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Jul 10, 2008 8:56 AM CST Money Gods
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
For centuries Kings, Queens, Presidents et al, as far back as Roman times; have placed gods and or words of god on their currency. Subliminal advertising in plain sight?

Why is money tied to god/gods and for what purpose? conversing
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Jul 10, 2008 9:03 AM CST Money Gods
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
In God We Trust is also found on the flag of Georgia, flag of Florida, and the Seal of Florida. It was first adopted by the state of Georgia for use on flags in 2001, and subsequently included on the Georgia flag of 2003. In Florida, it became the state motto during the term of Republican governor Jeb Bush, a Roman Catholic, who signed the bill making it so into law. Starting in 2007, the phrase can also be found on the license plates of Indiana, North Carolina, South Carolina and Ohio (it can be selected among offered designs). On May 28, 2008, Florida governor Charlie Crist signed into law Senate Bill 734, which amended the state's specialty license plates law (320.08056) to include an "In God We Trust" automobile license plate as an option for residents.

WTF? god laws? what is with forced and subliminal adherence. why god? why not "in myself I trust?"

i respect religious views on god, but ... ffs ... if I'm not mistaken indulging materialism is the furthest thing from god?, so why is he geeting rammed down out throats on currency and by law???

curious hmmm
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Jul 10, 2008 9:07 AM CST Money Gods
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
BnaturAl:
i respect religious views on god, but ... ffs ... if I'm not mistaken indulging materialism is the furthest thing from god?, so why is he geeting rammed down out throats on currency and by law???

curious



haha, I guess subliminal influencing has a longer history than most folks give it credit for laugh I guess they had to find something when people started fighting against the fear tactics though conversing grin
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Jul 10, 2008 9:11 AM CST Money Gods
shipoker55
shipoker55shipoker55St. Petersburg, Florida USA211 Threads 2 Polls 9,362 Posts
Excellent thread....wish I had more to offer!!

One southren state is now offering a plate with a CROSS on it...with the wordsa I BELIEVE. The ACLU is trying to block said plate.

It's either S.Carolina or Georgia

And the state senator is putting up $4000 to get it started.

What happened to separation of church and state
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Jul 10, 2008 9:16 AM CST Money Gods
kkitty
kkittykkittyMinnesota, USA17 Threads 4 Polls 1,055 Posts
I think it is because Kings, Queens, ect....... have always had a lot of money and figured they had to justify it with the people as it was a good thing laugh
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Jul 10, 2008 9:43 AM CST Money Gods
kkitty
kkittykkittyMinnesota, USA17 Threads 4 Polls 1,055 Posts
BnaturAl: what kind of pole?

i think we should add bald before we vote on that

well thats why its a poll
if you want to add bald thats your choice laugh
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Jul 10, 2008 9:47 AM CST Money Gods
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
kkitty: well thats why its a poll
if you want to add bald thats your choice


think I'll just get a marker and scribble out god and replace it with 'bald'... wink
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Jul 10, 2008 10:07 AM CST Money Gods
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
Hysterical....

"In 1861, the Reverend M.R. Watkinson persuaded the secretary of the Treasury to try to introduce 'In God We Trust' as a motto on the coins of the land, arguing on the theological premise that in a Judeo-Christian nation, 'There is but one God.' Congress, then beginning to be responsive to the religious community and the votes that it was presumed to control, passed the Coinage Act of April 22, 1864, which designated that 'In God We Trust' be put on coins 'when and where sufficient space in the balance of the design' would permit it."

Rev. Watkinson's missive was directed to Secretary of the Treasury Samuel P. Chase. It read:

"Dear Sir: You are about to submit your annual report to the Congress respecting the affairs of the national finances.

One fact touching our currency has hitherto been seriously overlooked. I mean the recognition of the Almighty God in some form on our coins.

You are probably a Christian. What if our Republic were not shattered beyond reconstruction? Would not the antiquaries of succeeding centuries rightly reason from our past that we were a heathen nation? What I propose is that instead of the goddess of liberty we shall next inside the 13 stars a ring inscribed with the words PERPETUAL UNION; within the allseeing eye, crowned with a halo; beneath this eye the American flag bearing in its field stars equal to the number of the States united; in the folds of the bars the words GOD, LIBERTY, LAW..."
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Jul 10, 2008 10:54 AM CST Money Gods
friendsfirst
friendsfirstfriendsfirstBurbank, Illinois USA105 Threads 1 Polls 5,965 Posts
BnaturAl: good url ... but its actually been done as far back as roman times, maybe earlier as well in egypt and possibly sumerian...


