On seven year anniversay of 9/11 ludicrous theory is disseminated (94)
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Scientists can finally explain why the Twin Towers collapsed on September 11, despite the temperature of the fires being well below the 1,500C melting point of the steel girders holding up the buildings.
The discovery that unusual magnetic forces within the girders made them weak at temperatures of about 500C explains away the conspiracy theories that have spread like wildfire since the disaster.
Sergei Dudarev, of the UK Atomic Energy Agency, found that steel loses its strength above 500C because its molecules undergo a physical transition from one state to another due to magnetic fluctuations. “The steel didn’t melt, it just became soft. It is an unusual state and the temperatures in the Twin Towers were high enough to cause it because the thermal insulation was knocked off the girders through the impact with the aircraft,” he said.
“Understanding how materials behave means we can find the right ‘medicine’ to make steel stronger at high temperatures… and if our work can be used for other applications, such as safeguarding tall buildings against disasters, so much the better,” he said.
We have previously pointed to the innumerable number of buildings that have suffered roaring fires across the majority of their floors for hours and remained standing. Seemingly the steel beams in these buildings were not subjected to the same “unusual magnetic forces”.
Furthermore, a far more extensive fire occurred in WTC 1 itself, prior to enhanced fireproofing of the building, on February 13, 1975. The fire burned at much higher temperatures for three hours and spread over six floors, including 65% of the 11th floor and the building core, yet it caused no significant damage to the steel structure and no trusses had to be replaced. There were no “unusual magnetic forces” present on that day.
Early tests conducted on recovered steel beams from the WTC showed that they generally met or were stronger than design requirements, ruling them out as a contributing cause of the collapse of the towers.
Kevin Ryan of Underwriters Laboratories, the company that certified the steel components used in the construction of the WTC towers, sent a letter to Frank Gayle of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) about this.
Scientists can finally explain why the Twin Towers collapsed on September 11, despite the temperature of the fires being well below the 1,500C melting point of the steel girders holding up the buildings.
The discovery that unusual magnetic forces within the girders made them weak at temperatures of about 500C explains away the conspiracy theories that have spread like wildfire since the disaster.
Sergei Dudarev, of the UK Atomic Energy Agency, found that steel loses its strength above 500C because its molecules undergo a physical transition from one state to another due to magnetic fluctuations. “The steel didn’t melt, it just became soft. It is an unusual state and the temperatures in the Twin Towers were high enough to cause it because the thermal insulation was knocked off the girders through the impact with the aircraft,” he said.
“Understanding how materials behave means we can find the right ‘medicine’ to make steel stronger at high temperatures… and if our work can be used for other applications, such as safeguarding tall buildings against disasters, so much the better,” he said.
We have previously pointed to the innumerable number of buildings that have suffered roaring fires across the majority of their floors for hours and remained standing. Seemingly the steel beams in these buildings were not subjected to the same “unusual magnetic forces”.
Furthermore, a far more extensive fire occurred in WTC 1 itself, prior to enhanced fireproofing of the building, on February 13, 1975. The fire burned at much higher temperatures for three hours and spread over six floors, including 65% of the 11th floor and the building core, yet it caused no significant damage to the steel structure and no trusses had to be replaced. There were no “unusual magnetic forces” present on that day.
Early tests conducted on recovered steel beams from the WTC showed that they generally met or were stronger than design requirements, ruling them out as a contributing cause of the collapse of the towers.
Kevin Ryan of Underwriters Laboratories, the company that certified the steel components used in the construction of the WTC towers, sent a letter to Frank Gayle of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) about this.
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Ryan wrote:
“As I’m sure you know, the company I work for certified the steel components used in the construction of the WTC buildings. In requesting information from both our CEO and Fire Protection business manager last year, I learned that they did not agree on the essential aspects of the story, except for one thing - that the samples we certified met all requirements. They suggested we all be patient and understand that UL was working with your team, and that tests would continue through this year.
I’m aware of UL’s attempts to help, including performing tests on models of the floor assemblies. But the results of these tests appear to indicate that the buildings should have easily withstood the thermal stress caused by pools of burning jet fuel.
Ryan was later fired for continually questioning the official story of the World Trade Center collapse.
