Sweden will enact their wiretapping law, (passed in Jun. 08) in Jan. 09, giving them (FRA) the right to intercept any and all communications in and out of Sweden, emails, phone calls, internet traffic, you name it they can keep an eye on your emails, banking, websites you visit. All ISP providers are required to send all network traffic records to the state for analysis, including any traffic that merely passes through Sweden, routed through. Because of how the internet works, a great deal of traffic from other countries is routed through that country at any given time as it is in any country.
Of course I am not Swedish, so it's information I gleaned off the www. Perhaps a Swede could verify if it's true?
Hoiw do you feel about the insurgence of government, not just in Sweden but also in other countries where government is putting the clamps on internet traffic. Is freedom of speech become a thing of the past?
SirenLydiaBury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England UK4,138 posts
BnaturAl: Sweden will enact their wiretapping law, (passed in Jun. 08) in Jan. 09, giving them (FRA) the right to intercept any and all communications in and out of Sweden, emails, phone calls, internet traffic, you name it they can keep an eye on your emails, banking, websites you visit. All ISP providers are required to send all network traffic records to the state for analysis, including any traffic that merely passes through Sweden, routed through. Because of how the internet works, a great deal of traffic from other countries is routed through that country at any given time as it is in any country.
Of course I am not Swedish, so it's information I gleaned off the www. Perhaps a Swede could verify if it's true?
Hoiw do you feel about the insurgence of government, not just in Sweden but also in other countries where government is putting the clamps on internet traffic. Is freedom of speech become a thing of the past?
This is nothing new and is probably only because of possible terrorist threats.
I don't think anyone would find my email that interesting.
Another thought occurs to me that much can be gleaned about people from forums such as this. So it always comes back to, if you have nothing to hide then it's just an unfortunate side effect of the times we live in.
It's too bad that it's going to happen. I'm thinking (under the radar) that the US had a lot to do with this. The reason being that Sweden is supposedly known as a safe haven for possible terrorist organizations here.
And do know that Sweden bends over happily for the United States of America...
It's too bad that it's going to happen. I'm thinking (under the radar) that the US had a lot to do with this. The reason being that Sweden is supposedly known as a safe haven for possible terrorist organizations here.
And do know that Sweden bends over happily for the United States of America...
You mean like this?
"AT&T has been named a defendant in a class action lawsuit that claims the telecommunications company illegally cooperated with the National Security Agency's secret eavesdropping program.
The lawsuit, filed Tuesday in San Francisco's federal district court, charges that AT&T has opened its telecommunications facilities up to the NSA and continues to "to assist the government in its secret surveillance of millions of ordinary Americans."
The Electronic Frontier Foundation, which filed the suit, says AT&T's alleged cooperation violates free speech and privacy rights found in the U.S. Constitution and also contravenes federal wiretapping law, which prohibits electronic surveillance "except as authorized by statute."
Kevin Bankston, an EFF staff attorney, said he anticipates that the Bush administration will intervene in the case on behalf of AT&T. "We are definitely going to have a fight with the government and AT&T," he said.
AT&T said Tuesday that it needed to review the complaint before it could respond. But AT&T spokesman Dave Pacholczyk told CNET News.com last week in response to a query about NSA cooperation: "We don't comment on matters of national security."
A Los Angeles Times article dated Dec. 26 quoted an unnamed source as saying the NSA has a "direct hookup" into an AT&T database that stores information about all domestic phone calls, including how long they lasted.
If the Bush administration does intervene, EFF could have a formidable hurdle to overcome: the so-called "state secrets" doctrine. "
That's from back around 2006. If memory serves one small telco told the NSA to get stuffed(wish I remembered their name),
and it was hardware tech at one of the major telcos that blew the whistle.
They weren't just monitoriing traffic, he(the hardware tech) helped install hardware that was capturing ALL traffic through their system and storing it. The NSA was then able to search the data just like any other database.
SirenLydia: This is nothing new and is probably only because of possible terrorist threats.
I don't think anyone would find my email that interesting.
Another thought occurs to me that much can be gleaned about people from forums such as this. So it always comes back to, if you have nothing to hide then it's just an unfortunate side effect of the times we live in.
SirenLydia: This is nothing new and is probably only because of possible terrorist threats.
I don't think anyone would find my email that interesting.
Another thought occurs to me that much can be gleaned about people from forums such as this. So it always comes back to, if you have nothing to hide then it's just an unfortunate side effect of the times we live in.
