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Jul 1, 2008 7:59 PM CST Oklahoma to feds: Don't tread on me
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
State House defends its sovereignty from D.C. intrusion

© 2008 WorldNetDaily

Steamed over a perceived increase in federal usurping of states' rights, Oklahoma's House of Representatives told Washington, D.C., to back off.

Joint House Resolution 1089, passed by an overwhelming 92-3 margin, reasserts Oklahoma's sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, and, according to the resolution's own language, is "serving notice to the federal government to cease and desist certain mandates."

The Tenth Amendment states, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

Traditionally, this language has meant that the federal government is limited in its scope and cannot usurp the sovereign powers of states. In recent decades, however, as the size and reach of the federal government has expanded, many have come to question whether Washington has stepped on states' rights and gotten too big for its breeches.

Charles Key, the Republican state representative who authored the resolution, said that he introduced it because he believes the federal government's overstepping of its bounds has put our constitutional form of government in danger.

"The more we stand by and watch the federal government get involved in areas where it has no legal authority, we kill the Constitution a little at a time," Key said. "The last few decades, the Constitution has been hanging by a thread."

Specifically, Resolution 1089 says the following:

"The State of Oklahoma hereby claims sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the United States."

The resolution resolves that Oklahoma will "serve as notice and demand to the federal government, as our agent, to cease and desist, effective immediately, mandates that are beyond the scope of these constitutionally delegated powers."

The resolution does not, as some have speculated, amount to secession, but it does send a warning signal to Washington: Oklahoma does not intend to be bullied by big brother government.

The Sooner State became a hotbed of federal vs. state authority clashes earlier this month when a federal judge blocked a portion of Oklahoma's tough immigration laws, ruling that plaintiffs would likely establish that the state mandates preempted federal immigration laws.

Oklahoma's immigration statute, known as the Oklahoma Taxpayer and Citizen Protection Act of 2007, originated as House Bill 1804. It has been characterized by USA Today as "arguably the nation's toughest state law targeting illegal immigration."

The statute prohibits illegal immigrants from receiving tax-supported services and makes it a state crime to transport or harbor illegal immigrants. It also mandates that businesses take measures to verify the work eligibility of employees and independent contractors.

"We've just had a federal judge say that our immigration law's employer provisions are unconstitutional, claiming it as federal government territory," said Key in response. "That goes right to the issue of (Resolution 1089). The federal government doesn't have the right to have sole domain over that issue or many of the issues it has spilled over into."

Key said his bill "is making a difference" in the way legislators in Oklahoma are talking and thinking about state's rights. He vows to put the pressure on Oklahoma's Senate to pass a resolution like 1089, and he plans to begin communicating the cause with legislators around the country, urging them to bring up the issue in their states.

"As people who believe in this constitutional form of government," he said, "we need to bring this issue to a national level and debate."
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Jul 1, 2008 8:02 PM CST Oklahoma to feds: Don't tread on me
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA152 Threads 8 Polls 18,150 Posts
Dang, they're a major voting constituency....can they hang around until November? rolling on the floor laughing
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Jul 1, 2008 8:03 PM CST Oklahoma to feds: Don't tread on me
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
I love your political commitment HL.... wave hug
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Jul 1, 2008 10:11 PM CST Oklahoma to feds: Don't tread on me
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
trish123: I love your political commitment HL....



wave Hi Trish! Thanks girl! Sure have missed you, I have been working and not online often.

For once I am actually surprised to see that my state government is actually taking steps of affirmative action in order to try to restore our government and stand up against big government! I could hardly believe it when I read this article... made me think that there just possibly could be some hope for this Nation after all! I sure hope so!
Just when things are begining to look dreary and dim, a ray of hope shines in the darkness.
I had to finish cooking dinner and serve the family, then was on the phone for an hour, so am just returning to ask the questions I have for my fellow Americans.

Do you know if your state is seeking similar resolutions?

Would you be willing to call or write to your state officials to request that they follow suit?

Can you make a difference?


Hey, this resolution passed with a 96 to 3 vote!!! Yes, we can make a difference!!!

It's time to take action!!! Maybe it will work. Our FREEDOM is worth the effort!!!

Alll opinions are surely WELCOME, even from those around the world. I think this topic surely deserves discussion and promotion.

peace kiss
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Jul 1, 2008 10:42 PM CST Oklahoma to feds: Don't tread on me
munch
munchmunchT town, Oklahoma USA1 Threads 207 Posts
head banger
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Jul 4, 2008 7:06 AM CST Oklahoma to feds: Don't tread on me
HondoLaneNJ
HondoLaneNJHondoLaneNJtoms river, New Jersey USA4 Threads 694 Posts
I would LOVE to see a state really take the ultimate step in thumbing their nose at the fed's by seceding!

I will move out of Jersey and into that state so fast my own head would spin!