Furthermore, referring to the collpases, the original NIST report concluded that “the existing condition of the fireproofing prior to aircraft impact and the fireproofing thickness on the WTC floor system did not play a significant role”.
Mr Dudarev’s declaration that “The steel didn’t melt” is in direct contradiction to the voluminous amounts of evidence concerning the presence of molten steel underneath both towers and building seven which fell later in the day. Steel doesn’t begin to melt until it reaches temperatures of between 1500 and 2000C, and it does not literally flow like lava until it gets towards 3000C, much hotter than the temperature jet fuel, or in the case of building seven, office material fires burn at.
Building Seven itself, which was not hit by a plane, fell totally into its own footprint in around six seconds after localized fires burned on a select few floors. Was the building subject to “unusual magnetic forces”? Not according to NIST, which states in its latest report that it was the first steel structure in history to suffer total collapse as a result of the never before observed “new phenomenon” of “thermal expansion”.
However, the problem many researchers have with this “new phenomenon”, also described by NIST as an “extraordinary event” that had never happened before in the history of building collapses, is that it seemed to have been roundly predicted by news stations and ground zero workers a hour or more in advance of it actually occurring.
Proclaiming “unusual magnetic forces”, “extraordinary events” and “new phenomenons” smacks of a desperate attempt to ventilate the authority of the official story, when in reality these ludicrous claims, the latest in a long line of changing explanations and contradictory accounts, only make the government sanctioned 9/11 account look more untrustworthy than ever before.
“As I’m sure you know, the company I work for certified the steel components used in the construction of the WTC buildings. In requesting information from both our CEO and Fire Protection business manager last year, I learned that they did not agree on the essential aspects of the story, except for one thing - that the samples we certified met all requirements. They suggested we all be patient and understand that UL was working with your team, and that tests would continue through this year.
I’m aware of UL’s attempts to help, including performing tests on models of the floor assemblies. But the results of these tests appear to indicate that the buildings should have easily withstood the thermal stress caused by pools of burning jet fuel.
Ryan was later fired for continually questioning the official story of the World Trade Center collapse.
Furthermore, referring to the collpases, the original NIST report concluded that “the existing condition of the fireproofing prior to aircraft impact and the fireproofing thickness on the WTC floor system did not play a significant role”.
Mr Dudarev’s declaration that “The steel didn’t melt” is in direct contradiction to the voluminous amounts of evidence concerning the presence of molten steel underneath both towers and building seven which fell later in the day. Steel doesn’t begin to melt until it reaches temperatures of between 1500 and 2000C, and it does not literally flow like lava until it gets towards 3000C, much hotter than the temperature jet fuel, or in the case of building seven, office material fires burn at.
Building Seven itself, which was not hit by a plane, fell totally into its own footprint in around six seconds after localized fires burned on a select few floors. Was the building subject to “unusual magnetic forces”? Not according to NIST, which states in its latest report that it was the first steel structure in history to suffer total collapse as a result of the never before observed “new phenomenon” of “thermal expansion”.
However, the problem many researchers have with this “new phenomenon”, also described by NIST as an “extraordinary event” that had never happened before in the history of building collapses, is that it seemed to have been roundly predicted by news stations and ground zero workers a hour or more in advance of it actually occurring.
Proclaiming “unusual magnetic forces”, “extraordinary events” and “new phenomenons” smacks of a desperate attempt to ventilate the authority of the official story, when in reality these ludicrous claims, the latest in a long line of changing explanations and contradictory accounts, only make the government sanctioned 9/11 account look more untrustworthy than ever before.
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Magnetic: Thursday, Sept 11, 2008
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Mr Dudarev can explain why jet fuel fires burning in isolated pockets for minutes caused two of the world’s tallest steel buildings to completely collapse into their own footprints at freefall speed, pulverizing concrete and leaving flowing underground rivers of molten metal lasting for weeks.
And the answer is…
“Unusual magnetic forces”…“Unusual magnetic forces” or “Umf” for short caused the towers to fall down.
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Mr Dudarev can explain why jet fuel fires burning in isolated pockets for minutes caused two of the world’s tallest steel buildings to completely collapse into their own footprints at freefall speed, pulverizing concrete and leaving flowing underground rivers of molten metal lasting for weeks.