I sort of agree Lydia but stop at the point where all this surveilance impinges upon our rights of free speech. Why should we be afraid to speak our minds about corruption etc?
The only reason I can see for this fear is that if we speak out too loud they will label us 'terrorist or activist' and impose any one of the new powers they have recently invented to shut us up before we get too many others agreeing with us.........
Its real folks......... big brother IS watching us
Indyfella: Actually, big brother has been watching us for a long time.
Every 10 years we have a national census. The government wants information from it's citizens that is none of their business.
When the income tax was created back in the 30's...that was another breach where the government invaded our privacy. How income was derived, etc.
The list goes on and on...
its probably just as well then that big bro didnt have the same eaves dropping capabilities 20 yrs ago or the internet would never have even got off the ground - or maybe this is simply about the madness in their method
SirenLydia: This is nothing new and is probably only because of possible terrorist threats.
I don't think anyone would find my email that interesting.
Another thought occurs to me that much can be gleaned about people from forums such as this. So it always comes back to, if you have nothing to hide then it's just an unfortunate side effect of the times we live in.
I think any terrorist with half a brain would be using encription or 'other' technologies in ways that are less monitorable. I have my doubts about this being a terrorist response. What is concerning to me is that people want to give them credit for pulling of some pretty heinous acts, but then label them as stupid enough to not cover their internet tracks. One second they're organized the next theyre just dumb? Makes no sense. I think the terrorist angle is a red herring.
Every ISP can track and monitor your every move on the web, doesn't matter who it is, ATT or verizon, Bell, cable companies, who ever your account is with. Chat servers can record pass through traffic etc. Its bad enough they can do this and there is no 'disclosure laws save the ISP's integrity I suppose but for gov't to enact laws that allow them to arbitrarily access any database at any time is a step in the wrong direction me thinks.
I dont have anything to hide and that's hardly the point. In analogy, I like being naked but the last thing I want is for someone to have the right to rip my cloths off when they want to. Its a violation of rights and privacy. I understand that posting on public sites is my responsibility but that is taken by choice, not by gov't edicts.
The internet was started, unless I am mistaken by the US war machine and it is the gov't who has taken it upon themselves to upgrade the backbone of the system as well. The gov't interest in maintaining the web is questionable. They don't maintain much else, so why the web?
Ocee35: You mean like this?"AT&T has been named a defendant in a class action lawsuit that claims the telecommunications company illegally cooperated with the National Security Agency's secret eavesdropping program.
The lawsuit, filed Tuesday in San Francisco's federal district court, charges that AT&T has opened its telecommunications facilities up to the NSA and continues to "to assist the government in its secret surveillance of millions of ordinary Americans."
The Electronic Frontier Foundation, which filed the suit, says AT&T's alleged cooperation violates free speech and privacy rights found in the U.S. Constitution and also contravenes federal wiretapping law, which prohibits electronic surveillance "except as authorized by statute."
Kevin Bankston, an EFF staff attorney, said he anticipates that the Bush administration will intervene in the case on behalf of AT&T. "We are definitely going to have a fight with the government and AT&T," he said.
AT&T said Tuesday that it needed to review the complaint before it could respond. But AT&T spokesman Dave Pacholczyk told CNET News.com last week in response to a query about NSA cooperation: "We don't comment on matters of national security."
A Los Angeles Times article dated Dec. 26 quoted an unnamed source as saying the NSA has a "direct hookup" into an AT&T database that stores information about all domestic phone calls, including how long they lasted.
If the Bush administration does intervene, EFF could have a formidable hurdle to overcome: the so-called "state secrets" doctrine. "That's from back around 2006. If memory serves one small telco told the NSA to get stuffed(wish I remembered their name),
and it was hardware tech at one of the major telcos that blew the whistle.
They weren't just monitoriing traffic, he(the hardware tech) helped install hardware that was capturing ALL traffic through their system and storing it. The NSA was then able to search the data just like any other database.
Thats not so unusual really. Data storage is common and really uses very little space on hardrives. It's also possible if you use wireless in your home network (even using encrypted login) for someone to be outside monitoring you and or usng your web connection.
AND if you use your credit card or debit card at a store that uses wireless tech., someone can be out in the parking lot stealing information that is passing through the system, your information, numbers, pins etc. because a lot of stores just don't know how to guard their wireless traffic.
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Of course I am not Swedish, so it's information I gleaned off the www. Perhaps a Swede could verify if it's true?
Hoiw do you feel about the insurgence of government, not just in Sweden but also in other countries where government is putting the clamps on internet traffic. Is freedom of speech become a thing of the past?