GOD is a Notion, Useful or Not? (163)
letitroll: Personalization of the source of energy one connects to in prayer is the simplist way to teach.... especially with children......
The language in which we connect with one another must be consistent, so the ideaology of personalization of the ultimate positive energy source personified must be preserved, lest one disconnects oneself from children and younger adults......or others for ease of communication.... In addition, an energy source personified also makes it easier to feel at ease in conveying of thoughts one wishes to will into reality.......as well as teach others how to tap it..... The "who" with which you relate is not anything more than a means to covey the idea of positive consciousness in a way that simplifies it for all to understand...... a common denominator of language and communication. There is no guy sitting in a big chair high up in the clouds...... even if we would like to think there is.......
The language in which we connect with one another must be consistent, so the ideaology of personalization of the ultimate positive energy source personified must be preserved, lest one disconnects oneself from children and younger adults......or others for ease of communication.... In addition, an energy source personified also makes it easier to feel at ease in conveying of thoughts one wishes to will into reality.......as well as teach others how to tap it..... The "who" with which you relate is not anything more than a means to covey the idea of positive consciousness in a way that simplifies it for all to understand...... a common denominator of language and communication. There is no guy sitting in a big chair high up in the clouds...... even if we would like to think there is.......
while most of what you say waxes poetic for me, the last line conveys a dubious truth that is unproveable, therefore not truthful, as to yes there is, no there isn't. Other than that I think you've nailed the apsect of prayer/meditation/living, using notions and or archetypes. JMHO
Those archetypes, whether they be jesus or aesop or ghandi, are useful, whether or not they are real or imagined, because they deal with characteristics of those whom we feel have a right sense of things.
I think this brings people together, by far, more than religion ever could, in fact things get contensious only when we leave the simplistic facts and begin to argue the existence of things we cannot prove one way or the other.
In fact that 'sense of things' is what binds us as humans, regardless of faith or chosen deity.
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trish123: Aries has only recently embraced Christianity and I do not deny that there are 'progressive' Christians - its simply that they do deny me my beliefs - I personally know many intelligent people who adhere to one religion or another, seemingly, intelligence isnt a prerequisite anyway as blind faith doesnt require too much of that......
Thats true Trish.. while it has been a life journey, the commitment has been a recent one.. so as you can imagine it wasn't a decision that was taken lightly LOL
..You are very correct also in saying that intelligence isn't a prerequisite in fact in my experience, intelligence or the inclination to over-intellectualize can be more of a hinderance than a help, when it comes to matters of a Spriritual nature.... the answers are very often alot more simple than our complicated minds expect them to be... 'Love'... that one word for example.. covers a multitude...
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A synonym of notion is whim, and blind faith in God deserves to be declared as more than just a notion. God can be proven and seen in every miracle that was or will ever be. I am not a religious fanatic, I have little to no faith in religion. I believe in God because I have received too many blessings to deny him.
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letitroll: covey the idea of positive consciousness in a way that simplifies it for all to understand...... a common denominator of language and communication. There is no guy sitting in a big chair high up in the clouds...... even if we would like to think there is.......
Good pont....prayers are just a means of transferring positive energy. It's up to the individual to come out of a situaiton or it can be up to destiny at that point and time..whether it is time to go or not or be or become....
In related news, Bruce Lee was paralyzed for six months....he used the power of thought to will himself back to recovery....maybe the prayers that sent positive energy helped fuel his positive thoughts and beliefs as to recovering 100 percent.
Prayers brings a sense of peace to individuals....with hope as the biggest motivation.
With that said, a million prayers wil not help change one's personal destiny....it can only send positive waves to that individuals source to gain strenght to break on through.....
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Aries01: When Jesus came to 'save us' it was not just in the sense of giving us the means to get into 'heaven' it was also to save us from ourselves...we need saving from ourselves... when we do it on our own we f**k up.... if we lived our lives by the thruth.. we would experience living salvation... so in that sense alone... absolutely its useful
Hiya B
Hiya B
Errr... I mean 'truth'....
