GOD is a Notion, Useful or Not? ( Archived) (163)

Jun 9, 2008 2:47 PM CST GOD is a Notion, Useful or Not?
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
riyablossom: hi B .. one cool thread.

Its definitely a useful notion depending on the way we treat it.Think of in terms of elite masses .. learned followers ... the "notion" calls for a deeper scrutiny in to a lot of material and happenings related to the supernatural or in general terms .. mattersof spirituality ... which i would consider a fantastic learning and evolving process.

But god is more of a strong driving and binding force in a large following of people who are deprived of education and basic needs in life .. esp. in developing countries where one has a life of struggle on a daily basis. This is where the notion is most powerful and positive ... it gives you the strength to hope and feel positive for a tommorow.


hello T ! wave

I agree and think our only discrepancy would be who or what god is. That in and of itself has no real application to what you said, because who or what can be anything from the most high being, to each of us, to all of life encompassed,-- the point still remains one of aspiring and evolving to a state what we call good. Wheteher we choose a notion or an abstract reality (can I say that?) the goal remains the same for those who have that notion.
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Jun 9, 2008 2:52 PM CST GOD is a Notion, Useful or Not?
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
gorgeous210: I choose God all the time. Yes it is my Free Will.. I don't push my thinking on you you have your opinion why should I try to change it,but I will express my opinion..

Are you frustrated or something B.N ( Tolerence is good remember)


rolling on the floor laughing women think from a conceptual point of view where there is only grey, where somehow, reason and nonsense are the same thing. I was only trying to make a point in that you cant have free will if everything happens because a god deems it so. makes sense.

SO, you can have your view, Im just questioning how you rectify seemingly opposing reason. Not every challenge to your opinion is intollerance.. wave
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Jun 9, 2008 2:59 PM CST GOD is a Notion, Useful or Not?
riyablossom
riyablossomriyablossomsomewhere, Pennsylvania USA184 Threads 18 Polls 11,244 Posts
BnaturAl: hello T !

I agree and think our only discrepancy would be who or what god is. That in and of itself has no real application to what you said, because who or what can be anything from the most high being, to each of us, to all of life encompassed,-- the point still remains one of aspiring and evolving to a state what we call good. Wheteher we choose a notion or an abstract reality (can I say that?) the goal remains the same for those who have that notion.


precisely .. considering God as anyone or anything or in any form or as a force .. its by the virtue of evolution of the entire persona or concept .. very large and with no clear unanimous description.

So ... i see it positive .. as facilitation of positive thinking and behavior.
Though the reverse too happens which is the other extreme.
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Jun 9, 2008 3:00 PM CST GOD is a Notion, Useful or Not?
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
gorgeous210: Please clarify is God energy?


we are all, that is all living things including our planet and the universe surrouned by energy, evidenced by kurlain photgraphy. This energy is the same energy that spews from the center of the universe, as evidenced by pictures taken of the universe. A plasma if you will.

For me this is what god is, all living things, the universe. Based soley on facts at my disposal. I am not saying it is the be all and end all, again just based on facts at my disposal.

The properties of energy that we learned in high school, you'll note have the very same properties that we associate with god and have for ages ... he is everywhere, all knowing all powerful, cannot be created or destroyed, always was always is ... that's just a few of those properties of energy and of god. It becomes reasonable, though not conclusive to then say god = energy and or god is us.

cheers
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Jun 9, 2008 3:00 PM CST GOD is a Notion, Useful or Not?
gorgeous210
gorgeous210gorgeous210Galway, Ireland2 Threads 398 Posts
StressFree: yes, I think prayers and positive thinking are very similar...basically the same thing in a sense. The thoughts are projected out in the universe to the source. Sometimes prayers are answered, sometimes they are not...as you would percieve it. Ultimately, when something is meant to be, it's going to be or it is not going to be despite the positve thoughts or prayers. It runs on a levely beyond our understanding. It is contigent on one's karma and personal journey...imo. God obviously does not answer all prayers...and there is a reason for this. Think about it on a deeper level and outside the box.

BTW, Bruce Lee did not pray....her you go:
"Lee felt that anything which substituted the ways or beliefs of others in the place of teaching you how to cultivate your own was a step in the wrong direction. For this reason, Lee was opposed to the doctrines--or rather the dogmas--of organized religion.

When asked by journalist Alex Ben Block in the summer of 1972 what his religious affiliation was, Lee answered: 'None whatsoever.' "

Bruce Lee saved himself with the power of positive healing thought and visualization.



Yes! Positive thinking can have a positive effect on someones life and help a person to stay helthy in general,ie have less negative stresses in their life.

But miricles are when something happens and there is no explanation for it,which there are many happening all over the world and this I believe to be the power of prayer.
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Jun 9, 2008 3:02 PM CST GOD is a Notion, Useful or Not?
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
riyablossom: precisely .. considering God as anyone or anything or in any form or as a force .. its by the virtue of evolution of the entire persona or concept .. very large and with no clear unanimous description.

So ... i see it positive .. as facilitation of positive thinking and behavior.
Though the reverse too happens which is the other extreme.