And the answer is…
“Unusual magnetic forces”…“Unusual magnetic forces” or “Umf” for short caused the towers to fall down.
MY.........
a**!!!!!!!!!!
BS!!!!!!!
Prove IT!!!
Go read up on your Metallurgy!!!!
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princess49503: MY.........a**!!!!!!!!!!
BS!!!!!!!
Prove IT!!!
Go read up on your Metallurgy!!!!
BS!!!!!!!
Prove IT!!!
Go read up on your Metallurgy!!!!
First I have heard of rivers of molten metal lasting for weeks!
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Fallingman: First I have heard of rivers of molten metal lasting for weeks!
Exceptional Refractories?
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Conrad73: Exceptional Refractories?
Maybe I just missed that one in reading about it. I know there were fires in the rubble but never heard this
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Fallingman: Maybe I just missed that one in reading about it. I know there were fires in the rubble but never heard this
Doubt that ever happened.
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Magnetic: Ryan wrote:
“As I’m sure you know, the company I work for certified the steel components used in the construction of the WTC buildings. In requesting information from both our CEO and Fire Protection business manager last year, I learned that they did not agree on the essential aspects of the story, except for one thing - that the samples we certified met all requirements. They suggested we all be patient and understand that UL was working with your team, and that tests would continue through this year.
I’m aware of UL’s attempts to help, including performing tests on models of the floor assemblies. But the results of these tests appear to indicate that the buildings should have easily withstood the thermal stress caused by pools of burning jet fuel.
Ryan was later fired for continually questioning the official story of the World Trade Center collapse.
Furthermore, referring to the collpases, the original NIST report concluded that “the existing condition of the fireproofing prior to aircraft impact and the fireproofing thickness on the WTC floor system did not play a significant role”.
Mr Dudarev’s declaration that “The steel didn’t melt” is in direct contradiction to the voluminous amounts of evidence concerning the presence of molten steel underneath both towers and building seven which fell later in the day. Steel doesn’t begin to melt until it reaches temperatures of between 1500 and 2000C, and it does not literally flow like lava until it gets towards 3000C, much hotter than the temperature jet fuel, or in the case of building seven, office material fires burn at.
Building Seven itself, which was not hit by a plane, fell totally into its own footprint in around six seconds after localized fires burned on a select few floors. Was the building subject to “unusual magnetic forces”? Not according to NIST, which states in its latest report that it was the first steel structure in history to suffer total collapse as a result of the never before observed “new phenomenon” of “thermal expansion”.
However, the problem many researchers have with this “new phenomenon”, also described by NIST as an “extraordinary event” that had never happened before in the history of building collapses, is that it seemed to have been roundly predicted by news stations and ground zero workers a hour or more in advance of it actually occurring.
Proclaiming “unusual magnetic forces”, “extraordinary events” and “new phenomenons” smacks of a desperate attempt to ventilate the authority of the official story, when in reality these ludicrous claims, the latest in a long line of changing explanations and contradictory accounts, only make the government sanctioned 9/11 account look more untrustworthy than ever before.
“As I’m sure you know, the company I work for certified the steel components used in the construction of the WTC buildings. In requesting information from both our CEO and Fire Protection business manager last year, I learned that they did not agree on the essential aspects of the story, except for one thing - that the samples we certified met all requirements. They suggested we all be patient and understand that UL was working with your team, and that tests would continue through this year.
I’m aware of UL’s attempts to help, including performing tests on models of the floor assemblies. But the results of these tests appear to indicate that the buildings should have easily withstood the thermal stress caused by pools of burning jet fuel.
Ryan was later fired for continually questioning the official story of the World Trade Center collapse.
Furthermore, referring to the collpases, the original NIST report concluded that “the existing condition of the fireproofing prior to aircraft impact and the fireproofing thickness on the WTC floor system did not play a significant role”.
Mr Dudarev’s declaration that “The steel didn’t melt” is in direct contradiction to the voluminous amounts of evidence concerning the presence of molten steel underneath both towers and building seven which fell later in the day. Steel doesn’t begin to melt until it reaches temperatures of between 1500 and 2000C, and it does not literally flow like lava until it gets towards 3000C, much hotter than the temperature jet fuel, or in the case of building seven, office material fires burn at.
