U.S. divorce rates for various faith (72)
crotalus_p: I suspect that will change when you find some that support your views
I don't look to statistics, or others, to ratify my views. I can think for myself.
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"There are lies, damn lies, and then there are statistics..."
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HondoLaneNJ: I don't look to statistics, or others, to ratify my views. I can think for myself.
rat·i·fy
–verb (used with object),
1. to confirm by expressing consent, approval, or formal sanction: to ratify a constitutional amendment.
2. to confirm (something done or arranged by an agent or by representatives) by such action.
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HondoLaneNJ: I don't look to statistics, or others, to ratify my views. I can think for myself.
To ratify implies that one has already made ones mind up
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Taken from "The New York Times"
It has been about four years since politicians here and in several other states began to acknowledge a troubling paradox: The divorce rate in many parts of the Bible Belt is roughly 50 percent above the national average.
In Arkansas, Gov. Mike Huckabee, a Republican, declared a "marital emergency" in 1999 and vowed to halve the divorce rate by 2010. He signed a covenant marriage law last month that allows couples to choose a marital contract that, in most cases, would require a two-year waiting period before a divorce becomes final. Louisiana has enacted similar laws, as has Arizona.
Here in Oklahoma, Gov. Frank Keating, also a Republican, diagnosed divorce as a principal cause of poverty in his state. He started a much-publicized, multipronged campaign, paid for with $10 million in federal welfare money, to cut the divorce rate by one-third in 10 years.
The Oklahoma Legislature, controlled by Democrats, has all but killed the governor's proposals for covenant marriage and the removal of mutual incompatibility as grounds for divorce. But it has passed several of his other proposals, measures that call for creating a statewide network for premarital education and for training secular and religious marriage counselors.
"Seventy percent of our people go to church once a week or more," Mr. Keating said in an interview. "These divorce statistics are a scalding indictment of what isn't being said behind the pulpit."
I decided to to a search on Divorce Rates in the Bible belt.... I kind of doubted what you were saying, but if anything it would appear that the statistics were on the low side... there are pages and pages of interviews, articles, studies all supporting this information
It has been about four years since politicians here and in several other states began to acknowledge a troubling paradox: The divorce rate in many parts of the Bible Belt is roughly 50 percent above the national average.
In Arkansas, Gov. Mike Huckabee, a Republican, declared a "marital emergency" in 1999 and vowed to halve the divorce rate by 2010. He signed a covenant marriage law last month that allows couples to choose a marital contract that, in most cases, would require a two-year waiting period before a divorce becomes final. Louisiana has enacted similar laws, as has Arizona.
Here in Oklahoma, Gov. Frank Keating, also a Republican, diagnosed divorce as a principal cause of poverty in his state. He started a much-publicized, multipronged campaign, paid for with $10 million in federal welfare money, to cut the divorce rate by one-third in 10 years.
The Oklahoma Legislature, controlled by Democrats, has all but killed the governor's proposals for covenant marriage and the removal of mutual incompatibility as grounds for divorce. But it has passed several of his other proposals, measures that call for creating a statewide network for premarital education and for training secular and religious marriage counselors.
"Seventy percent of our people go to church once a week or more," Mr. Keating said in an interview. "These divorce statistics are a scalding indictment of what isn't being said behind the pulpit."
I decided to to a search on Divorce Rates in the Bible belt.... I kind of doubted what you were saying, but if anything it would appear that the statistics were on the low side... there are pages and pages of interviews, articles, studies all supporting this information
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crotalus_p: To ratify implies that one has already made ones mind up
Your point being?
Statistics are inherently biased on the part of the statistician. One cannot use them to ratify anything. It would be foolish to try....
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jbibiza: Taken from "The New York Times"
It has been about four years since politicians here and in several other states began to acknowledge a troubling paradox: The divorce rate in many parts of the Bible Belt is roughly 50 percent above the national average.
In Arkansas, Gov. Mike Huckabee, a Republican, declared a "marital emergency" in 1999 and vowed to halve the divorce rate by 2010. He signed a covenant marriage law last month that allows couples to choose a marital contract that, in most cases, would require a two-year waiting period before a divorce becomes final. Louisiana has enacted similar laws, as has Arizona.
Here in Oklahoma, Gov. Frank Keating, also a Republican, diagnosed divorce as a principal cause of poverty in his state. He started a much-publicized, multipronged campaign, paid for with $10 million in federal welfare money, to cut the divorce rate by one-third in 10 years.
The Oklahoma Legislature, controlled by Democrats, has all but killed the governor's proposals for covenant marriage and the removal of mutual incompatibility as grounds for divorce. But it has passed several of his other proposals, measures that call for creating a statewide network for premarital education and for training secular and religious marriage counselors.
"Seventy percent of our people go to church once a week or more," Mr. Keating said in an interview. "These divorce statistics are a scalding indictment of what isn't being said behind the pulpit." I decided to to a search on Divorce Rates in the Bible belt.... I kind of doubted what you were saying, but if anything it would appear that the statistics were on the low side... there are pages and pages of interviews, articles, studies all supporting this information
It has been about four years since politicians here and in several other states began to acknowledge a troubling paradox: The divorce rate in many parts of the Bible Belt is roughly 50 percent above the national average.
In Arkansas, Gov. Mike Huckabee, a Republican, declared a "marital emergency" in 1999 and vowed to halve the divorce rate by 2010. He signed a covenant marriage law last month that allows couples to choose a marital contract that, in most cases, would require a two-year waiting period before a divorce becomes final. Louisiana has enacted similar laws, as has Arizona.