What's been done?Not sure i follow.roll eyes
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Jul 10, 2008 11:12 AM CST Money Gods
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
friendsfirst: What's been done?Not sure i follow.


read the OP laugh currency having gods or god-words on it ... The US is only a recent developement in that regard. Recent on our history scale.wine
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Jul 10, 2008 11:24 AM CST Money Gods
moonfoxinthesnow
moonfoxinthesnowmoonfoxinthesnowALBUQUERQUE, New Mexico USA9 Threads 347 Posts
well I think in their mind (the ones who design and accept the designs) it solidifies the validity of the currency.
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Jul 10, 2008 11:26 AM CST Money Gods
friendsfirst
friendsfirstfriendsfirstBurbank, Illinois USA105 Threads 1 Polls 5,965 Posts
BnaturAl: read the OP currency having gods or god-words on it ... The US is only a recent developement in that regard. Recent on our history scale.


I see.thumbs up
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Jul 10, 2008 11:33 AM CST Money Gods
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
moonfoxinthesnow: well I think in their mind (the ones who design and accept the designs) it solidifies the validity of the currency.


god validates currency? OMG! ... or I mean oh my athiest! laugh

money is about as solid as tinkerbell. professor

beer
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Jul 10, 2008 7:57 PM CST Money Gods
charlos
charloscharlosBraunschweig, Lower Saxony Germany1 Threads 243 Posts
For christians there was no church without emperor during the last say 1000 years. Emperor and church were always closely connected. Nowadays in any christian country you might exchange "emperor" with "leading politicians".

It still seems to be a smart idea to combine political power with religious believes. Hence putting them together on the face of the currency looks like a "win-win" co-operation.

BUT...it needs a lot of believers to work as intended. Obviously the US government still sees it that way.
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Jul 10, 2008 8:04 PM CST Money Gods
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
indeed they do .. find me a pres who has been elected that didn't have a religious 'background' or purport to have one, its always a part of their ticket. And americans wont elect anyone who doesn't have that tie in their platform.


charlos: For christians there was no church without emperor during the last say 1000 years. Emperor and church were always closely connected. Nowadays in any christian country you might exchange "emperor" with "leading politicians".

It still seems to be a smart idea to combine political power with religious believes. Hence putting them together on the face of the currency looks like a "win-win" co-operation.

BUT...it needs a lot of believers to work as intended. Obviously the US government still sees it that way.
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Jul 10, 2008 8:14 PM CST Money Gods
gingerb
gingerbgingerbLetterkenny, Donegal Ireland7 Threads 1 Polls 4,139 Posts
BnaturAl: read the OP currency having gods or god-words on it ... The US is only a recent developement in that regard. Recent on our history scale.


People believed in nearly every culture, that kings/queens were God appointed, since monotheism started in Egypt, and probably before that for other cultures.

All money or gold belonged to the king or appointed head of a country so their face went on the coins and often lest people forget the importance of the king / queen, a God reference was put there too.
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Jul 10, 2008 8:30 PM CST Money Gods
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
gingerb: People believed in nearly every culture, that kings/queens were God appointed, since monotheism started in Egypt, and probably before that for other cultures.

All money or gold belonged to the king or appointed head of a country so their face went on the coins and often lest people forget the importance of the king / queen, a God reference was put there too.


true, but that egotistical importance is no longer a factor? yet the practice in account of money still includes the reference to god ... who's god? what god? the god of money? Its so contradictory that the only explantion now seems to be more for nefarious purpose??
cheers
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Jul 10, 2008 8:42 PM CST Money Gods
gingerb
gingerbgingerbLetterkenny, Donegal Ireland7 Threads 1 Polls 4,139 Posts
BnaturAl: true, but that egotistical importance is no longer a factor? yet the practice in account of money still includes the reference to god ... who's god? what god? the god of money? Its so contradictory that the only explantion now seems to be more for nefarious purpose??


In England the Queen is not only the metaphorical head of the church but the appointed physical head of the Church of England. Tradition plays a large part too in what goes on coins and notes.

Maybe todays use of God reference is to provide some semblance of honesty or to add a modicum of decency to a process that is almost indecent.

What God? Well that would have to be a common belief in something bigger than themselves...........

Who's God? That varies from country to country.
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Jul 10, 2008 9:17 PM CST Money Gods
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
gingerb: In England the Queen is not only the metaphorical head of the church but the appointed physical head of the Church of England. Tradition plays a large part too in what goes on coins and notes.

Maybe todays use of God reference is to provide some semblance of honesty or to add a modicum of decency to a process that is almost indecent.

What God? Well that would have to be a common belief in something bigger than themselves...........

Who's God? That varies from country to country.


well my only repsonse at this point would be that both are worthless unless you believe in them... and both are sinking in value, both are dubious in use and both are responsible for some pretty nasty stuff.

nerd uncertain
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Jul 10, 2008 11:08 PM CST Money Gods
HJFinAZ
HJFinAZHJFinAZSun CIty, Arizona USA870 Threads 1 Polls 17,068 Posts
BnaturAl: I can see everyone giving up on money then


Only if a certain Democrat gets elected..sigh


uh oh



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