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Sep 13, 2008 5:56 PM CST How Is One To Become Intelligent?
BarrenPneuma
BarrenPneumaBarrenPneumaGolden Staircase, Ontario Canada121 Threads 4 Polls 2,496 Posts
The moment you try to become intelligent, you cease to be intelligent. This is really important, so give your mind to it a little bit. If I am stupid and everybody tells me that I must become intelligent, what generally happens? I struggle to become intelligent, I study more, and I try to get better marks. Then people say, "He is working harder," and pat me on the back; but I continue to be stupid because I have only acquired the trimmings of intelligence. So the problem is not how to become intelligent, but how to be free of stupidity. If, being stupid, I try to become intelligent; I am still functioning stupidly.
You see, the basic problem is that of change. When you ask, "What is intelligence and how is one to become intelligent?" it implies a concept of what intelligence is, and then you try to become like that concept. Now, to have a formula, a theory or concept of what intelligence is, and to try to mould yourself according to that pattern is foolish, is it not? Whereas, if one is dull and begins to find out what dullness is without any desire to change it into something else, without saying, "I am dull, stupid, how terrible!” then one will find that in unraveling the problem there comes an intelligence freed of stupidity, and without effort.
~ Krishnamurti
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Sep 13, 2008 6:10 PM CST How Is One To Become Intelligent?
druidess6308
druidess6308druidess6308Aliquippa, Pennsylvania USA99 Threads 20,283 Posts
Interesting. I don't think that one can "become" intelligent. One is or isn't intelligent...a blade of grass is a lifeform, but has no intelligence. A human is an intelligent lifeform, and some more than others. One has the ability to become more educated, and mayhaps more erudite, but not more intelligent.
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Sep 13, 2008 8:03 PM CST How Is One To Become Intelligent?
hollandgirl
hollandgirlhollandgirlSomewhere in Canada. B.C., British Columbia Canada711 Threads 6,072 Posts
This goes really deep and I like it.

teddybear
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Sep 13, 2008 8:05 PM CST How Is One To Become Intelligent?
shipoker58
shipoker58shipoker58Las Vegas, Nevada USA35 Threads 4,332 Posts
How Is One To Become Intelligent?





How would I know??
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Sep 13, 2008 8:13 PM CST How Is One To Become Intelligent?
inverphil
inverphilinverphildublin, Dublin Ireland122 Threads 1,097 Posts
shipoker58: How Is One To Become Intelligent?How would I know??

Me neither I just act dumb no physics.cheers
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Sep 13, 2008 11:04 PM CST How Is One To Become Intelligent?
svetlana38
svetlana38svetlana38somewhere, California USA8 Threads 118 Posts
I think that is something in our genus – Simple: You were or you were not born intelligent.

You can become clever, more educated by time, by studying……

But intelligent - No
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Sep 13, 2008 11:56 PM CST How Is One To Become Intelligent?
Daniel4021
Daniel4021Daniel4021Somewhere, Tennessee USA173 Threads 11,394 Posts
Hmmm, I believe I have become lost, so I am going out to find myself, if I should return before I get back, please hold me here until I do...help laugh
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Sep 14, 2008 12:41 AM CST How Is One To Become Intelligent?
Arlene101
Arlene101Arlene101Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia Canada12 Threads 4,845 Posts
Go figure. I have an IQ of between 136 and 138 and I don't know how to copy and paste.dunno I think one BECOMES intelligent through life experiences. I do not try to analyze but if I didn't walk in someone else's shoes I probably will. I don't know how to work this friggin computer--againdunno Give me life any day and I can talk the talk 'IF' I did it or MIGHT do it. It is 1:40 a.m. where I am, but I hope I see this up tomorow. I see 50 pages coming here. Right on!!!!!thumbs up handshake
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Sep 14, 2008 1:03 AM CST How Is One To Become Intelligent?
Arlene101
Arlene101Arlene101Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia Canada12 Threads 4,845 Posts
One last note before I leave for the night. My son studies to be a member of MENSA, he is my son and I love him, but he is one arrogant S.O.B. and thinks he knows everything. He doesn't even know that he doesn't know. In my real life I might substitute a wordlike 'smart' and say 'intellect' and it truly baffles me how smart they think I am, I am not by a long shot but like they say 'Baffle them with Bullshit and Dazzle them with Brilliance'. Hope to see this up tomorrow and see some wonderful theories.wave Have a good one.teddybear
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Sep 14, 2008 1:15 AM CST How Is One To Become Intelligent?
hollandgirl
hollandgirlhollandgirlSomewhere in Canada. B.C., British Columbia Canada711 Threads 6,072 Posts
I like to surround myself with people who are smarter than I am.
Is that inteligents?
I do love to dig in deeper, need to listen more than I am able to contribute.


