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Jul 30, 2008 11:36 AM CST Work in pencil/graphite
lorax111
lorax111lorax111richmond, Virginia USA22 Threads 2 Polls 1,002 Posts
My favorite medium is pencil, its where I began. I use several mediums but my favorite is the pencil. This medium seems to not get much respect in the art world. I am rather good in my renderings but recently they were discounted as ' some scetches '.
I don't need an ego boost ( i've got awards in sculpture photagraphy and painting). What is wrong with graphite?


Dennis
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Jul 30, 2008 11:49 AM CST Work in pencil/graphite
lorax111: My favorite medium is pencil, its where I began. I use several mediums but my favorite is the pencil. This medium seems to not get much respect in the art world. I am rather good in my renderings but recently they were discounted as ' some scetches '.
I don't need an ego boost ( i've got awards in sculpture photagraphy and painting). What is wrong with graphite? Dennis
Not a Thing!
It's just that the "Wrong" Signature is on it.
I doubt Dali,Picasso and others had those problems.
It's sad that Critics set the Trend as to what Type of Art is art.
If a Critic has to decide for me what Art I ought to like,I might as well stop looking.

Quote Victor Hugo

If a writer wrote merely for his time, I would have to break my pen and throw it away.

Victor Hugo


And I suppose he included his Drawing in that as well.
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Jul 30, 2008 11:57 AM CST Work in pencil/graphite
jlw45
jlw45jlw45Moyers, Oklahoma USA66 Threads 1 Polls 15,566 Posts
Conrad73: Not a Thing!
It's just that the "Wrong" Signature is on it.
I doubt Dali,Picasso and others had those problems.
It's sad that Critics set the Trend as to what Type of Art is art.
If a Critic has to decide for me what Art I ought to like,I might as well stop looking.

Quote Victor Hugo

If a writer wrote merely for his time, I would have to break my pen and throw it away.

Victor Hugo

And I suppose he included his Drawing in that as well.
.....could'nt agree more....people get ''conditioned'' on what to like and what not to like...especially here in the u.s.
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Jul 30, 2008 12:00 PM CST Work in pencil/graphite
jlw45
jlw45jlw45Moyers, Oklahoma USA66 Threads 1 Polls 15,566 Posts
lorax111: My favorite medium is pencil, its where I began. I use several mediums but my favorite is the pencil. This medium seems to not get much respect in the art world. I am rather good in my renderings but recently they were discounted as ' some scetches '.
I don't need an ego boost ( i've got awards in sculpture photagraphy and painting). What is wrong with graphite? Dennis
...pencil is also my favorite medium...it too, is what i started with....its ashame that people don't appreciate it more...you can get alot of detail...and some pencil works can take as long as a painting to complete...especially coloured pencil......
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Jul 30, 2008 12:33 PM CST Work in pencil/graphite
lorax111
lorax111lorax111richmond, Virginia USA22 Threads 2 Polls 1,002 Posts
LOL I am certainly not going to break my pencil. Perhaps i'll just live as long as I can.


I do find that detail is important and use mechanical pencils to keep the point at a point.



Dennis ( Thanks for your support)
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Jul 30, 2008 1:25 PM CST Work in pencil/graphite
jlw45
jlw45jlw45Moyers, Oklahoma USA66 Threads 1 Polls 15,566 Posts
lorax111: LOL I am certainly not going to break my pencil. Perhaps i'll just live as long as I can. I do find that detail is important and use mechanical pencils to keep the point at a point.
Dennis ( Thanks for your support)
....lol...keep that exacto knife handy too...for some high-light detail....
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Jul 30, 2008 8:22 PM CST Work in pencil/graphite
KHD100
KHD100KHD100Edmonton, Alberta Canada129 Threads 3 Polls 2,495 Posts
lorax111: My favorite medium is pencil, its where I began. I use several mediums but my favorite is the pencil. This medium seems to not get much respect in the art world. I am rather good in my renderings but recently they were discounted as ' some scetches '.
I don't need an ego boost ( i've got awards in sculpture photagraphy and painting). What is wrong with graphite? Dennis


Absolutely Nothing.... did you look up expolight?? Artist in England.
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Jul 30, 2008 8:59 PM CST Work in pencil/graphite
Serenity1971
Serenity1971Serenity1971Serenity's Island, New York USA81 Threads 2 Polls 3,815 Posts
Actually most of the greatest artists that ever lived weren't famous until long after they were dead.

I love pencil and it will always be my first medium choice. Back in High School my art teacher would try to get me to use other mediums and I refused to. He finally admitted defeat and let me do my thing with them, he never regretted it either.
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Jul 30, 2008 9:59 PM CST Work in pencil/graphite
KHD100
KHD100KHD100Edmonton, Alberta Canada129 Threads 3 Polls 2,495 Posts
jlw45: ....lol...keep that exacto knife handy too...for some high-light detail....


