Dusty45: Our crazy 'ego' created this world of illusion. Of course, truth is not in illusion. The antichrist -- possibly the creations of our ego - (the illusion). We find truth when we notice the shift in our concepts.
(Ego created by one mistaken concept after another). Living by what J proposed--"Do unto others as you would do unto yourself". Literally may be the answer.
well in the end two commandments-and that covered it dusty-i agree i am so faulty tho
Galactic_bodhi: Literally IS the answer. (it doesn't matter what name you call it. Personal responsibility and social conscience will have to grow, or the world might as well end, because otherwise, I don't want to live here.)
mindfful: im thinkin thats quite a generalization is all
the christians i know are all about good stewardship of any ancome one may have and myself and many many i know- as in hundreds-have never had a credit card have a savings plan of whatever sort and buy what we have the cash to pay for-because credit is borrowing from tomorrow-its not certain so its not a clean practice and not comfortable or even necessary
thats just my opinion
i personally have never regretted cash only basis and have rarely felt lack after really getting honest about needs/desires
GB
It's only a generalization until the faithful need to straighten out their credit. Then they don't pray to God, they call someone like me. Bet that's a blow. God can't solve everything. Some things we actually do have to take responsibility for.
It's only strange if you don't speak Uni-verse, dusty. God speaks in Uni-verse, and he/she does so through all of us.
I'm a firm believer in William Blake's take on God. Anything we can imagine is an image of the creator, and everything beyond our imagination is the mystery of God's own subconscious.
alabamabebe: Why do people who don't even believe in the Bible want to study this stuff? FWIW, the word apocalypse does not even appear in the Bible. There have been over the years so many different interpretations of the revelations, depending on whatever was happening at the time, there is no way to really know what's going to happen till it does. I'm ready no matter what it is, don't really need to know.
Well, the bible is an open document, written in the language we use, and at least from the formal point of view, available to be put under scrutiny with the rules of logic or any other kind of emotional, or dogmatic interpretation. Given this, I have to correct this poster: people that do not believe in the bearded God up there can also read those books and talk about them in whatever way they want; what they are not allowed to do, is to give the official interpretation of the illuminated Church fathers issued and intended to control and manipulate the herds in the most convenient way for them.
I myself have read the bible to know what it says, and also used it in different ways (including to roll a joint or when I forgot to buy toilette paper), so now at this stage of my life, eventhough it contains a few insights (from the great wisdom shared by all humans living in the ancient times), I would not use it much now, except to read between lines some chapters of the history of certain nations(in the Old Testament), or the bizarre constructions of St. Paul (in the New Testament). The true founder of that church.
Galactic_bodhi: It's only strange if you don't speak Uni-verse, dusty. God speaks in Uni-verse, and he/she does so through all of us.
I'm a firm believer in William Blake's take on God. Anything we can imagine is an image of the creator, and everything beyond our imagination is the mystery of God's own subconscious.
Galactic_bodhi: It's only a generalization until the faithful need to straighten out their credit. Then they don't pray to God, they call someone like me. Bet that's a blow. God can't solve everything. Some things we actually do have to take responsibility for.
all im saying is that it unfair/inaccurate to infer that is the way "they" do things or think
im saying its not "all"
no one would post here that any other group does such things
i am talking about being responsible-stewardship-ive seen it and practice it all groups fail in any area that could be mentioned
golden rule? youll never hear me say a certainty about buddhists or jews or blacks or women or men-im not perfect but we must start somewhere w/ that golden rule 'concept'
Fallingman: I kind of agree with you Conrad. Why are so many people so interested in writings that may or may not portend the end of the world.
I am not a believer but I would give believers the same advice as for myself....wake up, smell the coffee, enjoy the sun and the grass and life. Be good and positive. Life is good!
Smell the coffee and enjoy the sun....uhmmm! Well, maybe if we are lucky they both will be there while we stay here. Maybe , maybe not.
