Will Zimbabwe Ever Get Better? (20)

Sep 16, 2008 1:18 PM CST Will Zimbabwe Ever Get Better?
Unity agreement doesn't slow exodus of Zimbabweans By DONNA BRYSON, Associated

Press Writer
26 minutes ago



MUSINA, South Africa - A power-sharing deal has not stopped the flow of

Zimbabweans streaming into South Africa to escape the hunger and poverty wrought

by runaway inflation in their homeland.



About 1,000 Zimbabweans seeking asylum formed a line that snaked across a

packed-dirt parking lot in this South African border town Tuesday. Many had been

waiting for days to file their applications.

Some said they feared President Robert Mugabe was still in a position to unleash

violence on his enemies. Others said that while they found hope in the agreement

signed Monday, they did not expect Zimbabwe's economic crisis to be quickly

resolved.

Under the pact, Mugabe remains president and head of government. Morgan Tsvangirai

is prime minister-designate and will head a new Council of Ministers responsible

for forming government policies.

Observers worry that rather than resolution, the agreement heralds government

paralysis.

In Musina, asylum seekers waited restlessly in a lot dotted with ash left over

from the previous night's fires and lengths of cardboard used as mattresses.

Children gathered around a blackened paint pot balanced over a fire to await a

breakfast of corn meal porridge and milk.

Robin Mucheana reached South Africa on Saturday and was still waiting Tuesday to

have his application processed.

For 15 years, Mucheana grew oranges, guavas, avocados and vegetables on a small

farm in Chitungwiza, south of Harare. This year, with official inflation the

highest in the world at 11 million percent, he could not afford seedlings, seeds

or fertilizer. He and his wife resorted to selling vegetables on the streets, but

were barely making enough to feed themselves and their three children.

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Sep 16, 2008 1:19 PM CST Will Zimbabwe Ever Get Better?
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"In the morning, you wake up with bread selling at 8 trillion (Zimbabwe dollars),

at 5 in the evening you get it at 10 trillion. And tomorrow, again, new prices,"

he said. "The hunger is the main issue. Some people are even dying."

The International Red Cross estimates more than 2 million people are hungry in

Zimbabwe, and that the number is going to rise to 5 million, about half the

country's population, by year's end.

Some aid groups estimate that in recent weeks as many as 6,000 Zimbabweans have

been crossing into South Africa every day. Many go back within a few days carrying

groceries and other essentials that are scarce at home.

But there has also been a spike in those seeking refugee status.

While most are men, more and more women and children were coming, said Alexis

Moens, an official with Medecins Sans Frontieres, which has been providing medical

care for Zimbabweans and other immigrants in Musina.

"My feeling is that now more women and children are coming than before (because)

the situation is getting a bit more desperate," she said.

High prices aren't the only reason Zimbabweans are struggling. The last harvest

was poor, and Mugabe's government restricted the work of aid agencies in June,

accusing them of siding with the opposition before a presidential runoff. The ban

was lifted last month, but aid agencies say it takes time to gear up.

"People are eating berries, people are eating roots, people are eating anything

they can get their hands on," said James McGee, the U.S. ambassador to Zimbabwe.

"We're seeing it all over the country."

McGee added the political violence that followed elections in March and sent many

Zimbabweans fleeing across the border has subsided, but not completely

disappeared. He said there were signs of tension in areas where the deaths of

parliamentary candidates or other issues meant new votes would have to be held.

Tsvangirai defeated Mugabe in March presidential elections and his party also

out-polled Mugabe's in parliamentary voting. But Tsvangirai did not win the simple

majority needed to avoid a runoff. An onslaught of state-sponsored violence forced

Tsvangirai to withdraw from the second election, and Mugabe was declared the

winner in a vote widely denounced as a sham.

More than 100 Tsvangirai supporters were killed, thousands were beaten, and tens

of thousands were forced from their homes.

Richard Zuza, a pastor in Zimbabwe's capital of Harare, said the agreement was a

start. But he was also in line for asylum Tuesday, as he had been for four days.

He was fearful of returning because he said new elections were being held in his

area and he had been counseling his congregation not to vote for Mugabe's party.