Emery board or sand paper is great for keeping the lead tip at a fine point.
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Jul 30, 2008 11:19 PM CST Work in pencil/graphite
irishlass45
irishlass45irishlass45Texas USA, Texas USA52 Threads 5 Polls 4,579 Posts
lorax111: LOL I am certainly not going to break my pencil. Perhaps i'll just live as long as I can. I do find that detail is important and use mechanical pencils to keep the point at a point.
Dennis ( Thanks for your support)


what is a mechanical pencil please? my beau is an artist, i might want to get him that instead of a leatherman tool,
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Jul 30, 2008 11:34 PM CST Work in pencil/graphite
jlw45
jlw45jlw45Moyers, Oklahoma USA66 Threads 1 Polls 15,566 Posts
irishlass45: what is a mechanical pencil please? my beau is an artist, i might want to get him that instead of a leatherman tool,
thats those pecils that have the seperate leads....but, some of them are really cool....they also have ink pens in certain line wieghts....wich are really cool for getting real detailed with pen an ink work
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Jul 30, 2008 11:36 PM CST Work in pencil/graphite
irishlass45
irishlass45irishlass45Texas USA, Texas USA52 Threads 5 Polls 4,579 Posts
jlw45: thats those pecils that have the seperate leads....but, some of them are really cool....they also have ink pens in certain line wieghts....wich are really cool for getting real detailed with pen an ink work


so excuse me for being stupid in this as i have sketched before but never got technical on it, what does medium mean when talking pencils, and thanks for the info on the pencil.
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Jul 31, 2008 6:30 AM CST Work in pencil/graphite
lorax111
lorax111lorax111richmond, Virginia USA22 Threads 2 Polls 1,002 Posts
irishlass45: so excuse me for being stupid in this as i have sketched before but never got technical on it, what does medium mean when talking pencils, and thanks for the info on the pencil.


In pencils medium refers to the hardness of the lead. They are usualy referd to as numbers from one threw nine , nine being the softest lead and makes the darkest marks. One is the hardest and will make light marks, your adverage (generic) pencil is a number two. If the pencil is called medium it's one of the lower numbers.

Pencil is also a medium (Genre).


Dennis
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Jul 31, 2008 6:41 AM CST Work in pencil/graphite
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
I use pencil just for sketching out ideas. I have no problem with people using to create a final work and I have seen some fabulous stuff. Its kind of like the black and white film of photography, a simple nostalgic innocence.

I do however prefer chalk pastels (and occasionaly clay)and only because they are completely hands on. I like being able move the colours around with my fingers, smudging and blending, forming. We can do a little of that with pencil but but not as freely and not with the same results. Most mediums don't have the same tactile quality and I guess thats what I like about pastels and clay.

I understand your sketch question and that it's viewed as preliminary and just a sketch. Critics are a dime a dozen, no matter what medium you use. cool
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Jul 31, 2008 6:43 AM CST Work in pencil/graphite
arabella
arabellaarabellaNear Farmington, Maine USA98 Threads 1 Polls 6,199 Posts
Some people discount pencil or pastels because of the "smudge" factor.

Do you use any fixative spray on your finiished products??

~just a thought~
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Jul 31, 2008 6:49 AM CST Work in pencil/graphite
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
arabella: Some people discount pencil or pastels because of the "smudge" factor.

Do you use any fixative spray on your finiished products??

~just a thought~


yes I do, though I am seldom hasty about it. I just like being sure I am actually done with the work because fixative is final .. grin
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Jul 31, 2008 6:54 AM CST Work in pencil/graphite
lorax111
lorax111lorax111richmond, Virginia USA22 Threads 2 Polls 1,002 Posts
arabella: Some people discount pencil or pastels because of the "smudge" factor.

Do you use any fixative spray on your finiished products??

~just a thought~



I do not use fixative, most are not arcival. Pencil does not smudge after it's framed. Pastel however should have a fixative to keep the particles from falling off the paper.


Dennis
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Aug 1, 2008 8:36 PM CST Work in pencil/graphite
lorax111
lorax111lorax111richmond, Virginia USA22 Threads 2 Polls 1,002 Posts
lorax111: I do not use fixative, most are not arcival. Pencil does not smudge after it's framed. Pastel however should have a fixative to keep the particles from falling off the paper. Dennis



I'm a picture framer so finished pieces get framed not fixed.



Dennis
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Aug 1, 2008 8:43 PM CST Work in pencil/graphite
irishlass45
irishlass45irishlass45Texas USA, Texas USA52 Threads 5 Polls 4,579 Posts
arabella: Some people discount pencil or pastels because of the "smudge" factor.

Do you use any fixative spray on your finiished products??

~just a thought~


the englishman uses hairspray after he is through with his, lightly sprays it on after sketching.




dennis,,,,where can you get these pencils?
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Aug 1, 2008 9:34 PM CST Work in pencil/graphite
lorax111
lorax111lorax111richmond, Virginia USA22 Threads 2 Polls 1,002 Posts
irishlass45: the englishman uses hairspray after he is through with his, lightly sprays it on after sketching.

dennis,,,,where can you get these pencils?



I have heard this before, some art teachers suggest hairspray as a cheep fixitive. These two products should not be confused with each other. Do not use fixitive in your hair, it is not designed to be washed out. Hair spray however is usualy part organic and designed to be partialy absorbed and procesed to promote healthy hair. When hairspray is put on art that has no hair it invites bacteria and microrganisms that devoure the spray, produce unwelcome deposits and in general do realy bad things.
Hairspray also contains chemicals that will degrade paper, some fixatives will also do the same thing. I have heard that damar makes the best fixative, but there is allways a question as to what will happen.

Dennis
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