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Sep 25, 2008 12:42 AM CST jvaski, is so right, yet only get's 4 responses.
gentlepaws
gentlepawsgentlepawsAny town, Ontario Canada1,301 Threads 16 Polls 12,355 Posts
It took hundreds of years for the Roman empire to collapse. They fell for the exact same reasons as the US is now discovering. Except everything is now accelerated through technology. If you could go back in time and ask a Roman under Caesar about their country and the power that they held over the known world, they would say, "We're the greatest power on earth, and will remain so".

Wake up, stop listening to the propaganda spewed by partisan media networks. It may hurt, but start thinking for yourselves.
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Sep 25, 2008 12:43 AM CST jvaski, is so right, yet only get's 4 responses.
mindfful
mindffulmindffulChicago, Illinois USA307 Threads 9 Polls 25,009 Posts
gotta say


thumbs up

and then vote fer petes sake!



hi pawswave
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Sep 25, 2008 12:45 AM CST jvaski, is so right, yet only get's 4 responses.
desmond
desmonddesmondkissimmee, Florida USA586 Threads 13,816 Posts
Leo you are so right but some people can't see past there party and will never change
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Sep 25, 2008 1:51 AM CST jvaski, is so right, yet only get's 4 responses.
jvaski
jvaskijvaskiunknown, California USA161 Threads 14 Polls 14,925 Posts
This isn't a party issue , it's a whole denial mentality. Having polled my friends - I have found the ones who voted Bush in and are McCain supporters have no real grip on reality. They think there's no recession because their jobs haven't been affected yet, they argue there's no global warming because they haven't been outside their small world they live in, they think we just need to drill for more oil - rather than look for alternative fuel. These same people have no real substantial reason why they like McCain, and argue that Obama will raise taxes and cater to the poor with their tax money.
It's purely prejudice against Obama for being black , and ignorant denial for having already made a bad choice. They seem to be stubborne McCain supporters just to save face. It's pure ignorance.
Personally, judging by how the man acts, I think Obama is clearly the one who will do the right thing.
He may be inexperienced , which might allow him to think outside the box - rather than follow a traditional and beaten path . WE Need Serious Change !!
Whatever we do here affects the whole world economy . Think again people, think hard this time !


confused frustrated very mad
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Sep 25, 2008 1:53 AM CST jvaski, is so right, yet only get's 4 responses.
kidatheart
kidatheartkidatheartFruitvale, British Columbia Canada33 Threads 24,897 Posts
I still think Ron Paul would be the best choice in the upcoming election.
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Sep 25, 2008 1:54 AM CST jvaski, is so right, yet only get's 4 responses.
Marathon
MarathonMarathonOklahoma, USA5 Threads 508 Posts
I'll vote when I someone runs who isn't a corrupt stooge.
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Sep 25, 2008 1:55 AM CST jvaski, is so right, yet only get's 4 responses.
jlw45
jlw45jlw45lake Dallas, Texas USA101 Threads 1 Polls 21,759 Posts
i have to say....im with kid and marathon on this onethumbs up
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Sep 25, 2008 1:58 AM CST jvaski, is so right, yet only get's 4 responses.
Marathon
MarathonMarathonOklahoma, USA5 Threads 508 Posts
Honestly haven't investigated Ron Paul. My Dad gives him rave reviews.
Guess the whole full-time politician thing shot him down in my eye.
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Sep 25, 2008 2:16 AM CST jvaski, is so right, yet only get's 4 responses.
Galactic_bodhi
Galactic_bodhiGalactic_bodhiAkron, Ohio USA786 Threads 2 Polls 12,449 Posts
Nobody is qualified to be president, until they're actually president. Until that first briefing occurs, people have no idea what they're in for...

That's why I'm voting Obama. Sure, he's young, inexperienced, possibly arrogant as hell. All the signs of youth, and all a reflection of the callow arrogance of our country itself. Something the position is in sore need of. Read above and think about this: Youth adapts, Age reacts. I don't want a president that is going to do the same thing over and over and expect a different result. He's the only one talking about the future as the future, rather than a return to something we already know won't work.

Whatever. My two cents. You people will vote your own conscience. I've seen the possibility of an actual unified secular nation, free of all the bigoted rhetoric that accompanies our nation's inherint hypocrisy. Martin Luther King's dream could take a big step forward, if people could just set aside their dogma's and work together as Americans, without racial or creed distinctions.

People really need to grow up!

very mad mumbling frustrated
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Sep 25, 2008 5:35 AM CST jvaski, is so right, yet only get's 4 responses.
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK231 Threads 6 Polls 19,911 Posts
kidatheart: I still think Ron Paul would be the best choice in the upcoming election.