teddybear
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Sep 14, 2008 1:27 AM CST How Is One To Become Intelligent?
mgbacus
mgbacusmgbacusDoha, Qatar1 Threads 12 Posts
Interesting topic, i like it! All of the ideas coming in are all acceptable but im still looking some words that can fully satisfy my interest. Being intelligent is somewhat having a mind power to excel, to become famous, to create an extraordinary things to exist or to distruct all forces of living and non- living things. It can either produce positive or negative impact to our existence. But have you ever think what is the greatest weapon to kill your intellect? Have you been struggling sometime that you have such great intellect but end up like a fool among the foolest? There you go, its only one thing that i can say the greatest enemy of intellect....it is your heart! If your heart beats extraordinarily its either to love or to save life or to sacrifice for others....then you can say that you might just dumb your intellect for some reasons you cannot explain...and it is really coming from your heart.
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Sep 14, 2008 1:41 AM CST How Is One To Become Intelligent?
Lagoona22
Lagoona22Lagoona22Bugibba, Majjistral Malta249 Threads 28 Polls 18,518 Posts
I disagree with the basic premise of Krishnamurti...(who was he, Google?)

Think of 3 concepts....intelligence, wisdom, and knowledge.....

These things all relate to the same thing, right? But they are different. Can you have lots of knowledge, but still remain stupid? If your answer is "yes", you are probably thinking of emotional intelligence. The basic premise that, if you are stupid, an attempt to become "intelligent" is useless, is false.

Any discussion of this nature needs a definition of those three qualities, otherwise you'll forever be lost without a paddle up the Semantics...


BarrenPneuma: The moment you try to become intelligent, you cease to be intelligent. This is really important, so give your mind to it a little bit. If I am stupid and everybody tells me that I must become intelligent, what generally happens? I struggle to become intelligent, I study more, and I try to get better marks. Then people say, "He is working harder," and pat me on the back; but I continue to be stupid because I have only acquired the trimmings of intelligence. So the problem is not how to become intelligent, but how to be free of stupidity. If, being stupid, I try to become intelligent; I am still functioning stupidly. ~ Krishnamurti
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Sep 14, 2008 1:44 AM CST How Is One To Become Intelligent?
pyaremohan
pyaremohanpyaremohandelhi, Delhi India22 Threads 1,549 Posts
Lagoona22: I disagree with the basic premise of Krishnamurti...(who was he, Google?)

Think of 3 concepts....intelligence, wisdom, and knowledge.....

These things all relate to the same thing, right? But they are different. Can you have lots of knowledge, but still remain stupid? If your answer is "yes", you are probably thinking of emotional intelligence. The basic premise that, if you are stupid, an attempt to become "intelligent" is useless, is false.

Any discussion of this nature needs a definition of those three qualities, otherwise you'll forever be lost without a paddle up the Semantics...


I disagree jiddu always diffentiated ..............intelligence, wisdom, and knowledge r differnt
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Sep 14, 2008 1:52 AM CST How Is One To Become Intelligent?
Daniel4021
Daniel4021Daniel4021Somewhere, Tennessee USA173 Threads 11,394 Posts
Lagoona22: I disagree with the basic premise of Krishnamurti...(who was he, Google?)

Think of 3 concepts....intelligence, wisdom, and knowledge.....

These things all relate to the same thing, right? But they are different. Can you have lots of knowledge, but still remain stupid? If your answer is "yes", you are probably thinking of emotional intelligence. The basic premise that, if you are stupid, an attempt to become "intelligent" is useless, is false.

Any discussion of this nature needs a definition of those three qualities, otherwise you'll forever be lost without a paddle up the Semantics...


Very good Lagoona, I think it's more like this though, Knowledge is intelligence, wisdom is knowing how to use that intelligence wisely..

So I believe the three should be Knowledge wisdom, and understanding

Hypothetical situation...

An intelligent person can think their way out of a situation, but a wise person will never allow thenselves to be in a situation that they have to think their way out of, which brings about understanding to know the difference..jmo
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Sep 14, 2008 1:59 AM CST How Is One To Become Intelligent?
Lagoona22
Lagoona22Lagoona22Bugibba, Majjistral Malta249 Threads 28 Polls 18,518 Posts
Well, I am too stupid to argue with wisdom about intelligence, so I'll leave that to truly clever people....

laugh

...but let me say this:
I have met some incredibly knowledgeable people who exhibited absolutely no emotional intelligence....so in that sense, you can have all sorts of MBA's, and PHD's behind your name, and still be considered an idiot in company...THis I would refer to as being knowledgeable without being intelligent...

