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Aug 29, 2008 3:00 PM CST Conservatism or Liberalism?
Businator
BusinatorBusinatorLynchburg, Virginia USA1 Threads 4 Posts
Just out of Curiosity, how many of you consider yourselves conservative and how many consider yourselves liberal and why.
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Aug 29, 2008 3:02 PM CST Conservatism or Liberalism?
Conservatively Liberal. Have to be somewhat of a Democrat come from Oregon and they don't allow total Conservatives in that state.
Really I call myself an Independent there are more issues on the Liberal side that I agree with but the Conservatives have a few that I can see their point. Neither way is without flaws. Liberals tend to be a bit more compassionate and blue collar oriented.
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Aug 29, 2008 3:37 PM CST Conservatism or Liberalism?
Spaghetti
SpaghettiSpaghettiGreensboro, North Carolina USA2 Threads 212 Posts
Foul-mouthed pagan liberal here.

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Aug 29, 2008 3:44 PM CST Conservatism or Liberalism?
SirenLydia
SirenLydiaSirenLydiaBury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England UK52 Threads 2 Polls 5,255 Posts
I support the Green Party...........peace devil
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Aug 29, 2008 3:49 PM CST Conservatism or Liberalism?
Zeelander
ZeelanderZeelanderLouisville, Kentucky USA117 Threads 8 Polls 2,942 Posts
fiscally conservative/socially liberal...... in such a way that I am a party of one.

Zee
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Aug 29, 2008 5:21 PM CST Conservatism or Liberalism?
Businator: Just out of Curiosity, how many of you consider yourselves conservative and how many consider yourselves liberal and why.



I'm just me.
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Aug 29, 2008 5:32 PM CST Conservatism or Liberalism?
shipoker58
shipoker58shipoker58Las Vegas, Nevada USA35 Threads 4,332 Posts
Well...you are from Lynchburg, so I can only assume you are ultra conservative.


I, on the other hand, am ultra liberal! Why? You ask? because I don't hate gays, blacks, hispanics, immigrants, women in authority. I truely believe every American is equal in every way. I believe in freedom of speech...even if it's stupid. I believe in no censorship...even if it's vulgar. I believe in civil liberties...even if they are abstact. I believe in freedom of religion ...as well as freedom from religion.

I believe that I shouldn't pay postage to contact my elected representatives.......since they can contact me postage free. I believe that an American should not have to go into a church in order to vote for their representatives....churches should not be used as polling places.


Those are a few reasons off the top of my head...didn't have time to really go into detail
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Aug 29, 2008 5:35 PM CST Conservatism or Liberalism?
shipoker58
shipoker58shipoker58Las Vegas, Nevada USA35 Threads 4,332 Posts
Zeelander: fiscally conservative/socially liberal...... in such a way that I am a party of one.

Zee




you realize, of course, that is an impossibility
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Aug 29, 2008 5:38 PM CST Conservatism or Liberalism?
shipoker58: Well...you are from Lynchburg, so I can only assume you are ultra conservative.I, on the other hand, am ultra liberal! Why? You ask? because I don't hate gays, blacks, hispanics, immigrants, women in authority. I truely believe every American is equal in every way. I believe in freedom of speech...even if it's stupid. I believe in no censorship...even if it's vulgar. I believe in civil liberties...even if they are abstact. I believe in freedom of religion ...as well as freedom from religion.

I believe that I shouldn't pay postage to contact my elected representatives.......since they can contact me postage free. I believe that an American should not have to go into a church in order to vote for their representatives....churches should not be used as polling places.Those are a few reasons off the top of my head...didn't have time to really go into detail


here here good job thanks for that starting at I don't hate.............
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Aug 29, 2008 6:25 PM CST Conservatism or Liberalism?
Businator: Just out of Curiosity, how many of you consider yourselves conservative and how many consider yourselves liberal and why.
Poor Choices!!!scold uh oh
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Aug 29, 2008 7:38 PM CST Conservatism or Liberalism?
Zeelander
ZeelanderZeelanderLouisville, Kentucky USA117 Threads 8 Polls 2,942 Posts
shipoker58: you realize, of course, that is an impossibility


I will give people anything but money.... any help they need.

Zeehelp
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Aug 29, 2008 8:01 PM CST Conservatism or Liberalism?
The_Kansan
The_KansanThe_KansanKnoxville, Tennessee USA476 Threads 1 Polls 4,695 Posts
shipoker58: Well...you are from Lynchburg, so I can only assume you are ultra conservative.I, on the other hand, am ultra liberal! Why? You ask? because I don't hate gays, blacks, hispanics, immigrants, women in authority. I truely believe every American is equal in every way. I believe in freedom of speech...even if it's stupid. I believe in no censorship...even if it's vulgar. I believe in civil liberties...even if they are abstact. I believe in freedom of religion ...as well as freedom from religion.