Hiya Kid, I often agree with what you say but on this occasion, having looked into Pauls background quite a lot over the last few weeks, I just cannot agree. I think the guy is a bit of a nutjob who is suffering from the early symptoms of dementia....... I did like him from what I read on the surface then I read something which suggested that instead of looking for reasons to vote 'for' a person, it could be interesting to look at the criticisms they elicit from others and in Pauls case, I have found plenty.

This stuff is copied from;


Take a look at Ron Paul’s resume. I know it’s fashionable to love Ron Paul, but many who support him have no idea who they really support. Besides this list here, Paul would like to get rid of all middle class subsidies. Guess someone should let Mr. Paul know that the middle class is what makes the American economy what it is. Without their spending power, America is as good as dead. Take away what makes them middle class and you take away the middle class.

Paul introduced The Sanctity of Life Act of 2005, a bill that would have defined human life to begin at conception, and removed challenges to prohibitions on abortion from federal court jurisdiction. Defining embryos and fetuses as persons would make abortion murder and outlaw fetal stem cell research and some contraception and fertility treatments. In 2005, Paul introduced the We the People Act, which would have removed “any claim based upon the right of privacy, including any such claim related to any issue of … reproduction” from the jurisdiction of federal courts. If made law, either of these acts would allow states to PROHIBIT ABORTION.

Ron Paul opposes universal health care.
Ron Paul is a fundamentalist born-again Christian who believes there is a war on Christmas being waged by the secular left.
Ron Paul supporters seem to be composed largely of people who oppose the war in Iraq, but for some reason believe they have no choice but to support a Republican over any Democrat (in addition to the smaller number of hard-core true believers). These casual supporters need to be aware that the vast majority of his views are bizarre and extreme.

Ron Paul is the candidate backed by the White Supremacists…


Ron Paul authored a newsletter in which he made the following racist statements (among many others):
RP Quote: “If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be.”
RP Quote: “Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions”
RP Quote: “Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the “criminal justice system,” I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal”
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Sep 25, 2008 5:36 AM CST jvaski, is so right, yet only get's 4 responses.
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK231 Threads 6 Polls 19,911 Posts
RP Quote: “we are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers.”
RP Quote: “We don’t think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That’s true for most people, but black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such.”
RP Quote: “What else do we need to know about the political establishment than that it refuses to discuss the crimes that terrify Americans on grounds that doing so is racist? Why isn’t that true of complex embezzling, which is 100 percent white and Asian?”

He wants to ban abortion, legalise the teaching of creationism and remove the separation between church and state. His politics stink of Christian fundamentalism and to believe otherwise is a fantasy.

A vote for Ron Paul endorses irrationality, dishonesty, bigotry, racism, fundamentalism, obscurationism and an incredibly retrograde and backwards world view. If you vote for Ron Paul, you are voting for these things. You don’t get to pick and choose and claim that your vote endorses a “balanced budget” and not “a 19th century style deportation project estimated to cause over a hundred thousand deaths”.
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Sep 25, 2008 5:43 AM CST jvaski, is so right, yet only get's 4 responses.
Olsojente
OlsojenteOlsojenteOslo/Zadar, Oslo Norway68 Threads 5 Polls 6,857 Posts
Ron Pauls views on abortion was enough to make me stop reading more...


wave Trish!!
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Sep 25, 2008 5:54 AM CST jvaski, is so right, yet only get's 4 responses.
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK231 Threads 6 Polls 19,911 Posts
Olsojente: Ron Pauls views on abortion was enough to make me stop reading more... Trish!!


Morning Cathrine wave hug

I really thought he was a good guy till I started a bit of deeper research and then the penny dropped - theres even rumours that he has had campaign donations from the KKK - dont know the truth of that though but as you say, his views on abortion and the right of women to have control of our own bodies is enough............ thumbs up
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Sep 25, 2008 5:59 AM CST jvaski, is so right, yet only get's 4 responses.
keytone
keytonekeytonePortland, Oregon USA39 Threads 3 Polls 2,180 Posts
gentlepaws: It took hundreds of years for the Roman empire to collapse. They fell for the exact same reasons as the US is now discovering. Except everything is now accelerated through technology. If you could go back in time and ask a Roman under Caesar about their country and the power that they held over the known world, they would say, "We're the greatest power on earth, and will remain so".