Humans have inherited from years of struggle this tendency to stop seeing around (what has been called awareness by different cultures) ......once they found a warm cave where they could eat all the food they had collected with the weapons made by their hands, they felt safe. It is all a natural process that has got mounstrous proportions in this civilization that has taken to the extreme the feeling of security based on the things "we have "... yes, those that we have now....
The intelligent manager of the oil company that proposes drilling in the Artic pole thinks in a similar way: what is the damage? what do we lose? don´t we still have plenty of beautiful things to enjoy?... and millions of other stupid excuses given by the most important ability we humans have in our brain: to give proper foundations to all what is convenient for us.
I will consume tonns of energy this month because I can still pay, and might even purchase an exotic animal from the jungle. I will give the poor thing the opportunity to live "human style" and feel how great is to BE SAFE.
Jose13: Smell the coffee and enjoy the sun....uhmmm! Well, maybe if we are lucky they both will be there while we stay here. Maybe , maybe not.
Humans have inherited from years of struggle this tendency to stop seeing around (what has been called awareness by different cultures) ......once they found a warm cave where they could eat all the food they had collected with the weapons made by their hands, they felt safe. It is all a natural process that has got mounstrous proportions in this civilization that has taken to the extreme the feeling of security based on the things "we have "... yes, those that we have now....
The intelligent manager of the oil company that proposes drilling in the Artic pole thinks in a similar way: what is the damage? what do we lose? don´t we still have plenty of beautiful things to enjoy?... and millions of other stupid excuses given by the most important ability we humans have in our brain: to give proper foundations to all what is convenient for us.
I will consume tonns of energy this month because I can still pay, and might even purchase an exotic animal from the jungle. I will give the poor thing the opportunity to live "human style" and feel how great is to BE SAFE.
I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing here. What I really meant was not love of "things" but that if you want to get solace from religion then why not focus on the happier more positive side rather than the death damnation and destruction stuff. It seems to me that some derive pleasure from their belief that lots of their fellow humans are doomed to hell!!
Fallingman: I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing here. What I really meant was not love of "things" but that if you want to get solace from religion then why not focus on the happier more positive side rather than the death damnation and destruction stuff. It seems to me that some derive pleasure from their belief that lots of their fellow humans are doomed to hell!!
i agree its not what was suggested but yeah thats ego to a kind of arrogance it isnt the true message but seems to have always been louder than all else
Fallingman: I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing here. What I really meant was not love of "things" but that if you want to get solace from religion then why not focus on the happier more positive side rather than the death damnation and destruction stuff. It seems to me that some derive pleasure from their belief that lots of their fellow humans are doomed to hell!!
That pleasure might come from a kind of attitude that is quite human too.
People see the world as they see themselves, so when people take "pleasure" in talking about our doom probably just convey what they have inside, just convey the doom they feel inside too.
As for those that talk about the pleasures of life and all that stuff I understand them too. Both extremes, the doom announcers and the fresh life-lovers are the same in the end...
I can see how easy the optimistic can migrate to the desperate view of life when something goes wrong inside their little cages. Their shallowness is then their worst tragedy, and when that happens they really make me laugh, not a miligram of pity for their opportunism.
mindfful: i agree its not what was suggested but yeah thats ego to a kind of arrogance it isnt the true message but seems to have always been louder than all else
sucky FM
Well, it is always hard to understand this awful choppy writing but if I understand this a bit it is necessary to say, that arrogance is in those that just enjoy the little paradise of their cages while being unable to feel what is going on out there. Maybe, in the end, all of us are like that.
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possibly the creations of our ego - (the illusion). We find truth when we notice the shift in our
concepts.
(Ego created by one mistaken concept after another). Living by what J proposed--"Do
unto others as you would do unto yourself". Literally may be the answer.
well in the end two commandments-and that covered it dusty-i agree
i am so faulty tho
like yesterday