He said he wanted details on the agreement, such as whether Tsvangirai's party or

Mugabe's would get the ministries overseeing police and the army, two institutions

accused of fomenting violence against Mugabe's opponents.

"If they don't give Mr. Tsvangirai those soldiers, I don't think anything can

change," he said. "Mugabe must resign. Then everything will be all right."

dunno conversing wave
Sep 16, 2008 1:31 PM CST Will Zimbabwe Ever Get Better?
foreveryoung1
foreveryoung1foreveryoung1cartagena, Murcia Spain2 Threads 1 Polls 2,984 Posts
According to the earlier news reports Mugabe gets the Army and Tsvangirai the police, the USA and the UK are continuing sanctions until the new agreement is shown to be working.
Sep 16, 2008 1:35 PM CST Will Zimbabwe Ever Get Better?
foreveryoung1: According to the earlier news reports Mugabe gets the Army and Tsvangirai the police, the USA and the UK are continuing sanctions until the new agreement is shown to be working.
Might guarantee an open Civil War.
Doubt if that Old Codger will give in just like that.sigh wave
Sep 16, 2008 1:37 PM CST Will Zimbabwe Ever Get Better?
foreveryoung1
foreveryoung1foreveryoung1cartagena, Murcia Spain2 Threads 1 Polls 2,984 Posts
Conrad73: Might guarantee an open Civil War.
Doubt if that Old Codger will give in just like that.


The army are far mightier than the police, Mugabe will not resign, part of the agreement is that he will never have to stand trial for war crimes or crimes against the people of Zimbabwe.
Sep 16, 2008 2:44 PM CST Will Zimbabwe Ever Get Better?
mike69spain
mike69spainmike69spainAlmuñécar, Andalusia Spain34 Threads 6 Polls 4,110 Posts
foreveryoung1: The army are far mightier than the police, Mugabe will not resign, part of the agreement is that he will never have to stand trial for war crimes or crimes against the people of Zimbabwe.


Would have been better to trial him first and then let him share what power he had left after.

His "speech" was really not very encouraging for people hoping for a relief from oppression. dunno
Sep 16, 2008 2:48 PM CST Will Zimbabwe Ever Get Better?
foreveryoung1
foreveryoung1foreveryoung1cartagena, Murcia Spain2 Threads 1 Polls 2,984 Posts
mike69spain: Would have been better to trial him first and then let him share what power he had left after.

His "speech" was really not very encouraging for people hoping for a relief from oppression.


Not at all, not a hope for them He and his oppression have ruined what was once the bread basket of Africa and turned it into a dust bowl. He now wants the UK to pay off the farmers that have been removed from the land.

frustrated
Sep 16, 2008 2:52 PM CST Will Zimbabwe Ever Get Better?
Lagoona22
Lagoona22Lagoona22Bugibba, Majjistral Malta161 Threads 11 Polls 10,711 Posts
No...
Sep 16, 2008 2:58 PM CST Will Zimbabwe Ever Get Better?
foreveryoung1: Not at all, not a hope for them He and his oppression have ruined what was once the bread basket of Africa and turned it into a dust bowl. He now wants the UK to pay off the farmers that have been removed from the land.


Last week Berlusconi paid Gaddafi . . Mugabe may think this can become 'the trend'.
Sep 16, 2008 2:59 PM CST Will Zimbabwe Ever Get Better?
foreveryoung1
foreveryoung1foreveryoung1cartagena, Murcia Spain2 Threads 1 Polls 2,984 Posts
Lagoona22: No...


In the last month they have devalued the currency, one million %, and inflation still runs at 11,000.000%. How can anyone ever hope to control that?
Sep 16, 2008 3:08 PM CST Will Zimbabwe Ever Get Better?
foreveryoung1: In the last month they have devalued the currency, one million %, and inflation still runs at 11,000.000%. How can anyone ever hope to control that?

no hope. an ice cube in hell has better chances. poor people sad flower
Sep 18, 2008 6:41 AM CST Will Zimbabwe Ever Get Better?
smoky
smokysmokyUnterland, Zurich Switzerland266 Threads 6 Polls 9,412 Posts
Has anyone here ever visited the Old "Ruins of Zimbabwe"? That little citadel that used to so attract the tourists in the old Rhodesia?