Building Seven itself, which was not hit by a plane, fell totally into its own footprint in around six seconds after localized fires burned on a select few floors. Was the building subject to “unusual magnetic forces”? Not according to NIST, which states in its latest report that it was the first steel structure in history to suffer total collapse as a result of the never before observed “new phenomenon” of “thermal expansion”.
However, the problem many researchers have with this “new phenomenon”, also described by NIST as an “extraordinary event” that had never happened before in the history of building collapses, is that it seemed to have been roundly predicted by news stations and ground zero workers a hour or more in advance of it actually occurring.
Proclaiming “unusual magnetic forces”, “extraordinary events” and “new phenomenons” smacks of a desperate attempt to ventilate the authority of the official story, when in reality these ludicrous claims, the latest in a long line of changing explanations and contradictory accounts, only make the government sanctioned 9/11 account look more untrustworthy than ever before.
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I saw the video report of the engineers that investigated the Tower collapse. The steel beams that support the floor were 'hung'...no welded or directly bolted into the exterior framework of structural
steel beams. It was these 'hangers' that degraded with heat of the
fuel fire of the aircraft.
Once you had one floor give way, you had a chain reaction of these
hangers failing...not stressed to take the weight of the debrie falling on them.....that brought the building down.
This theory is like saying 'gravity' brough the towers down. Sure gravity did bring the towers down. Magnetic force is applied to everything (e.g. the reason a compass works). But it was the failure of the hangers of the floor beams that was the cause of the structural failure.
Give it a break..please..Islamic terrorist hi jacked 4 aircraft...flew them into Twin Towers and the Pentagon.....and one crashed in PA after the passengers tried to take re control of the cockpit. No USA gov't conspriracy. No detonation charges in the Towers. No involvment of US agents in the attack.
We have phone tapes of the passengers talking to thier families on the ground via cell phone.....telling us what was going on inside the
planes. Respect those that lose loved one on 9/11, by accepting thier last words with these now parted were honest ones.jmo
steel beams. It was these 'hangers' that degraded with heat of the
fuel fire of the aircraft.
Once you had one floor give way, you had a chain reaction of these
hangers failing...not stressed to take the weight of the debrie falling on them.....that brought the building down.
This theory is like saying 'gravity' brough the towers down. Sure gravity did bring the towers down. Magnetic force is applied to everything (e.g. the reason a compass works). But it was the failure of the hangers of the floor beams that was the cause of the structural failure.
Give it a break..please..Islamic terrorist hi jacked 4 aircraft...flew them into Twin Towers and the Pentagon.....and one crashed in PA after the passengers tried to take re control of the cockpit. No USA gov't conspriracy. No detonation charges in the Towers. No involvment of US agents in the attack.
We have phone tapes of the passengers talking to thier families on the ground via cell phone.....telling us what was going on inside the
planes. Respect those that lose loved one on 9/11, by accepting thier last words with these now parted were honest ones.jmo
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ttom500: I saw the video report of the engineers that investigated the Tower collapse. The steel beams that support the floor were 'hung'...no welded or directly bolted into the exterior framework of structural
steel beams. It was these 'hangers' that degraded with heat of the
fuel fire of the aircraft.
Once you had one floor give way, you had a chain reaction of these
hangers failing...not stressed to take the weight of the debrie falling on them.....that brought the building down.
This theory is like saying 'gravity' brough the towers down. Sure gravity did bring the towers down. Magnetic force is applied to everything (e.g. the reason a compass works). But it was the failure of the hangers of the floor beams that was the cause of the structural failure.
Give it a break..please..Islamic terrorist hi jacked 4 aircraft...flew them into Twin Towers and the Pentagon.....and one crashed in PA after the passengers tried to take re control of the cockpit. No USA gov't conspriracy. No detonation charges in the Towers. No involvment of US agents in the attack.
We have phone tapes of the passengers talking to thier families on the ground via cell phone.....telling us what was going on inside the
planes. Respect those that lose loved one on 9/11, by accepting thier last words with these now parted were honest ones.jmo
steel beams. It was these 'hangers' that degraded with heat of the
fuel fire of the aircraft.
Once you had one floor give way, you had a chain reaction of these
hangers failing...not stressed to take the weight of the debrie falling on them.....that brought the building down.