Here in Oklahoma, Gov. Frank Keating, also a Republican, diagnosed divorce as a principal cause of poverty in his state. He started a much-publicized, multipronged campaign, paid for with $10 million in federal welfare money, to cut the divorce rate by one-third in 10 years.
The Oklahoma Legislature, controlled by Democrats, has all but killed the governor's proposals for covenant marriage and the removal of mutual incompatibility as grounds for divorce. But it has passed several of his other proposals, measures that call for creating a statewide network for premarital education and for training secular and religious marriage counselors.
"Seventy percent of our people go to church once a week or more," Mr. Keating said in an interview. "These divorce statistics are a scalding indictment of what isn't being said behind the pulpit." I decided to to a search on Divorce Rates in the Bible belt.... I kind of doubted what you were saying, but if anything it would appear that the statistics were on the low side... there are pages and pages of interviews, articles, studies all supporting this information
Maybe they should just outlaw divorce?
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HondoLaneNJ: Maybe they should just outlaw divorce?
Not the worst idea I have seen on here
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vonney: Not the worst idea I have seen on here
Welcome back Vonney....
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Hugz_n_Kissez: Welcome back Vonney....
Thanks hun
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HondoLaneNJ: Your point being? ....
reread the way you worded your post
HondoLaneNJ: Statistics are inherently biased on the part of the statistician.
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That is simply not true, the ones i stated where compiled by an evangelical Christian if they where biased the would of shown the complete opposite
HondoLaneNJ: One cannot use them to ratify anything. It would be foolish to try........
It is never foolish to except facts from a reputable source
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HondoLaneNJ: Maybe they should just outlaw divorce?
Well on further reading... it appears that the bible belt has some of the worst education levels and lowest income levels and this seems to have a lot more to do with divorce levels then religion does.
They seem to be trying to treat the injury rather then dealing with prevention with all these measures. If they would put a greater emphasis on education you wouldn´t have kids getting married so young and with a better education... better jobs.... less stress on the marriage due to finances....
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vonney: Not the worst idea I have seen on here
That still does not make it any less horrendous of an idea
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HondoLaneNJ: Your point being?
Statistics are inherently biased on the part of the statistician. One cannot use them to ratify anything. It would be foolish to try....
Statistics are inherently biased on the part of the statistician. One cannot use them to ratify anything. It would be foolish to try....
Did you read what you wrote before you hit "POST REPLY"?
All statistitions do is gather data and arrange it in tables and graphs to make it understandable. they don't change the numbers to suit some hidden agenda. That would constitute fraud and in this particular case the data has been confirmed by the religious community itself. So I guess you don't believe them either?
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crotalus_p: That still does not make it any less horrendous of an idea
Well perhaps it may be horrendous to ban divorce altogether but I do think there should be a limit on the amount of times any individual can divorce.
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crotalus_p: reread the way you worded your post
That is simply not true, the ones i stated where compiled by an evangelical Christian if they where biased the would of shown the complete opposite
It is never foolish to except facts from a reputable source
That is simply not true, the ones i stated where compiled by an evangelical Christian if they where biased the would of shown the complete opposite
It is never foolish to except facts from a reputable source
I don't care who "compiled" them...*How* did they compile them? Double blind? Triple Blind? Who payed for the study? What was the expectation of outcome? There are a ton of factors that go into the statistical process, any one of which can destroy the outcome and make it unreliable...
Its equally foolish to rely on statistics, alone, in a decision making process...
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ooby_dooby: Did you read what you wrote before you hit "POST REPLY"?All statistitions do is gather data and arrange it in tables and graphs to make it understandable. they don't change the numbers to suit some hidden agenda. That would constitute fraud and in this particular case the data has been confirmed by the religious community itself. So I guess you don't believe them either?
I don't care about them either way...My point was: they mean nothing.
However, all statisticians are people. People have agendas. They make mistakes...sometimes they commit fraud...you can't rely on them for anything other then anecdotal considerations...
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HondoLaneNJ: I don't care about them either way...My point was: they mean nothing.
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Yes when someone compiles the facts in an easy to understand mannor they mean nothing
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Barna Research Group, 1999-DEC-21,
Variation in divorce rates by religion:
Religion % have been divorced
Jews 30%
Born-again Christians 27%
Other Christians 24%
Atheists, Agnostics 21%
Ron Barrier, Spokespersonn for American Atheists remarked on these findings with some rather caustic comments against organized religion. He said:
"These findings confirm what I have been saying these last five years. Since Atheist ethics are of a higher caliber than religious morals, it stands to reason that our families would be dedicated more to each other than to some invisible monitor in the sky. With Atheism, women and men are equally responsible for a healthy marriage. There is no room in Atheist ethics for the type of 'submissive' nonsense preached by Baptists and other Christian and/or Jewish groups. Atheists reject, and rightly so, the primitive patriarchal attitudes so prevalent in many religions with respect to marriage." 2
StopTheReligiousRight.org had some scathing comments as well:
"We hear an awful lot from conservatives in the Bible Belt and on the TV about how we all should be living. Certainly a culture that teaches the conservative religious values of the Christian right must have clean living written all over it. And lots of ripe fruit from their morally superior lives abounding."
"It doesn't. Far from it. People that talk the loudest may be the ones walking the slowest. Joining its history of Biblically correct bigotry and discrimination, it is an area with the highest divorce, murder, STD/HIV/AIDS, teen pregnancy, single parent homes, infant mortality, and obesity rates in the nation. As a region, the Bible Belt has the poorest health care systems and the lowest rates of high school graduation." 12