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Aries01: When Jesus came to 'save us' it was not just in the sense of giving us the means to get into 'heaven' it was also to save us from ourselves...we need saving from ourselves... when we do it on our own we f**k up.... if we lived our lives by the thruth.. we would experience living salvation... so in that sense alone... absolutely its useful
Hiya B
Hiya B
Hi Orla
I don't believe I need salvation or to be saved from myself. I've always had the sense that I and only I am responsible for my own actions and know right from wrong.
The idea of salvation is part of a learned notion that we're inherantly bad from birth and need saving. I see that as more of a way of controlling thrrough guilt than anything else.
I was born good. Damn good actually, and learned all the bad along the way.
As I feel we all were.
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wow aries
im glad youre in an openly spirit filled church
people look for the supernatural experience thru so many methods
i have as well
the relationship i have entered as a christian
i have found it to be the most supernatural
anyway im out
bye guys
by Al
im glad youre in an openly spirit filled church
people look for the supernatural experience thru so many methods
i have as well
the relationship i have entered as a christian
i have found it to be the most supernatural
anyway im out
bye guys
by Al
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byE Al
good time to leave my fingers are gettin lame-ish
byE Al
good time to leave my fingers are gettin lame-ish
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Aries01: I have come across some pretty amazing stuff also in my church... one day during worship a girl started speaking in tongues... in Greek.... comprehensible Greek even though she never spoke Greek in her life... one of the other girls there (from Greece) was able to translate it.. can't remember exactly now but something about God calling all his children to build his church.. or something to that effect.... this kind of strikes a chord with me.. cause I can recognise it... there is something very significant happening around us.. these are significant times... I myself felt a calling.. but apart from that.. there is a real hunger out there... more and more people are feeling a STRONG need to search the truth... just even look at CS.. just how often are we debating the existence of God.... this is no accident.. IMHO
Yes! It is no accident indeed...
Good to see you Aries!
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kidatheart: Hi Orla I don't believe I need salvation or to be saved from myself. I've always had the sense that I and only I am responsible for my own actions and know right from wrong.
The idea of salvation is part of a learned notion that we're inherantly bad from birth and need saving. I see that as more of a way of controlling thrrough guilt than anything else.
I was born good. Damn good actually, and learned all the bad along the way.
As I feel we all were.
The idea of salvation is part of a learned notion that we're inherantly bad from birth and need saving. I see that as more of a way of controlling thrrough guilt than anything else.
I was born good. Damn good actually, and learned all the bad along the way.
As I feel we all were.
Indeed you are Kid.. in fact you are one of my most favourite people here.. ... do you never feel a little sad for the state of the world though... and just how lost people are... go to see a film 'gone, baby gone'...... that film will show you some of the harsh realities of this world that we live in... Self preservation, materialism and greed are our main motivators in these times.. and the ones that lose out and are hurt by our way of life are the poor and the weak and the vulnerable...these are the very people that we should be looking after...------ This thread is Archived ------
gorgeous210: Yes! It is no accident indeed...
Good to see you Aries!
Good to see you Aries!
Hiya
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mindfful: wow aries
im glad youre in an openly spirit filled church
people look for the supernatural experience thru so many methods
i have as well
the relationship i have entered as a christian
i have found it to be the most supernatural
anyway im out
bye guys
by Al
im glad youre in an openly spirit filled church
people look for the supernatural experience thru so many methods
i have as well
the relationship i have entered as a christian
i have found it to be the most supernatural
anyway im out
bye guys
by Al
Oh could tell you stories.... some pretty amazing stuff has happened in our church.. most of it unbelievable!!!..
...Hiya
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kidatheart: Hi Orla I don't believe I need salvation or to be saved from myself. I've always had the sense that I and only I am responsible for my own actions and know right from wrong.
The idea of salvation is part of a learned notion that we're inherantly bad from birth and need saving. I see that as more of a way of controlling thrrough guilt than anything else.
I was born good. Damn good actually, and learned all the bad along the way.
As I feel we all were.
The idea of salvation is part of a learned notion that we're inherantly bad from birth and need saving. I see that as more of a way of controlling thrrough guilt than anything else.
I was born good. Damn good actually, and learned all the bad along the way.
As I feel we all were.