I believe that I shouldn't pay postage to contact my elected representatives.......since they can contact me postage free. I believe that an American should not have to go into a church in order to vote for their representatives....churches should not be used as polling places.Those are a few reasons off the top of my head...didn't have time to really go into detail


Hmmm... Well Starlin, it might surprise you to know that you and I actually think quite a bit alike - except that I'm middle of the road w/conservative leanings.

You've stated quite a few things that I believe in as well, except that I'd toss in a few "qualifiers" here and there - not restrictions, mind you, just qualifiers. Such as: "I believe in freedom of speech...even if it's stupid." <But I also believe I should have the freedom to not be forced to listen to it.> "I believe in no censorship...even if it's vulgar." <But I also believe that you reap what you sew and vulgarity/profanity is an ignorant person's way of expressing themselves.>

Those are the only two I'll toss out for now - mostly because they're the two most relevant, but also because I got home from a 2,800 mile week and it's suppertime! yay

Hope you had a great week and I hope even more than you have a great weekend!

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Aug 30, 2008 9:22 AM CST Conservatism or Liberalism?
shipoker58
shipoker58shipoker58Las Vegas, Nevada USA35 Threads 4,332 Posts
The_Kansan: Hmmm... Well Starlin, it might surprise you to know that you and I actually think quite a bit alike - except that I'm middle of the road w/conservative leanings.

You've stated quite a few things that I believe in as well, except that I'd toss in a few "qualifiers" here and there - not restrictions , mind you, just qualifiers. Such as: "I believe in freedom of speech...even if it's stupid." <But I also believe I should have the freedom to not be forced to listen to it. > "I believe in no censorship...even if it's vulgar." <But I also believe that you reap what you sew and vulgarity/profanity is an ignorant person's way of expressing themselves. >

Those are the only two I'll toss out for now - mostly because they're the two most relevant, but also because I got home from a 2,800 mile week and it's suppertime!

Hope you had a great week and I hope even more than you have a great weekend!


Actually...I AM surprised. But even more surprised because I agree with your two exceptions. As with stupidity....you can choose to ignore their stupidity. Anytime Al Sharpton opens his mouth, my mind goes into the ignore phase. However, when a stand-up comic uses profanity, I usually listen. One of my favorite movies is Scarface. I don't watch it sixteen million times for the profanity...but if it were blocked, the movie wouldn't have the effect it does. But when someone uses it just for the sake of using profanity....I agree that is shows their mentality.

When I drilled soldiers at the NCO academy, one of the things I taught was this. There will be no profanity used in my presence, "Strong words indicate a weak cause"...Bertrand Russell

So, I think we actually agree on all points...That should worry you!! Seek help immediately
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Aug 30, 2008 9:32 AM CST Conservatism or Liberalism?
The_Kansan
The_KansanThe_KansanKnoxville, Tennessee USA476 Threads 1 Polls 4,695 Posts
shipoker58: Actually...I AM surprised. But even more surprised because I agree with your two exceptions. As with stupidity....you can choose to ignore their stupidity. Anytime Al Sharpton opens his mouth, my mind goes into the ignore phase. However, when a stand-up comic uses profanity, I usually listen. One of my favorite movies is Scarface. I don't watch it sixteen million times for the profanity...but if it were blocked, the movie wouldn't have the effect it does. But when someone uses it just for the sake of using profanity....I agree that is shows their mentality.

When I drilled soldiers at the NCO academy, one of the things I taught was this. There will be no profanity used in my presence, "Strong words indicate a weak cause"...Bertrand Russell

So, I think we actually agree on all points...That should worry you!! Seek help immediately


Oh my! I am extremely worried! Especially because we agree on your examples as well.

Dang! If we're not careful we'll prove the old adage that "You don't have to see my side to share my point of view." Heck, who knows, we might even wind up having a deep and abiding respect for each other regardless of our differences...

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Aug 30, 2008 9:41 AM CST Conservatism or Liberalism?
HondoLaneNJ
HondoLaneNJHondoLaneNJtoms river, New Jersey USA6 Threads 1,194 Posts
In my experience, I don't think there are any 100% Liberals or 100% conservatives...everyone seems to be a bit of a mixture...I am about 60% conservative, 20% liberal, 10% revolutionary anarchist and 10% evolutionary anarchist...I think a nation that's 100% of either would be fu**ed!