This theory is like saying 'gravity' brough the towers down. Sure gravity did bring the towers down. Magnetic force is applied to everything (e.g. the reason a compass works). But it was the failure of the hangers of the floor beams that was the cause of the structural failure.
Give it a break..please..Islamic terrorist hi jacked 4 aircraft...flew them into Twin Towers and the Pentagon.....and one crashed in PA after the passengers tried to take re control of the cockpit. No USA gov't conspriracy. No detonation charges in the Towers. No involvment of US agents in the attack.
We have phone tapes of the passengers talking to thier families on the ground via cell phone.....telling us what was going on inside the
planes. Respect those that lose loved one on 9/11, by accepting thier last words with these now parted were honest ones.jmo
I agree entirely. These ludicrous theories add nothing and drag up pain for those who lost friends and relatives
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ttom500:
Give it a break..please..Islamic terrorist hi jacked 4 aircraft...flew them into Twin Towers and the Pentagon.....and one crashed in PA after the passengers tried to take re control of the cockpit. No USA gov't conspriracy. No detonation charges in the Towers. No involvment of US agents in the attack.
Give it a break..please..Islamic terrorist hi jacked 4 aircraft...flew them into Twin Towers and the Pentagon.....and one crashed in PA after the passengers tried to take re control of the cockpit. No USA gov't conspriracy. No detonation charges in the Towers. No involvment of US agents in the attack.
The towers all 5 fell in controlled demo fashion. Three of the towers were not even hit!! yet they still pancaked in controlled demo fashion.
Where is the evidence of the plane in PA? not one shred was recovered or offered as evidence?, no bodies, no luggage no strewn debris.
Where is the evidence of the plane in DC? aside from a small motor part, no evidence has been offered, let alone found.
Again no bodies, no luggage, no strewn debris.
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We have phone tapes of the passengers talking to thier families on the ground via cell phone.....telling us what was going on inside the
planes. Respect those that lose loved one on 9/11, by accepting thier last words with these now parted were honest ones.jmo
We have phone tapes of the passengers talking to thier families on the ground via cell phone.....telling us what was going on inside the
planes. Respect those that lose loved one on 9/11, by accepting thier last words with these now parted were honest ones.jmo
Tapes can be constructed, even pre constructed and a that time cell phone calls from a plane were iffy at best.On the morning of 911 not 10 minutes after the first plane hit, Bush said while talking to reporters " I saw the first plane hit the tower and ..." Since no one saw or found any tape of the first plane hitting the tower, until the next day, how did Bush become the only one to see this 10 minutes after while he was at a school in Florida
Did he have cameras onsight and know it was coming?32 non professionals (doubtful terrorists) managed not only to fly planes on target without piloting abilites, but managed to enter the most protected airpsace on the planet in washington (while Chaney or instructed staff to do nothing about that plane).
Patriotism is great thing, but patriotism itself is not proof.
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BnaturAl: The towers all 5 fell in controlled demo fashion. Three of the towers were not even hit!! yet they still pancaked in controlled demo fashion.
Where is the evidence of the plane in PA? not one shred was recovered or offered as evidence?, no bodies, no luggage no strewn debris.
Where is the evidence of the plane in DC? aside from a small motor part, no evidence has been offered, let alone found.
Again no bodies, no luggage, no strewn debris.
Tapes can be constructed, even pre constructed and a that time cell phone calls from a plane were iffy at best.
On the morning of 911 not 10 minutes after the first plane hit, Bush said while talking to reporters " I saw the first plane hit the tower and ..." Since no one saw or found any tape of the first plane hitting the tower, until the next day, how did Bush become the only one to see this 10 minutes after while he was at a school in Florida Did he have cameras onsight and know it was coming?
32 non professionals (doubtful terrorists) managed not only to fly planes on target without piloting abilites, but managed to enter the most protected airpsace on the planet in washington (while Chaney or instructed staff to do nothing about that plane).
Patriotism is great thing, but patriotism itself is not proof.
Where is the evidence of the plane in PA? not one shred was recovered or offered as evidence?, no bodies, no luggage no strewn debris.
Where is the evidence of the plane in DC? aside from a small motor part, no evidence has been offered, let alone found.
Again no bodies, no luggage, no strewn debris.