Wake up, stop listening to the propaganda spewed by partisan media networks. It may hurt, but start thinking for yourselves.
you are correct Leo. My late Stepfather would verse me on how the parralel of that time and this time were following the same steps, just as many fled to the US as so did the Etruscans flee from Asia Minor (modern day Turkey). My Late stepfather wrote out a series of events which followed just what we have and of course after the change of Rome from republic to empire, the Monarchy of ceasar and then his nephew Octavious for many years.
Where are we in that present timeline? hmmm , who will know till it is there?
This is not about a election. more of where we have led ourselves to and if we will learn from mistakes made time and time again.
History tends to repeat itself. Mankind seems to repeat the same mistakes and weaknesses.
;-}
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Sep 25, 2008 6:03 AM CST jvaski, is so right, yet only get's 4 responses.
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK231 Threads 6 Polls 19,911 Posts
Olsojente: Ron Pauls views on abortion was enough to make me stop reading more... Trish!!


Have posted a George Carlin vid on it Cath thumbs up
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Sep 25, 2008 6:03 AM CST jvaski, is so right, yet only get's 4 responses.
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA230 Threads 9 Polls 27,698 Posts
jvaski: This isn't a party issue , it's a whole denial mentality. Having polled my friends - I have found the ones who voted Bush in and are McCain supporters have no real grip on reality. They think there's no recession because their jobs haven't been affected yet, they argue there's no global warming because they haven't been outside their small world they live in, they think we just need to drill for more oil - rather than look for alternative fuel. These same people have no real substantial reason why they like McCain, and argue that Obama will raise taxes and cater to the poor with their tax money.
It's purely prejudice against Obama for being black , and ignorant denial for having already made a bad choice. They seem to be stubborne McCain supporters just to save face. It's pure ignorance.
Personally, judging by how the man acts, I think Obama is clearly the one who will do the right thing.
He may be inexperienced , which might allow him to think outside the box - rather than follow a traditional and beaten path . WE Need Serious Change !!
Whatever we do here affects the whole world economy . Think again people, think hard this time !



You're known by the friends you keep.... hmmmmconfused
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Sep 25, 2008 6:07 AM CST jvaski, is so right, yet only get's 4 responses.
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK231 Threads 6 Polls 19,911 Posts
keytone: you are correct Leo. My late Stepfather would verse me on how the parralel of that time and this time were following the same steps, just as many fled to the US as so did the Etruscans flee from Asia Minor (modern day Turkey). My Late stepfather wrote out a series of events which followed just what we have and of course after the change of Rome from republic to empire, the Monarchy of ceasar and then his nephew Octavious for many years.
Where are we in that present timeline? hmmm , who will know till it is there?
This is not about a election. more of where we have led ourselves to and if we will learn from mistakes made time and time again.
History tends to repeat itself. Mankind seems to repeat the same mistakes and weaknesses.
;-}


I was reading a really good piece on the fall of empires last night Bettis and thought of posting it - the fact that this thread has come up this very morning seems to me that serendipity is leading me on.......... Im a bit reluctant cos I dont want people accusing me of being anti American dunno actually, bother that, Im not anti American, Im anti imperialism - will post it in a min, its a bit of a long piece......

Mornin Bettis wave
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Sep 25, 2008 6:12 AM CST jvaski, is so right, yet only get's 4 responses.
keytone
keytonekeytonePortland, Oregon USA39 Threads 3 Polls 2,180 Posts
trish123: I was reading a really good piece on the fall of empires last night Bettis and thought of posting it - the fact that this thread has come up this very morning seems to me that serendipity is leading me on.......... Im a bit reluctant cos I dont want people accusing me of being anti American actually, bother that, Im not anti American, Im anti imperialism - will post it in a min, its a bit of a long piece......

Mornin Bettis
HI Trish.
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Sep 25, 2008 6:17 AM CST jvaski, is so right, yet only get's 4 responses.
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA230 Threads 9 Polls 27,698 Posts
jvaski: This isn't a party issue , it's a whole denial mentality. Having polled my friends - I have found the ones who voted Bush in and are McCain supporters have no real grip on reality. They think there's no recession because their jobs haven't been affected yet, they argue there's no global warming because they haven't been outside their small world they live in, they think we just need to drill for more oil - rather than look for alternative fuel. These same people have no real substantial reason why they like McCain, and argue that Obama will raise taxes and cater to the poor with their tax money.
It's purely prejudice against Obama for being black , and ignorant denial for having already made a bad choice. They seem to be stubborne McCain supporters just to save face. It's pure ignorance.
Personally, judging by how the man acts, I think Obama is clearly the one who will do the right thing.
He may be inexperienced , which might allow him to think outside the box - rather than follow a traditional and beaten path . WE Need Serious Change !!
Whatever we do here affects the whole world economy . Think again people, think hard this time !


Obama could be lilly white and with his proposals I'd still think he's bad for the country. McCain is only slightly better. Obama's 143 days in the senate aren't all that impressive. moping
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Sep 25, 2008 6:19 AM CST jvaski, is so right, yet only get's 4 responses.
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA230 Threads 9 Polls 27,698 Posts
upside, there's 19 responses applause
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