hollandgirlOPSomewhere in Canada. B.C., British Columbia Canada4,464 posts
Should drugs, ALL drugs be free for everyone?.................
The war on drugs has been lost a loooong time ago. You read about the large catch the cops make at times. Much ado it made about it. The truth is; Not even 10% is confiscated. Think how many people would lose their job alone in the police forse already.
How much crime would be elliminated, job lose for many there too, judges, jailhouse keepers etc. etc? Anything that is iligal has more of an attraction, would it be so when you can get drugs free and anytime, anywhere?
hollandgirl: Should drugs, ALL drugs be free for everyone?.................
The war on drugs has been lost a loooong time ago. You read about the large catch the cops make at times. Much ado it made about it. The truth is; Not even 10% is confiscated. Think how many people would lose their job alone in the police forse already.
How much crime would be elliminated, job lose for many there too, judges, jailhouse keepers etc. etc? Anything that is iligal has more of an attraction, would it be so when you can get drugs free and anytime, anywhere?
And who's gonna pay for it. The Drugs and the Treatment afterward????????
hollandgirl: Should drugs, ALL drugs be free for everyone?.................
The war on drugs has been lost a loooong time ago. You read about the large catch the cops make at times. Much ado it made about it. The truth is; Not even 10% is confiscated. Think how many people would lose their job alone in the police forse already.
How much crime would be elliminated, job lose for many there too, judges, jailhouse keepers etc. etc? Anything that is iligal has more of an attraction, would it be so when you can get drugs free and anytime, anywhere?
There are some drugs that might get a bad reputation from all the publicity and such. They aren't as bad as some that I have seen. For example, pot vs. meth. Pot is a plant, and if they don't mess around with the darn stuff, it is fine. But meth is nothig but harmful chemicals and nasty stuff. It literally destroys a persons body and mind. Turns it into swiss cheese.
hollandgirlOPSomewhere in Canada. B.C., British Columbia Canada4,464 posts
Conrad73: And who's gonna pay for it. The Drugs and the Treatment afterward????????
You should be able to buy it like you can alcohol. Drugs are very cheap to make. I firmly believe that when made legal less people will start using. Mabye not in the very beginning.
hollandgirlOPSomewhere in Canada. B.C., British Columbia Canada4,464 posts
hollandgirl: You should be able to buy it like you can alcohol. Drugs are very cheap to make. I firmly believe that when made legal less people will start using. Mabye not in the very beginning.
The Canadian governement was ready to make Marijuana legal for personal use, the Americans said; NO Holland has made Marijana legal but unless all other countries follow suit it is not working.
hollandgirl: You should be able to buy it like you can alcohol. Drugs are very cheap to make. I firmly believe that when made legal less people will start using. Mabye not in the very beginning.
It would appear that , that is true , more cannabis is smoked in London per head than in Amsterdam where it is legal, I would not say make all drugs free but I would say make them all legal , the only people that benefit from a war on drugs are the dealers , the politicians and all the people the tax payer pays to enforce the laws
Damn straight they should all be legalized. If someone wants to destroy their own life that is 100% their choice. To the man that asks who is going to pay for the rehab: who do you think pays for it now? what do you think prisons are filled with? prison is almost exclusively a forced rehab ran by the gov't and has been running for decades. Everybody assumes prison&jail is murderers, rapists, etc. but this is untrue. Over 85% of prisons and jails are alcohol and drug addicts. The bottom line; Prisons are a business and huge employer in this country and if you do away with illegal drugs you do away with over a million jobs and, in turn, unemployment skyrockets in these prison towns that are economically hurting.
hollandgirl: The Canadian governement was ready to make Marijuana legal for personal use, the Americans said; NO Holland has made Marijana legal but unless all other countries follow suit it is not working.
I agree with Marijuana....not being free but legal..I don't see it as being a much harder drug than drinking but I don't agree with the harder drugs....they do too much damage to people and their lives as far as addiction goes etc....
hollandgirl: You should be able to buy it like you can alcohol. Drugs are very cheap to make. I firmly believe that when made legal less people will start using. Mabye not in the very beginning.
Legal equals less consumption? What, like alcohol?
I'm not saying I disagree with the decriminalisation of certain drugs, but I don't believe it will result in less use.
hollandgirlOPSomewhere in Canada. B.C., British Columbia Canada4,464 posts
crotalus_p: It would appear that , that is true , more cannabis is smoked in London per head than in Amsterdam where it is legal, I would not say make all drugs free but I would say make them all legal , the only people that benefit from a war on drugs are the dealers , the politicians and all the people the tax payer pays to enforce the laws
This is my point exactly; make it legal, this is what I meant by free. Yes too many people making a living from the iligal drugs to make it legal, so it is all political
hollandgirlOPSomewhere in Canada. B.C., British Columbia Canada4,464 posts
scott5306hotmail: Damn straight they should all be legalized. If someone wants to destroy their own life that is 100% their choice. To the man that asks who is going to pay for the rehab: who do you think pays for it now? what do you think prisons are filled with? prison is almost exclusively a forced rehab ran by the gov't and has been running for decades. Everybody assumes prison&jail is murderers, rapists, etc. but this is untrue. Over 85% of prisons and jails are alcohol and drug addicts. The bottom line; Prisons are a business and huge employer in this country and if you do away with illegal drugs you do away with over a million jobs and, in turn, unemployment skyrockets in these prison towns that are economically hurting.