Big government has gone too far, usurped too much, and has gone far beyond what the founding fathers envisioned! They must be rolling over in their graves....
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Jul 4, 2008 7:28 AM CST Oklahoma to feds: Don't tread on me
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA152 Threads 8 Polls 18,150 Posts
HondoLaneNJ: I would LOVE to see a state really take the ultimate step in thumbing their nose at the fed's by seceding!

I will move out of Jersey and into that state so fast my own head would spin!

Big government has gone too far, usurped too much, and has gone far beyond what the founding fathers envisioned! They must be rolling over in their graves....



I've been to NJ. I don't blame you...I'd get out too. applause
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Jul 4, 2008 7:54 AM CST Oklahoma to feds: Don't tread on me
HondoLaneNJ
HondoLaneNJHondoLaneNJtoms river, New Jersey USA4 Threads 694 Posts
Indyfella: I've been to NJ. I don't blame you...I'd get out too.


LOL....the Garbage State!
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Jul 6, 2008 9:40 PM CST Oklahoma to feds: Don't tread on me
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
HondoLaneNJ: I would LOVE to see a state really take the ultimate step in thumbing their nose at the fed's by seceding!

I will move out of Jersey and into that state so fast my own head would spin!

Big government has gone too far, usurped too much, and has gone far beyond what the founding fathers envisioned! They must be rolling over in their graves....



I am all for seceding ONLY if a state gets nowhere when trying to regain control of its government.
I know that some of the Indian tribes, such as the Lakota, have filed papers in Washington announcing their independant Nation, and no longer a part of the U.S.


If I lived in Jersey... I wouldn't wait for a state to secede to get me to move out!!! I'd been gone long ago!!! There are so many place of beauty to live in, instead of being surrounded by garbage and all that traffic. motorcycle C'YA!
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Jul 6, 2008 9:47 PM CST Oklahoma to feds: Don't tread on me
Shadow_lover
Shadow_loverShadow_loverWest Palm, Florida USA41 Threads 12 Polls 1,317 Posts
Very good post, got me thinking about moving.confused
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Jul 6, 2008 9:50 PM CST Oklahoma to feds: Don't tread on me
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA152 Threads 8 Polls 18,150 Posts
HealthyLiving: I am all for seceding ONLY if a state gets nowhere when trying to regain control of its government.
I know that some of the Indian tribes, such as the Lakota, have filed papers in Washington announcing their independant Nation, and no longer a part of the U.S. If I lived in Jersey... I wouldn't wait for a state to secede to get me to move out!!! I'd been gone long ago!!! There are so many place of beauty to live in, instead of being surrounded by garbage and all that traffic. C'YA!




I think of "Joisy" as the arm pit of America....laugh
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Jul 6, 2008 10:20 PM CST Oklahoma to feds: Don't tread on me
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
Indyfella: I've been to NJ. I don't blame you...I'd get out too.


Hey Buster... very mad

Watch it, now.
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Jul 6, 2008 10:21 PM CST Oklahoma to feds: Don't tread on me
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
HL

Thanks for posting this. It's encouraging!!!
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Jul 6, 2008 11:34 PM CST Oklahoma to feds: Don't tread on me
muppetkiller
muppetkillermuppetkillerSnyder, Oklahoma USA5 Threads 310 Posts
HealthyLiving: State House defends its sovereignty from D.C. intrusion

© 2008 WorldNetDaily

Steamed over a perceived increase in federal usurping of states' rights, Oklahoma's House of Representatives told Washington, D.C., to back off.

Joint House Resolution 1089, passed by an overwhelming 92-3 margin, reasserts Oklahoma's sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, and, according to the resolution's own language, is "serving notice to the federal government to cease and desist certain mandates."

The Tenth Amendment states, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

Traditionally, this language has meant that the federal government is limited in its scope and cannot usurp the sovereign powers of states. In recent decades, however, as the size and reach of the federal government has expanded, many have come to question whether Washington has stepped on states' rights and gotten too big for its breeches.

Charles Key, the Republican state representative who authored the resolution, said that he introduced it because he believes the federal government's overstepping of its bounds has put our constitutional form of government in danger.

"The more we stand by and watch the federal government get involved in areas where it has no legal authority, we kill the Constitution a little at a time," Key said. "The last few decades, the Constitution has been hanging by a thread."

Specifically, Resolution 1089 says the following:

"The State of Oklahoma hereby claims sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the United States."

The resolution resolves that Oklahoma will "serve as notice and demand to the federal government, as our agent, to cease and desist, effective immediately, mandates that are beyond the scope of these constitutionally delegated powers."

The resolution does not, as some have speculated, amount to secession, but it does send a warning signal to Washington: Oklahoma does not intend to be bullied by big brother government.<snip>

Oklahoma's immigration statute, known as the Oklahoma Taxpayer and Citizen Protection Act of 2007, originated as House Bill 1804. It has been characterized by USA Today as "arguably the nation's toughest state law targeting illegal immigration."