I guess that's where the independents come from...I don't cower to either party...
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Aug 30, 2008 10:01 AM CST Conservatism or Liberalism?
shipoker58
shipoker58shipoker58Las Vegas, Nevada USA35 Threads 4,332 Posts
HondoLaneNJ: In my experience, I don't think there are any 100% Liberals or 100% conservatives...everyone seems to be a bit of a mixture...I am about 60% conservative, 20% liberal, 10% revolutionary anarchist and 10% evolutionary anarchist...I think a nation that's 100% of either would be fu**ed!

I guess that's where the independents come from...I don't cower to either party...



again, I agree and I dis agree. I can not vote in primaries here in Florida because I am neither Rep or Dem. I am listed as "No Party Affilliation"

But you can go to the bank on this statement. I am a liberal. 100% liberal. This does not mean, I support every liberal cause. I might even vote republican on occasion, but if I do, it's because this particular candidate supports some liberal thought. McCain being one of those people. In the beginning of his campaign, I was convinced that he had some independeny ideas, away from the republican party. I WAS prepared to support him. But as things progressed, he began leaning more and more to the right. He moved with such speed that the air current took OBama with him!!
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Aug 30, 2008 10:06 AM CST Conservatism or Liberalism?
HondoLaneNJ
HondoLaneNJHondoLaneNJtoms river, New Jersey USA6 Threads 1,194 Posts
shipoker58: again, I agree and I dis agree. I can not vote in primaries here in Florida because I am neither Rep or Dem. I am listed as "No Party Affilliation"

But you can go to the bank on this statement. I am a liberal. 100% liberal. This does not mean, I support every liberal cause. I might even vote republican on occasion, but if I do, it's because this particular candidate supports some liberal thought. McCain being one of those people. In the beginning of his campaign, I was convinced that he had some independeny ideas, away from the republican party. I WAS prepared to support him. But as things progressed, he began leaning more and more to the right. He moved with such speed that the air current took OBama with him!!


No doubt about McPain...I agree there...but the facts, to me, are simple: As a nation, we do not have unlimited means...we are going broke! I just do NOT believe that we can afford a young neophyte like Barak, who in his idealistic zeal and desire to make government All things to All people at All times, will essentially drive us over the edge financially....

We cannot afford this young idealist...this, more then *ever*, is a time for conservatism...especially fiscal conservatism...his ideas, his plans, are unworkable....they sound good(they always do, dont they?) but they won't work...

And I just don't want to pay anymore...no more taxes....shrink government, fire unnecessary government employees, downsize, downsize, downsize....if we have to live *within our means* then so do they....
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Aug 30, 2008 10:24 AM CST Conservatism or Liberalism?
shipoker58
shipoker58shipoker58Las Vegas, Nevada USA35 Threads 4,332 Posts
HondoLaneNJ: No doubt about McPain...I agree there...but the facts, to me, are simple: As a nation, we do not have unlimited means...we are going broke! I just do NOT believe that we can afford a young neophyte like Barak, who in his idealistic zeal and desire to make government All things to All people at All times, will essentially drive us over the edge financially....

We cannot afford this young idealist...this, more then *ever*, is a time for conservatism...especially fiscal conservatism...his ideas, his plans, are unworkable....they sound good(they always do, dont they?) but they won't work...

And I just don't want to pay anymore...no more taxes....shrink government, fire unnecessary government employees, downsize, downsize, downsize....if we have to live *within our means* then so do they....


aahhhhh....there is the bone of contention!! I hear that statement from many people. But how many Americans really live within their means???? Do you have credit cards? Do you have a bank loan for anything?

And I am not talking abouy you, personally, but Americans in general!!

Very few of us live within our means...and since the government is one of the people...I can't expect IT to live within it's own means, when it's constituents do not. JMO...of course
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Aug 30, 2008 11:38 AM CST Conservatism or Liberalism?
HondoLaneNJ
HondoLaneNJHondoLaneNJtoms river, New Jersey USA6 Threads 1,194 Posts
shipoker58: aahhhhh....there is the bone of contention!! I hear that statement from many people. But how many Americans really live within their means???? Do you have credit cards? Do you have a bank loan for anything?

And I am not talking abouy you, personally, but Americans in general!!

Very few of us live within our means...and since the government is one of the people...I can't expect IT to live within it's own means, when it's constituents do not. JMO...of course


No credit cards, no loans...I learn from my mistakes....I pay cash and own what I have outright...

I guess it's too much to expect government to learn from theirs? blues
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Aug 30, 2008 11:39 AM CST Conservatism or Liberalism?
mynameisvivi
mynameisvivimynameisviviMexico City, Mexico63 Posts
shipoker58: you realize, of course, that is an impossibility


I was actually just thinking the same. How is that possible? I mean you can't give welfare if you are not willing to pay for it.
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