Indeed.

Accessing the 'notion' of either positive or negative will yeild results, not always what you want.
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Jun 9, 2008 3:04 PM CST GOD is a Notion, Useful or Not?
gorgeous210
gorgeous210gorgeous210Galway, Ireland2 Threads 398 Posts
BnaturAl: women think from a conceptual point of view where there is only grey, where somehow, reason and nonsense are the same thing. I was only trying to make a point in that you cant have free will if everything happens because a god deems it so. makes sense.

SO, you can have your view, Im just questioning how you rectify seemingly opposing reason. Not every challenge to your opinion is intollerance..


Yes I realise that.frustrated wink
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Jun 9, 2008 3:06 PM CST GOD is a Notion, Useful or Not?
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
gorgeous210: Yes I realise that.


handshake frustrated hug





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Jun 9, 2008 3:08 PM CST GOD is a Notion, Useful or Not?
gorgeous210
gorgeous210gorgeous210Galway, Ireland2 Threads 398 Posts
Ha ha Yeplaugh wave
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Jun 9, 2008 3:15 PM CST GOD is a Notion, Useful or Not?
riyablossom
riyablossomriyablossomsomewhere, Pennsylvania USA184 Threads 18 Polls 11,244 Posts
BnaturAl: Indeed.

arent we agreeing to much ? laugh

Accessing the 'notion' of either positive or negative will yeild results, not always what you want.
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Jun 9, 2008 3:16 PM CST GOD is a Notion, Useful or Not?
riyablossom
riyablossomriyablossomsomewhere, Pennsylvania USA184 Threads 18 Polls 11,244 Posts
ohh i meant .... arent we agreeing to much
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Jun 9, 2008 3:18 PM CST GOD is a Notion, Useful or Not?
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
riyablossom: ohh i meant .... arent we agreeing to much



rolling on the floor laughing putting words in my mowff laugh
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Jun 9, 2008 3:31 PM CST GOD is a Notion, Useful or Not?
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
gorgeous210: Yes! Positive thinking can have a positive effect on someones life and help a person to stay helthy in general,ie have less negative stresses in their life.

But miricles are when something happens and there is no explanation for it,which there are many happening all over the world and this I believe to be the power of prayer.


Yes, the most determining effect comes from the individual himself/herslef, and postive ways sent to the individuals source can only help. But if that individual has lost hope, a billion prayers will not help...unless a mircale happens....a concept taken from a fatalist perspective....

I have much more to say about this. I have been very incoherent and have not clarified myself properly...give me an hour or so. I am currently busy and working on a project...sorry for my sloppiness and scattered thoughts.

I'll be back...
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Jun 9, 2008 3:37 PM CST GOD is a Notion, Useful or Not?
gorgeous210
gorgeous210gorgeous210Galway, Ireland2 Threads 398 Posts
StressFree: Yes, the most determining effect comes from the individual himself/herslef, and postive ways sent to the individuals source can only help. But if that individual has lost hope, a billion prayers will not help...unless a mircale happens....a concept taken from a fatalist perspective....

I have much more to say about this. I have been very incoherent and have not clarified myself properly...give me an hour or so. I am currently busy and working on a project...sorry for my sloppiness and scattered thoughts.

I'll be back...



Thats ok S.F! its good to debate and get differing views on the subject,we all have different opinions and perspectives! Its not sloppy at all!

I still thinks I'm right of courselaugh wave

Tired now myself

wine
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Jun 9, 2008 3:47 PM CST GOD is a Notion, Useful or Not?
Aries01
Aries01Aries01Kent, England UK47 Threads 4 Polls 2,732 Posts
BnaturAl: Indeed.

Accessing the 'notion' of either positive or negative will yeild results, not always what you want.


One example of where Gods supreme will and our will collide is for example where one prays for a sign or wisdom.. God will give it to us if we ask for it..but it is up to us whether or not we use it.. happened fairly recently with me.. I had asked for a sign, cause I was confused about this guy who seemed really nice, but I was unsure was he genuine.... he (God) gave me a number of signs... obvious ones (emails from people.. clues from the persons own mouth).. but I chose to ignore them.. cause I didn't want to believe the truth.. it was kinda like I'd get a sign.. and I would be like.. .no not thats not the sign I want laugh.. in the end I woke up one morning and the first thought that came into my head was ' I have given you signs, u shall see them with open eyes'...

You see we have free will... we chose our path, and we often choose the wrong one against better judgment because ultimately it is within our power to do so.. we are the ones leading our lives... we are the vessels of our lives...
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Jun 9, 2008 3:51 PM CST GOD is a Notion, Useful or Not?
kidatheart
kidatheartkidatheartFruitvale, British Columbia Canada30 Threads 16,544 Posts
Aries01: One example of where Gods supreme will and our will collide is for example where one prays for a sign or wisdom.. God will give it to us if we ask for it..but it is up to us whether or not we use it.. happened fairly recently with me.. I had asked for a sign, cause I was confused about this guy who seemed really nice, but I was unsure was he genuine.... he (God) gave me a number of signs... obvious ones (emails from people.. clues from the persons own mouth).. but I chose to ignore them.. cause I didn't want to believe the truth.. it was kinda like I'd get a sign.. and I would be like.. .no not thats not the sign I want .. in the end I woke up one morning and the first thought that came into my head was ' I have given you signs, u shall see them with open eyes'...