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Aries01: I have come across some pretty amazing stuff also in my church... one day during worship a girl started speaking in tongues... in Greek.... comprehensible Greek even though she never spoke Greek in her life... one of the other girls there (from Greece) was able to translate it.. can't remember exactly now but something about God calling all his children to build his church.. or something to that effect.... this kind of strikes a chord with me.. cause I can recognise it... there is something very significant happening around us.. these are significant times... I myself felt a calling.. but apart from that.. there is a real hunger out there... more and more people are feeling a STRONG need to search the truth... just even look at CS.. just how often are we debating the existence of God.... this is no accident.. IMHO
Ummm honey .. I dont think its that significant. Life today is no more suignificant than it was thousands of years ago when they too were debating, indeed fighting over the existence of god. That is how all this started. I just think its an exageration again based on your perception. History is the same when it comes to god and religion and I'd bet it will be in a hundred years as well. The only significance I can see is that now WE are the ones in it. Sorry, our search is no less nor more significant then it was way back when egor dragged berta into the cave after praying before some dum rock.
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it's a wonderful control mechanism. Other than that...it serves no use
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hi B .. one cool thread.
Its definitely a useful notion depending on the way we treat it.Think of in terms of elite masses .. learned followers ... the "notion" calls for a deeper scrutiny in to a lot of material and happenings related to the supernatural or in general terms .. mattersof spirituality ... which i would consider a fantastic learning and evolving process.
But god is more of a strong driving and binding force in a large following of people who are deprived of education and basic needs in life .. esp. in developing countries where one has a life of struggle on a daily basis. This is where the notion is most powerful and positive ... it gives you the strength to hope and feel positive for a tommorow.
Its definitely a useful notion depending on the way we treat it.Think of in terms of elite masses .. learned followers ... the "notion" calls for a deeper scrutiny in to a lot of material and happenings related to the supernatural or in general terms .. mattersof spirituality ... which i would consider a fantastic learning and evolving process.
But god is more of a strong driving and binding force in a large following of people who are deprived of education and basic needs in life .. esp. in developing countries where one has a life of struggle on a daily basis. This is where the notion is most powerful and positive ... it gives you the strength to hope and feel positive for a tommorow.
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Aries01: Indeed you are Kid.. in fact you are one of my most favourite people here.. ... do you never feel a little sad for the state of the world though... and just how lost people are... go to see a film 'gone, baby gone'...... that film will show you some of the harsh realities of this world that we live in... Self preservation, materialism and greed are our main motivators in these times.. and the ones that lose out and are hurt by our way of life are the poor and the weak and the vulnerable...these are the very people that we should be looking after...
Self preservation is an instinct, and a good thing too. The greed and materialism isn't so good, but it is learned behaviour that can be unlearned, if one wants too.
It's not a matter of not caring about others but we're not responsible for the state of the world all on our own. It has to be a combined effort, which unfortunately I don't see happening anytime soon. Too many trying to keep everyone divided, including religion.
Help out where you can make a difference, but don't feel guilty about the way the rest of the planet lives. It's not your fault.
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BnaturAl: if you attribute everything to god (unless god is energy, all things, including you) then you lose free will
if god selectively chooses who to listen to and whom to grant wishes to, once again you lose free will and waste your time praying.
if god selectively chooses who to listen to and whom to grant wishes to, once again you lose free will and waste your time praying.
I choose God all the time. Yes it is my Free Will.. I don't push my thinking on you you have your opinion why should I try to change it,but I will express my opinion..
Are you frustrated or something B.N ( Tolerence is good remember)
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BnaturAl: if you attribute everything to god (unless god is energy, all things, including you) then you lose free will
if god selectively chooses who to listen to and whom to grant wishes to, once again you lose free will and waste your time praying.
if god selectively chooses who to listen to and whom to grant wishes to, once again you lose free will and waste your time praying.
Please clarify is God energy?
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it is one of the best notions
the most useful one
if you belive in trhe existance of a god, then it helps your jurney in life
but that is only for some people
the greates use of god is for starting a fight and arguments
those that belive in gad will pick in the ones that do nt belive in god and will preach to them
the ones that do not belive in god will pick on the others for their belive
have you ever seen another three word letter that can turn as much as positive feeling in peole as negative at the same time
food for your thoughts