My point too. Yes this is the real reason drugs are not made legal, too many people making a living from the drug trade. The war on drugs has been not only lost, "they" know it!
tufty: Try telling that to a brain dead dopehead Or a brain dead dopehead thats just ran into you while driving a car.....
Potheads are less likely to put up a fight. Meth heads are more likely to steal, cheat and contract Hep C, because some use needles. There are several in my area that are my age and are dealing w/ Hep C right now. They have no clue as to how it can ruin your body and you mind. By the time they try to get off of it the damage is already done.
Some may think that pot kills brain cells, but Meth turns you into a walking corpse like those film reels about WWII, when the ally's took the concentration camps. Those people stumbling around, naked and stick skinny - that is what a methhead almost looks like. Only they are a little crazier looking.
hollandgirlOPSomewhere in Canada. B.C., British Columbia Canada4,464 posts
10 Reasons to legalise all drugs comment from Transform: the campaign for effective drug policy
1 Address the real issues For too long policy makers have used prohibition as a smoke screen to avoid addressing the social and economic factors that lead people to use drugs. Most illegal and legal drug use is recreational. Poverty and despair are at the root of most problematic drug use and it is only by addressing these underlying causes that we can hope to significantly decrease the number of problematic users.
2 Eliminate the criminal market place The market for drugs is demand-led and millions of people demand illegal drugs. Making the production, supply and use of some drugs illegal creates a vacuum into which organised crime moves. The profits are worth billions of pounds. Legalisation forces organised crime from the drugs trade, starves them of income and enables us to regulate and control the market (i.e. prescription, licensing, laws on sales to minors, advertising regulations etc.)
3 Massively reduce crime The price of illegal drugs is determined by a demand-led, unregulated market. Using illegal drugs is very expensive. This means that some dependent users resort to stealing to raise funds (accounting for 50% of UK property crime - estimated at £2 billion a year). Most of the violence associated with illegal drug dealing is caused by its illegality
Legalisation would enable us to regulate the market, determine a much lower price and remove users need to raise funds through crime. Our legal system would be freed up and our prison population dramatically reduced, saving billions. Because of the low price, cigarette smokers do not have to steal to support their habits. There is also no violence associated with the legal tobacco market.
4 Drug users are a majority Recent research shows that nearly half of all 15-16 year olds have used an illegal drug. Up to one and a half million people use ecstasy every weekend. Amongst young people, illegal drug use is seen as normal. Intensifying the 'war on drugs' is not reducing demand. In Holland, where cannabis laws are far less harsh, drug usage is amongst the lowest in Europe.
Legalisation accepts that drug use is normal and that it is a social issue, not a criminal justice one. How we deal with it is up to all of us to decide.
In 1970 there were 9000 convictions or cautions for drug offences and 15% of young people had used an illegal drug. In 1995 the figures were 94 000 and 45%. Prohibition doesn't work.
5 Provide access to truthful information and education A wealth of disinformation about drugs and drug use is given to us by ignorant and prejudiced policy-makers and media who peddle myths upon lies for their own ends. This creates many of the risks and dangers associated with drug use.
Legalisation would help us to disseminate open, honest and truthful information to users and non-users to help them to make decisions about whether and how to use. We could begin research again on presently illicit drugs to discover all their uses and effects - both positive and negative.
i think it is a bit of a 'swings and roundabouts' thing- legalisation may well lead to more people taking drugs, but the amount of crime involved in procuring the money to buy drugs would plummet- how much police time and money is spent on the war against drugs?? that could be put to use to help those that really want to get off them. alcohol is a much more dangerous drug that most of us use- i believe it causes much more violence and death than drugs, even hard drugs- much more car accidents and ciolent deaths are caused by alcohol than by drug use ( my own beliefs and experiencs as a nurse, please don't ask for statistics)
jampet: mea culpa- never thought about the drug addicted babies, but aren't there already babies born with horrendous disabilities( if they live) as a result of totally legal alcohol or tobacco use? and alcohol causes more domestic violence than drugs , maybe the war should be on alcohol or tobacco use in pregnancy( too difficult to police i realise:()
however- i think the results of alcohol use in pregnancy are possibly more long term than with drug use, especialy 'soft drugs' again i have no facts to back up my statment, just beliefs- ready for and happy to accept the flames
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The war on drugs has been lost a loooong time ago.
You read about the large catch the cops make at times.
Much ado it made about it.
The truth is; Not even 10% is confiscated.
Think how many people would lose their job alone in the police forse already.
How much crime would be elliminated, job lose for many there too, judges, jailhouse keepers etc. etc?
Anything that is iligal has more of an attraction, would it be so
when you can get drugs free and anytime, anywhere?