The statute prohibits illegal immigrants from receiving tax-supported services and makes it a state crime to transport or harbor illegal immigrants. It also mandates that businesses take measures to verify the work eligibility of employees and independent contractors.

"We've just had a federal judge say that our immigration law's employer provisions are unconstitutional, claiming it as federal government territory," said Key in response. "That goes right to the issue of (Resolution 1089). The federal government doesn't have the right to have sole domain over that issue or many of the issues it has spilled over into."

Key said his bill "is making a difference" in the way legislators in Oklahoma are talking and thinking about state's rights. He vows to put the pressure on Oklahoma's Senate to pass a resolution like 1089, and he plans to begin communicating the cause with legislators around the country, urging them to bring up the issue in their states.

"As people who believe in this constitutional form of government," he said, "we need to bring this issue to a national level and debate."


Personally, I hate the state law. I don't think I should be a criminal for giving someone a lift. I have to check my Spanish-speaking neighbors for a visa? What about Indian accents? Should I check work cards?

What do legit cards look like?
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Jul 7, 2008 12:13 AM CST Oklahoma to feds: Don't tread on me
lorax111
lorax111lorax111richmond, Virginia USA22 Threads 2 Polls 1,002 Posts
I'm not against what this person is saying but in reality it borders on treason. I had heard of this several months ago from what I thought was some polition in mass. perhapse someone else but these words sound more like political bs ,,,It's not going to hapen.


Dennis
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Jul 7, 2008 8:59 PM CST Oklahoma to feds: Don't tread on me
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
muppetkiller: Personally, I hate the state law. I don't think I should be a criminal for giving someone a lift. I have to check my Spanish-speaking neighbors for a visa? What about Indian accents? Should I check work cards?

What do legit cards look like?



The law does not discriminate from giving someone a lift. Only from receiving State aid illegally. I have helped many illegal aliens and brought them into my home. The point of the post is to remove Federal control and return power to the State. Immigration is not the only issue at hand. Don't make yourself look state. This is Indian Nation. You seem to present yourself as ignorant when you live in a State which has Indian government and be sarcastic concerning Indian accents. This is a serious concern, not to be taken lightly.


And a personal comment to you... what do you have against muppets?
Why would you want to kill them? They are nice.
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Jul 7, 2008 9:02 PM CST Oklahoma to feds: Don't tread on me
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
Don't make yourself look state. /quote]


not "state", ignorant was the word I ment to say.
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Jul 7, 2008 9:13 PM CST Oklahoma to feds: Don't tread on me
tampa1
tampa1tampa1London, Ontario Canada56 Threads 3,057 Posts
Congrats to Oklahoma, it's about time. Good one HL
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Jul 8, 2008 3:06 PM CST Oklahoma to feds: Don't tread on me
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
tampa1: Congrats to Oklahoma, it's about time. Good one HL



wave Hey there, great to see you out and about!

Yes, I am proud of Charles Key and any others who are willing to put up a fight, stand their ground and demand things to be put back into proper order.

The State has Authority over the State, not the Feds!!! How on earth did lorax or whatever his name is, think this to be TREASON??? It surely is not. Maybe I am misunderstanding him and he ment that what the Feds are doing is TREASON?dunno I could agree with him on that one.


Glad I live in Oklahoma... and I was thinking of moving away. I may need to stick around awhile. I am really interested in what the Indians here may be cooking up... surely they have a plan too!!
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Jul 9, 2008 2:18 AM CST Oklahoma to feds: Don't tread on me
lorax111
lorax111lorax111richmond, Virginia USA22 Threads 2 Polls 1,002 Posts
HealthyLiving: Hey there, great to see you out and about!

Yes, I am proud of Charles Key and any others who are willing to put up a fight, stand their ground and demand things to be put back into proper order.

The State has Authority over the State, not the Feds!!! How on earth did lorax or whatever his name is, think this to be TREASON??? It surely is not. Maybe I am misunderstanding him and he ment that what the Feds are doing is TREASON? I could agree with him on that one.Glad I live in Oklahoma... and I was thinking of moving away. I may need to stick around awhile. I am really interested in what the Indians here may be cooking up... surely they have a plan too!!


Lorax also goes by Dennis, I live a few minuits away from the capitol of the confedericy. At one time the states had more power over what happened in their state. Around 1862 Abraham Lincon changed that with an amendment to the constitution called the Emancipation Proclamation. That sparked a civil war to argue the power of the states vs the federal goverment . The states lost. This is is an argument that is discused in blood and sacrifice, not a political plank to get votes. The rebel president and generals that lived were charged with treason.


Dennis (the treedys with the indians is a hornets nest of its own)
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