Just think ..... now ...... tourists will have the entire countrys ruins to visit!

Changing subject ........ I wont be surprised if Morgan dies a very sudden and regretful death?!
Sep 18, 2008 7:11 AM CST Will Zimbabwe Ever Get Better?
no1brightongirl
no1brightongirlno1brightongirlbrighton, East Sussex, England UK13 Threads 239 Posts
sorry to say it,but things were better when it was rhodeshia
Sep 18, 2008 7:12 AM CST Will Zimbabwe Ever Get Better?
no1brightongirl
no1brightongirlno1brightongirlbrighton, East Sussex, England UK13 Threads 239 Posts
think i have spellt it wrong?
Sep 18, 2008 7:13 AM CST Will Zimbabwe Ever Get Better?
smoky
smokysmokyUnterland, Zurich Switzerland266 Threads 6 Polls 9,412 Posts
no1brightongirl: sorry to say it,but things were better when it was rhodeshia


Why be sorry? I think everyone living there now agrees it was better then. At least everyone lived well and ate well.sad flower
Sep 18, 2008 7:26 AM CST Will Zimbabwe Ever Get Better?
foreveryoung1
foreveryoung1foreveryoung1cartagena, Murcia Spain2 Threads 1 Polls 2,984 Posts
smoky: Has anyone here ever visited the Old "Ruins of Zimbabwe"? That little citadel that used to so attract the tourists in the old Rhodesia?

Just think ..... now ...... tourists will have the entire countrys ruins to visit!

Changing subject ........ I wont be surprised if Morgan dies a very sudden and regretful death?!


Yes, I have been there, and to many of the other ruins that are there.
It is a very sad country now. Who would want to visit?

sigh
Sep 18, 2008 7:30 AM CST Will Zimbabwe Ever Get Better?
smoky: Has anyone here ever visited the Old "Ruins of Zimbabwe"? That little citadel that used to so attract the tourists in the old Rhodesia?

Just think ..... now ...... tourists will have the entire countrys ruins to visit!

Changing subject ........ I wont be surprised if Morgan dies a very sudden and regretful death?!




In response to: Changing subject ........ I wont be surprised if Morgan dies a very sudden and regretful death?!


That thought has crossed my mind.
"Renegade Elements" of the Police,or some such.sigh uh oh
Sep 18, 2008 7:44 AM CST Will Zimbabwe Ever Get Better?
Give Me Hope Zimbabwe

(sung to the tune of "Gimme Hope Johanna" by Eddie Grant)
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Well Uncle Bob now he runs a country, from Beitbrug to Victoria Falls, He makes a few of his cronies happy, But he don't care about the rest at all.

From a city once called Salisbury, Mugabe rules this destruction, He doesn't care that the starving mothers, have no Sadza to feed their sons.

Chorus: Gimme hope, Zimbabwe Hope Zimbabwe Gimme Hope Zimbabwe 'fore the morning comes Gimme Hope Zimbabwe Hope Zimbabwe Gimme hope before the morning comes.

Stealing all of the country's riches, to buy the weapons from the China man Just to keep himself in power seems to be Mugabe's only plan

Jailing all of the opposition, Killing farmers rigging elections, Making all of his people wonder were they better as Rhodesians?

Chorus

I wanna know if you're blind Mugabe? Do you need to hear the sound of drums? I would buy you a sweet banana, if you'd just leave before the morning comes...

Chorus

Author: evan.davies

A little bit something else I came across on the Webconversing wave
Sep 18, 2008 7:45 AM CST Will Zimbabwe Ever Get Better?
foreveryoung1
foreveryoung1foreveryoung1cartagena, Murcia Spain2 Threads 1 Polls 2,984 Posts
no1brightongirl: sorry to say it,but things were better when it was rhodeshia


got to agree with you, but it was a colony, and that is no longer a viable situation in todays world, even if it does make sense

frustrated
Sep 18, 2008 8:05 AM CST Will Zimbabwe Ever Get Better?
Interesting,though, the Colonies that became Independent with very little or no Violence,are today better off than any of the other ones.
Then there are still The Bermudas,Cayman Islands,Turks and Caicos and Others that chose to remain with Great Britain.
dunno
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