GOD is a Notion, Useful or Not? (163)
BnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Postsa tangeant from the OP, but its another notion 
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BnaturAl: that was indeed the meaning of my OP.
i love it when you are easily persuaded
oh i mean
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mindfful: i love it when you are easily persuaded
oh i mean
oh i mean
its all part of the web I weave...
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BnaturAl: its all part of the web I weave...
i am so glad i came back to see this response
made my day
were you one of the kids ostracised for bein smart?
g'nite punkinhead
web
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I think yes.... it has helped me get through some tough and dark times in my life.
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BnaturAl: how can anything that is beyond reproach and beautiful be useless?
ok, no I am not planning a coup but lets see if I can clarify the intent. I think goose mentioned it in an earlier post, the phrase "what would jesus do?"
Now I'm not suggesting buying into religion or jesus or god for that matter. But, as an archetype, as rule for character and behavior in times when you just can't grasp whats going on or what to do, asking yourself perhaps "what would a good person do in this case?"
The assignment of an archetype helps in reaching that answer because the character of that archetype is in your consciousness either from memory or having read, or learned about that particular archetype. For all intents and purposes it could be ghandi or claudia jennings, the actual archetype or idol is inconsequential.
The other aspect is in awareness. Most times we are acting our lives out without ever becoming aware of a higher self or for some, a higher being if you will. Having the archetype lends focus to that awareness.
clearer? or have I muddied the coup?
ok, no I am not planning a coup but lets see if I can clarify the intent. I think goose mentioned it in an earlier post, the phrase "what would jesus do?"
Now I'm not suggesting buying into religion or jesus or god for that matter. But, as an archetype, as rule for character and behavior in times when you just can't grasp whats going on or what to do, asking yourself perhaps "what would a good person do in this case?"
The assignment of an archetype helps in reaching that answer because the character of that archetype is in your consciousness either from memory or having read, or learned about that particular archetype. For all intents and purposes it could be ghandi or claudia jennings, the actual archetype or idol is inconsequential.
The other aspect is in awareness. Most times we are acting our lives out without ever becoming aware of a higher self or for some, a higher being if you will. Having the archetype lends focus to that awareness.
clearer? or have I muddied the coup?
Useless as a form of social control in the face of modern perceptions is quite different from the original intent of 'control' of primitive peoples - fortunately, many of us have moved on..........
as rule for character and behavior in times when you just can't grasp whats going on or what to do, asking yourself perhaps "what would a good person do in this case?"
Good - do we only have the biblical concept of 'good' - I dont think so - I have been a 'good' person for as long as I remember, I continually apraise my behaviour, probably a lot more than most in fact - I do judge myself quite harshly but not by Christian principles - this doesnt mean that I am not 'good' though some of my principles do cross over with this Christian ethic for sure - I stay celibate but this I see as a principle of self worth rather than a principle of Christianity - many of the principles of Christianity are plaigiarised from earlier religions anyway......
Dont forget that my Heroine is Boudicca........... she fought the Roman conquest of Britain - and she did it with style and principles - they havent gone out of fashion or been usurped by any of the ideologies which attempted to put them on the backburner........
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BnaturAl: athiests are irrelevant? just asking.
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BnaturAl: For the purpose of discussion; without discussing the real or unreal existence of a god, accepting that god is a notion, an archetype, a focal point for spirituality; (because nothing more is substantially proveable) would you say this notion is useful to us or not?
I know that idea is very profitable for certain people (like the Popes and people alike)
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When Jesus came to 'save us' it was not just in the sense of giving us the means to get into 'heaven' it was also to save us from ourselves...we need saving from ourselves... when we do it on our own we f**k up.... if we lived our lives by the thruth.. we would experience living salvation... so in that sense alone... absolutely its useful
Hiya B 
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Aries01: When Jesus came to 'save us' it was not just in the sense of giving us the means to get into 'heaven' it was also to save us from ourselves...we need saving from ourselves... when we do it on our own we f**k up.... if we lived our lives by the thruth.. we would experience living salvation... so in that sense alone... absolutely its useful
Hiya B
Hiya B
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I have to ask this.