Tapes can be constructed, even pre constructed and a that time cell phone calls from a plane were iffy at best.
On the morning of 911 not 10 minutes after the first plane hit, Bush said while talking to reporters " I saw the first plane hit the tower and ..." Since no one saw or found any tape of the first plane hitting the tower, until the next day, how did Bush become the only one to see this 10 minutes after while he was at a school in Florida Did he have cameras onsight and know it was coming?
32 non professionals (doubtful terrorists) managed not only to fly planes on target without piloting abilites, but managed to enter the most protected airpsace on the planet in washington (while Chaney or instructed staff to do nothing about that plane).
Patriotism is great thing, but patriotism itself is not proof.
Benatural....the recreation of the PA aircraft showed it do a roll over and then do a vertical dive into the ground. It hit doing over 500 mph....you are going to get a very small impact area and a very large hole with such a impact. They found aircraft parts in the hole.
Next, you ask about the smaller building near the towers. I think that I have an answer for you.
The exterior of the towers was a steel beam mesh that held concrete facing sections and windows. This subsection weight 1000s of tons. OK?
The top section being to collapse in chain fashion and as it reaches the middle 20-80 floor level this exterior mesh of steel and concrete gets pushed away from the building. And begins to fall on the nearby
building. Weight builds on their roofs.....and they to collapse. The tallest ajoining building was 18 floors I think.
If you look at the video of the tower collapse...most will show the top 100 floors collapsing. But when you get the lower- middle levels the video gets filled with debrie and dust, and one simply cannot see how this lower-middle section of the building falls. If the exterior steel mesh bulged outward from here....then the ajoining buildings got tons of debrie on them.
I was not at the clean up after wards.......so I personally don't know if they found the exterior steel mesh on the roofs of those buildings. But I bet they did.
If you over stress a structure from the roof, they fall straight. That I can tell you.
The was a pretty big hole in the Pentagon. The men inside the Pentagon, many of them military that know the smell of aviation fuel and the kind of fire it make....say that they all smelled aviation Jp-4 fuel and it burned like aviation fuel does. So I think that I will go with thier version. Not to mention the securutiy Camera of the Pentagon that show a Boeing 757 being flown into it. I am sure in your opnion that is all fabircated tesitmony and evidence. Thanks for reminding us how many in the world want 9/11 to be an conspriracy of the US Gov't.
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ttom500:
The was a pretty big hole in the Pentagon. The men inside the Pentagon, many of them military that know the smell of aviation fuel and the kind of fire it make....say that they all smelled aviation Jp-4 fuel and it burned like aviation fuel does. So I think that I will go with thier version. Not to mention the securutiy Camera of the Pentagon that show a Boeing 757 being flown into it. I am sure in your opnion that is all fabircated tesitmony and evidence. Thanks for reminding us how many in the world want 9/11 to be an conspriracy of the US Gov't.
The was a pretty big hole in the Pentagon. The men inside the Pentagon, many of them military that know the smell of aviation fuel and the kind of fire it make....say that they all smelled aviation Jp-4 fuel and it burned like aviation fuel does. So I think that I will go with thier version. Not to mention the securutiy Camera of the Pentagon that show a Boeing 757 being flown into it. I am sure in your opnion that is all fabircated tesitmony and evidence. Thanks for reminding us how many in the world want 9/11 to be an conspriracy of the US Gov't.
It was a 16 metre hole. Not even close to plane size. The nose alone of a 747 is much wider, not to MENTION WING SPAN.
There is also NO video, let alone still pictures of the alledged plane hitting the pentagon. There are however simulations and after seeing number of them your brain could careless whether its real or not, it begins to remember it as a real event, unless of course youre of sound mind and body and not given to psychological input from propaganda spinners. Simulations are NOT REAL!!
747's don't make small 16 metre holes and then disintegrate leaving no evidence. They make much bigger holes and leave much more evidence.
AGAIN, its not conspiracy, its AGENDA ... the conspiracy angle is a psychological misleader created by the gov't to deter people from seeing the truth. Adding the word conspiracy makes it look like loonies are making stuff up, when in actual fact, the bulk of REAL evidence supports, US, UK gov't (and the world bank) involvement in perpetrating 911 AND the events that have followed since.