You see we have free will... we chose our path, and we often choose the wrong one against better judgment because ultimately it is within our power to do so.. we are the ones leading our lives... we are the vessels of our lives...



Is that god or gut instinct?hmmm

Internal or external?grin

hug
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Jun 9, 2008 3:53 PM CST GOD is a Notion, Useful or Not?
gorgeous210
gorgeous210gorgeous210Galway, Ireland2 Threads 398 Posts
Aries01: One example of where Gods supreme will and our will collide is for example where one prays for a sign or wisdom.. God will give it to us if we ask for it..but it is up to us whether or not we use it.. happened fairly recently with me.. I had asked for a sign, cause I was confused about this guy who seemed really nice, but I was unsure was he genuine.... he (God) gave me a number of signs... obvious ones (emails from people.. clues from the persons own mouth).. but I chose to ignore them.. cause I didn't want to believe the truth.. it was kinda like I'd get a sign.. and I would be like.. .no not thats not the sign I want .. in the end I woke up one morning and the first thought that came into my head was ' I have given you signs, u shall see them with open eyes'...

You see we have free will... we chose our path, and we often choose the wrong one against better judgment because ultimately it is within our power to do so.. we are the ones leading our lives... we are the vessels of our lives...



That is great that happened for you Aries,I'm sure it saved alot of heartache and worry..

How come that doesn't happen to meconfused I mean I do get direction of sorts but not as clear as that. Got to listen harder me thinks.applause applause applause
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Jun 9, 2008 3:57 PM CST GOD is a Notion, Useful or Not?
Aries01
Aries01Aries01Kent, England UK47 Threads 4 Polls 2,732 Posts
gorgeous210: Yes! Positive thinking can have a positive effect on someones life and help a person to stay helthy in general,ie have less negative stresses in their life.

But miricles are when something happens and there is no explanation for it,which there are many happening all over the world and this I believe to be the power of prayer.


My brother is a Christian too and he has the power of healing through prayer.. am just off the phone to him actually... he was telling me of two instances where prayer has defied medical science... one instance is with a friend of his (I met this girl... she exists) she was diagnosed with Breast Cancer and was being treated in the hospital where he works (he is a medical professional).. anyway.. when he first became a Christian about 18 years ago, she asked him to pray for her when she received results of a biopsy diagnosing a cancerous tumour... he did, he prayed for her and when he did he got a strange feeling go up through him, which he didn't understand, he didn't mention anything to her (becuase he didn't fully understand it himself) because he didn't want to give her false hope.. but when she went shortly after for an x-ray the tumour had gone... completely.. she had not even received treatment yet... she was x-rayed in the hospital where he works so he got to see the results.. the doctors were baffled...

Another time was for a Poet friend of his, who's twins were born premature with holes in their heart and underdeveloped lungs... he prayed for them, and again they miraculously recovered.. I know people doubt this kind of stuff.. but it does happen.. more often than people think..

hug hug
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Jun 9, 2008 3:59 PM CST GOD is a Notion, Useful or Not?
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
Aries01: One example of where Gods supreme will and our will collide is for example where one prays for a sign or wisdom.. God will give it to us if we ask for it..but it is up to us whether or not we use it.. happened fairly recently with me.. I had asked for a sign, cause I was confused about this guy who seemed really nice, but I was unsure was he genuine.... he (God) gave me a number of signs... obvious ones (emails from people.. clues from the persons own mouth).. but I chose to ignore them.. cause I didn't want to believe the truth.. it was kinda like I'd get a sign.. and I would be like.. .no not thats not the sign I want .. in the end I woke up one morning and the first thought that came into my head was ' I have given you signs, u shall see them with open eyes'...

You see we have free will... we chose our path, and we often choose the wrong one against better judgment because ultimately it is within our power to do so.. we are the ones leading our lives... we are the vessels of our lives...


I get those too; without believing in one omnipotent being though Aries ... and what you are talking about is consciouness, being more aware so that you can grasp those moments instead of having them pass you by ... that too can be done without reverence to an omnipotent being. conversing

dunno
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Jun 9, 2008 4:01 PM CST GOD is a Notion, Useful or Not?
Aries01
Aries01Aries01Kent, England UK47 Threads 4 Polls 2,732 Posts
gorgeous210: That is great that happened for you Aries,I'm sure it saved alot of heartache and worry..

How come that doesn't happen to me I mean I do get direction of sorts but not as clear as that. Got to listen harder me thinks.


I think it is part to do with complete trust... with complete trust your heart and your mind are open, and doubt does therefore prevent you from sensing what you are meant to sense... while I have always been intuitive.. perhaps a girl thing laugh.... as soon as I made the decision to hand over... things got all the more surprising.. I wouldn't believe half of it myself to be honest if it wasn't happening to me laugh

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