When those whom do not believe in God tells someone going thru hard times " you are in my prayers"
Just who is being prayed to?
wouldnt that kind of be like praying to your microwave oven for them??
When those whom do not believe in God tells someone going thru hard times " you are in my prayers"
Just who is being prayed to?
wouldnt that kind of be like praying to your microwave oven for them??
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trish123: Useless as a form of social control in the face of modern perceptions is quite different from the original intent of 'control' of primitive peoples - fortunately, many of us have moved on..........
as rule for character and behavior in times when you just can't grasp whats going on or what to do, asking yourself perhaps "what would a good person do in this case?" Good - do we only have the biblical concept of 'good' - I dont think so - I have been a 'good' person for as long as I remember, I continually apraise my behaviour, probably a lot more than most in fact - I do judge myself quite harshly but not by Christian principles - this doesnt mean that I am not 'good' though some of my principles do cross over with this Christian ethic for sure - I stay celibate but this I see as a principle of self worth rather than a principle of Christianity - many of the principles of Christianity are plaigiarised from earlier religions anyway......
Dont forget that my Heroine is Boudicca........... she fought the Roman conquest of Britain - and she did it with style and principles - they havent gone out of fashion or been usurped by any of the ideologies which attempted to put them on the backburner........
as rule for character and behavior in times when you just can't grasp whats going on or what to do, asking yourself perhaps "what would a good person do in this case?" Good - do we only have the biblical concept of 'good' - I dont think so - I have been a 'good' person for as long as I remember, I continually apraise my behaviour, probably a lot more than most in fact - I do judge myself quite harshly but not by Christian principles - this doesnt mean that I am not 'good' though some of my principles do cross over with this Christian ethic for sure - I stay celibate but this I see as a principle of self worth rather than a principle of Christianity - many of the principles of Christianity are plaigiarised from earlier religions anyway......
Dont forget that my Heroine is Boudicca........... she fought the Roman conquest of Britain - and she did it with style and principles - they havent gone out of fashion or been usurped by any of the ideologies which attempted to put them on the backburner........
Actually I have been deliberately trying to avoid any association with organized religion and or a biblical god, looking at this from a spiritual bent.
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BnaturAl: Actually I have been deliberately trying to avoid any association with organized religion and or a biblical god, looking at this from a spiritual bent.
Theres no denying that the concept is a good "focal point for spirituality" - its just that it isnt the be all and end all of spirituality, it is 'one' concept of many and if one is valid then they all must be - either that or none of them are
hocus pokus I need a smokus
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rasgumby: I have to ask this.
When those whom do not believe in God tells someone going thru hard times " you are in my prayers"
Just who is being prayed to?
wouldnt that kind of be like praying to your microwave oven for them??
When those whom do not believe in God tells someone going thru hard times " you are in my prayers"
Just who is being prayed to?
wouldnt that kind of be like praying to your microwave oven for them??
I dont pray for people Ras, I send positive energies
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Aries01: When Jesus came to 'save us' it was not just in the sense of giving us the means to get into 'heaven' it was also to save us from ourselves...we need saving from ourselves... when we do it on our own we f**k up.... if we lived our lives by the thruth.. we would experience living salvation... so in that sense alone... absolutely its useful
Hiya B
Hiya B
Orla, I am always amazed with that saving aspect, someone who doesnt know me, some 2000 years ago somehow knows there will be a need to save me. If this person being all powerful knows such things he/she certainly knows who will and wont accept that saving which in my book of reason negates the need for living life itself.
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j_goose71: Not.
It blinds people and makes them sheeple. And it allows people to blame an invisible diety for the wrongs of the world.
The idea of free will isn't real when discussing god. Here's why....
You can only recieve salvation if you honor, worship,and obey, the "God-man". That is not free will. Free will would be recieving salvation for just living a good moral life. Not because you are forced into worship.
In allowing God to be a spiritual focal point, it tends to pit one person against another. (Religious "my way or the highway" mentality) It's delisional, IMO, to follow an invisible man.