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It was a 16 metre hole. Not even close to plane size. The nose alone of a 747 is much wider, not to MENTION WING SPAN.
There is also NO video, let alone still pictures of the alledged plane hitting the pentagon. There are however simulations and after seeing number of them your brain could careless whether its real or not, it begins to remember it as a real event, unless of course youre of sound mind and body and not given to psychological input from propaganda spinners. Simulations are NOT REAL!!
747's don't make small 16 metre holes and then disintegrate leaving no evidence. They make much bigger holes and leave much more evidence. AGAIN, its not conspiracy, its AGENDA ... the conspiracy angle is a psychological misleader created by the gov't to deter people from seeing the truth. Adding the word conspiracy makes it look like loonies are making stuff up, when in actual fact, the bulk of REAL evidence supports, US, UK gov't (and the world bank) involvement in perpetrating 911 AND the events that have followed since.[/quote
Why in the world can't you people understand that we were attacked by animals that day!
I was a crash and rescue firefighter in the USAF. I have seen what burning jet fuel can do! I have walked through the flames of it to rescue people. Have a clue....The fire did not last for only a few mintes and the heat from it could melt kryptonite so wake up and smell the coffee people!
There is also NO video, let alone still pictures of the alledged plane hitting the pentagon. There are however simulations and after seeing number of them your brain could careless whether its real or not, it begins to remember it as a real event, unless of course youre of sound mind and body and not given to psychological input from propaganda spinners. Simulations are NOT REAL!!
747's don't make small 16 metre holes and then disintegrate leaving no evidence. They make much bigger holes and leave much more evidence. AGAIN, its not conspiracy, its AGENDA ... the conspiracy angle is a psychological misleader created by the gov't to deter people from seeing the truth. Adding the word conspiracy makes it look like loonies are making stuff up, when in actual fact, the bulk of REAL evidence supports, US, UK gov't (and the world bank) involvement in perpetrating 911 AND the events that have followed since.[/quote
Why in the world can't you people understand that we were attacked by animals that day!
I was a crash and rescue firefighter in the USAF. I have seen what burning jet fuel can do! I have walked through the flames of it to rescue people. Have a clue....The fire did not last for only a few mintes and the heat from it could melt kryptonite so wake up and smell the coffee people!
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BnaturAl: It was a 16 metre hole. Not even close to plane size. The nose alone of a 747 is much wider, not to MENTION WING SPAN.
There is also NO video, let alone still pictures of the alledged plane hitting the pentagon. There are however simulations and after seeing number of them your brain could careless whether its real or not, it begins to remember it as a real event, unless of course youre of sound mind and body and not given to psychological input from propaganda spinners. Simulations are NOT REAL!!
747's don't make small 16 metre holes and then disintegrate leaving no evidence. They make much bigger holes and leave much more evidence. AGAIN, its not conspiracy, its AGENDA ... the conspiracy angle is a psychological misleader created by the gov't to deter people from seeing the truth. Adding the word conspiracy makes it look like loonies are making stuff up, when in actual fact, the bulk of REAL evidence supports, US, UK gov't (and the world bank) involvement in perpetrating 911 AND the events that have followed since.
There is also NO video, let alone still pictures of the alledged plane hitting the pentagon. There are however simulations and after seeing number of them your brain could careless whether its real or not, it begins to remember it as a real event, unless of course youre of sound mind and body and not given to psychological input from propaganda spinners. Simulations are NOT REAL!!
747's don't make small 16 metre holes and then disintegrate leaving no evidence. They make much bigger holes and leave much more evidence. AGAIN, its not conspiracy, its AGENDA ... the conspiracy angle is a psychological misleader created by the gov't to deter people from seeing the truth. Adding the word conspiracy makes it look like loonies are making stuff up, when in actual fact, the bulk of REAL evidence supports, US, UK gov't (and the world bank) involvement in perpetrating 911 AND the events that have followed since.
Why in the world can't you people understand that we were attacked by animals that day!
I was a crash and rescue firefighter in the USAF. I have seen what burning jet fuel can do! I have walked through the flames of it to rescue people. Have a clue....The fire did not last for only a few mintes and the heat from it could melt kryptonite so wake up and smell the coffee people!
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teacherman: Why in the world can't you people understand that we were attacked by animals that day!