For me the question is rather, are we born with intelligence, or is intelligence acquired?
In other words, if you have an IQ of 138, are you born with that number, or does that number increase as you grow up?


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Sep 14, 2008 1:59 AM CST How Is One To Become Intelligent?
muppetkiller
muppetkillermuppetkillerSnyder, Oklahoma USA8 Threads 535 Posts
BarrenPneuma: The moment you try to become intelligent, you cease to be intelligent. This is really important, so give your mind to it a little bit. If I am stupid and everybody tells me that I must become intelligent, what generally happens? I struggle to become intelligent, I study more, and I try to get better marks. Then people say, "He is working harder," and pat me on the back; but I continue to be stupid because I have only acquired the trimmings of intelligence. So the problem is not how to become intelligent, but how to be free of stupidity. If, being stupid, I try to become intelligent; I am still functioning stupidly.
You see, the basic problem is that of change. When you ask, "What is intelligence and how is one to become intelligent?" it implies a concept of what intelligence is, and then you try to become like that concept. Now, to have a formula, a theory or concept of what intelligence is, and to try to mould yourself according to that pattern is foolish, is it not? Whereas, if one is dull and begins to find out what dullness is without any desire to change it into something else, without saying, "I am dull, stupid, how terrible!” then one will find that in unraveling the problem there comes an intelligence freed of stupidity, and without effort.
~ Krishnamurti


What a load of crap. Intelligent people always know how much they have to learn. Most intelligent people say they're stupid and know nothing.

Buahaha! I wondered if this was a joke. Check your Zen humour at the door, thanks.
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Sep 14, 2008 2:02 AM CST How Is One To Become Intelligent?
Lagoona22
Lagoona22Lagoona22Bugibba, Majjistral Malta249 Threads 28 Polls 18,518 Posts
How intelligent!!...


laugh

muppetkiller: What a load of crap. Intelligent people always know how much they have to learn. Most intelligent people say they're stupid and know nothing.

Buahaha! I wondered if this was a joke. Check your Zen humour at the door, thanks.
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Sep 14, 2008 2:08 AM CST How Is One To Become Intelligent?
Daniel4021
Daniel4021Daniel4021Somewhere, Tennessee USA173 Threads 11,394 Posts
Lagoona22: Well, I am too stupid to argue with wisdom about intelligence, so I'll leave that to truly clever people....



...but let me say this:
I have met some incredibly knowledgeable people who exhibited absolutely no emotional intelligence....so in that sense, you can have all sorts of MBA's, and PHD's behind your name, and still be considered an idiot in company...THis I would refer to as being knowledgeable without being intelligent...

For me the question is rather, are we born with intelligence, or is intelligence acquired?
In other words, if you have an IQ of 138, are you born with that number, or does that number increase as you grow up?


I believe an IQ can be increased.. what really makes a person intelligent then? Is it how much knowledge they Possess? Or the wisdom of how to use what they know?dunno
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Sep 14, 2008 2:09 AM CST How Is One To Become Intelligent?
I've been told that I am intelligent and wise. I don't argue with these people about this.

These same people have also mentioned that I am going bald. I still don't argue with them.

I wear a hat and I show them my abs...rolling on the floor laughing
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Sep 14, 2008 2:09 AM CST How Is One To Become Intelligent?
BarrenPneuma
BarrenPneumaBarrenPneumaGolden Staircase, Ontario Canada121 Threads 4 Polls 2,496 Posts
muppetkiller: What a load of crap. Intelligent people always know how much they have to learn. Most intelligent people say they're stupid and know nothing.

Buahaha! I wondered if this was a joke. Check your Zen humour at the door, thanks.


I have a friend who memorized much the dictionary and much of the Encyclopedia Britannica, yet could barely hold a decent conversation. His car runs out of gas twice a month, and he is not very good at applying anything which he has read to life. The man can rip virtually anyone apart in Trivial Pursuit, but couldn't manage to perform an oil change on his car. Even with the manual.

I am of the belief personally that there is Intelligence, Understanding (knowledge) and Wisdom. Intelligence being the act of gathering information. Understanding the art of knowing that only 50% of what we intake is actually true, and Wisdom being the ability to discern which half is actually the truth in any situation.

This thread was not perpetrated to change anyones ideals by any means but to cause introspection or deliver a foundation for conversation on this topic.
I do not really see how anyone could be wrong as it is extremely difficult to define any abstract idealogy.
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