Don't get me wrong, the myth provides a good moral compass for us to follow, but I can get that on my own. It's called being a good human being.
JMO of course.
Good to see ya Al
It blinds people and makes them sheeple. And it allows people to blame an invisible diety for the wrongs of the world.
The idea of free will isn't real when discussing god. Here's why....
You can only recieve salvation if you honor, worship,and obey, the "God-man". That is not free will. Free will would be recieving salvation for just living a good moral life. Not because you are forced into worship.
In allowing God to be a spiritual focal point, it tends to pit one person against another. (Religious "my way or the highway" mentality) It's delisional, IMO, to follow an invisible man.
Don't get me wrong, the myth provides a good moral compass for us to follow, but I can get that on my own. It's called being a good human being.
JMO of course.
Good to see ya Al
I agree, all to often it is used at a crutch to blame things on when the truth it that most of the worlds problems and that of the people that inhabit it are of someones making.
When gods brought into the equasion people are asked to follow blindly without a proper explanaition and led down the path to deception.
In other words when someone says its gods will when a ferry sinks killing hundreds their asking really not to look at the ferry owner, the insurance, the maintenance or who operates the ferry for a business.
After all the ferry didnt sink because it wasnt maintained, it was overloaded and it wasnt insured.Nodody call for the arrest of the boat owner and charge him with manslaughter.
No it was an act of god..........
And when the politicians do it its on an even bigger scale.
A total utter disgrace and should be removed from any governments powers of legslature.
Anyone would think i dont trust some people
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rasgumby: I have to ask this.
When those whom do not believe in God tells someone going thru hard times " you are in my prayers"
Just who is being prayed to?
wouldnt that kind of be like praying to your microwave oven for them??
When those whom do not believe in God tells someone going thru hard times " you are in my prayers"
Just who is being prayed to?
wouldnt that kind of be like praying to your microwave oven for them??
I like the way you think, Ras.
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RobbieM:
In other words when someone says its gods will when a ferry sinks killing hundreds their asking really not to look at the ferry owner, the insurance, the maintenance or who operates the ferry for a business.
In other words when someone says its gods will when a ferry sinks killing hundreds their asking really not to look at the ferry owner, the insurance, the maintenance or who operates the ferry for a business.
Really, that is not such a bad idea, asking people not to get into the blame game. Most only do for it the insurance and getting huge payoffs to make up for an accidental loss of life. If it wasn't an accident or human error I'd think differently but in most cases the blame game is a selfish money grab. We can always find blame but for what purpose?
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rasgumby: I have to ask this.
When those whom do not believe in God tells someone going thru hard times " you are in my prayers"
Just who is being prayed to?
wouldnt that kind of be like praying to your microwave oven for them??
When those whom do not believe in God tells someone going thru hard times " you are in my prayers"
Just who is being prayed to?
wouldnt that kind of be like praying to your microwave oven for them??
I think your defintion of prayer is too narrow.
On the other hand if you do beleive in god and that he created all things, then I am sure microwaves are on that list.. ------ This thread is Archived ------
rasgumby: I have to ask this.
When those whom do not believe in God tells someone going thru hard times " you are in my prayers"
Just who is being prayed to?
wouldnt that kind of be like praying to your microwave oven for them??
When those whom do not believe in God tells someone going thru hard times " you are in my prayers"
Just who is being prayed to?
wouldnt that kind of be like praying to your microwave oven for them??
Personalization of the source of energy one connects to in prayer is the simplist way to teach.... especially with children......
The language in which we connect with one another must be consistent, so the ideaology of personalization of the ultimate positive energy source personified must be preserved, lest one disconnects oneself from children and younger adults......or others for ease of communication.... In addition, an energy source personified also makes it easier to feel at ease in conveying of thoughts one wishes to will into reality.......as well as teach others how to tap it..... The "who" with which you relate is not anything more than a means to covey the idea of positive consciousness in a way that simplifies it for all to understand...... a common denominator of language and communication. There is no guy sitting in a big chair high up in the clouds...... even if we would like to think there is.......
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