept(s) of metaphysics and books like "The Secret" have this belief more widely understood. Frankly, while parts of it make sense to me (ie. the placebo effect) I am not sure about most of it. Here's the rub, believing it or not, while I practice the principles and exercises I have read about, I am a MUCH more optimistic and inspired being.
Marx said something about religion being the opiate of the masses. I used that saying as a young person to stay in judgement of my parents/sisters and their faith. Meanwhile I was out drinking like a fish. What if religion really is just the opiate of the masses? Look how much good it has done with most of the heroes (missionaries and the like) unsung. And what about the great benefits of community and fellowship the belief in God creates.
Militant atheists crack me up. I always get this vision in my head of us being ants on the pavement and God being a guy in boots. The atheist on the sidewalk looking up shaking his hand at the guy in work books denying his existence. >SQUISH<
Someone introduced me to the concept(s) of metaphysics and books like "The Secret" have this belief more widely understood. Frankly, while parts of it make sense to me (ie. the placebo effect) I am not sure about most of it. Here's the rub, believing it or not, while I practice the principles and exercises I have read about, I am a MUCH more optimistic and inspired being.
Marx said something about religion being the opiate of the masses. I used that saying as a young person to stay in judgement of my parents/sisters and their faith. Meanwhile I was out drinking like a fish. What if religion really is just the opiate of the masses? Look how much good it has done with most of the heroes (missionaries and the like) unsung. And what about the great benefits of community and fellowship the belief in God creates.
Militant atheists crack me up. I always get this vision in my head of us being ants on the pavement and God being a guy in boots. The atheist on the sidewalk looking up shaking his hand at the guy in work books denying his existence. >SQUISH<
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I agree with you other assertions, but the question is, is it useful to us. Do we have any say? Are we tapping it, or is it tapping us?
Yes the universal consciousness of negative thought would be the devil, as it would be.......
One cannot exist without the other...... all things in balance....
As far as any say, it would be impossible to dissect the notion of either, because thoughts exist as a integral part of life.... they cant be extinguished lest you extinguish their source, which is life....
Each of us determines that which is right or wrong, positive and negative, by our own system of beliefs.... the consciousness of positive and negative thought in our lives would not necessarily be the same for everyone....... and I do believe in its usefulness