I was a crash and rescue firefighter in the USAF. I have seen what burning jet fuel can do! I have walked through the flames of it to rescue people. Have a clue....The fire did not last for only a few mintes and the heat from it could melt kryptonite so wake up and smell the coffee people!
I was a crash and rescue firefighter in the USAF. I have seen what burning jet fuel can do! I have walked through the flames of it to rescue people. Have a clue....The fire did not last for only a few mintes and the heat from it could melt kryptonite so wake up and smell the coffee people!
Why understand BS? Facts are more useful, except for people who prefer to have their head up their butt. Animals indeed!
The fire lasted a long time, yes ...AFTER the towers fell!!!!! The towers fell soon after being hit. NO BUILDING EVER HAS FALLEN AS A RESULT OF FIRE even from jet fuel!!!! EVER!!! Check your facts so that you DO understand.
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This is purely a personal perspective.....
I think it is science fiction to believe that any government agency or otherwise would create the disaster that occurred on the date.....
it was an attack on western civilisation by those lost in the darkness of ignorance......
the site just happenned to be placed in NY.....but it was the entire western world that came under attack that day.....as clearly and obviously was stated by the attacks that followed on London and Madrid.
Having said that, I cannot agree to hatred and vengeance being justifyable.....even under such tragic curcumstances.
I believe the western world should look deeper and further.....we should ask ourselves....what have we done wrong?
What have we done to instigate this maniacal hatred towards our civilisation?
What produced such blindness as to commit suicide in the act of killing others?
I think it is science fiction to believe that any government agency or otherwise would create the disaster that occurred on the date.....
it was an attack on western civilisation by those lost in the darkness of ignorance......
the site just happenned to be placed in NY.....but it was the entire western world that came under attack that day.....as clearly and obviously was stated by the attacks that followed on London and Madrid.
Having said that, I cannot agree to hatred and vengeance being justifyable.....even under such tragic curcumstances.
I believe the western world should look deeper and further.....we should ask ourselves....what have we done wrong?
What have we done to instigate this maniacal hatred towards our civilisation?
What produced such blindness as to commit suicide in the act of killing others?
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mylifewithu: I have watched control demo's the building collapse from the bottom and the building crumbles down only at the base there until the whole thing is crumbled.
I also watched the twin towers come down, They crumbled from the top down, so in no way are you correct about this. No controlled Demo, Talk about someone making up stuff.
I also watched the twin towers come down, They crumbled from the top down, so in no way are you correct about this. No controlled Demo, Talk about someone making up stuff.
It's ok mlwu...he's probably French Canadian!
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BnaturAl: Why understand BS? Facts are more useful, except for people who prefer to have their head up their butt. Animals indeed!
The fire lasted a long time, yes ...AFTER the towers fell!!!!! The towers fell soon after being hit. NO BUILDING EVER HAS FALLEN AS A RESULT OF FIRE even from jet fuel!!!! EVER!!! Check your facts so that you DO understand.
The fire lasted a long time, yes ...AFTER the towers fell!!!!! The towers fell soon after being hit. NO BUILDING EVER HAS FALLEN AS A RESULT OF FIRE even from jet fuel!!!! EVER!!! Check your facts so that you DO understand.
So how much real time experience do You have with burning jet fuel, fires, and aircraft? I have 23 missions under my belt without a life lost! How about you?
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One article consisting of five short paragraphs in the London Independent informs us that on this seventh anniversary of 9/11 all the remaining unanswered questions about the collapse of the World Trade Center towers can be “explained away”.
Yes, that’s correct, structural engineers, scientists, professors, congress members, victims’ families, first responders, intelligence officials and all the other researchers out there who have poured over the collapse of the twin towers for the last 2 556.69539 days, you may all stop reading, put down your pens and turn off your computers because Sergei Dudarev, of the UK Atomic Energy Agency has all the answers.
Mr Dudarev can explain why jet fuel fires burning in isolated pockets for minutes caused two of the world’s tallest steel buildings to completely collapse into their own footprints at freefall speed, pulverizing concrete and leaving flowing underground rivers of molten metal lasting for weeks.
And the answer is…
“Unusual magnetic forces”…“Unusual magnetic forces” or “Umf” for short caused the towers to fall down.