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Sep 27, 2008 3:15 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
Dusty45
Dusty45Dusty45Louisville, Kentucky USA57 Threads 3,238 Posts
dunno

Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary -
Soul

Soul\, n. [OE. soule, saule, AS. swel, swl; akin to OFries. s?le, OS. s?ola, D. ziel, G. seele, OHG. s?la, s?ula, Icel. sla, Sw. sjl, Dan. sil, Goth. saiwala; of uncertain origin, perhaps akin to L. saeculum a lifetime, age (cf. Secular.)]

1. The spiritual, rational, and immortal part in man; that part of man which enables him to think, and which renders him a subject of moral government; -- sometimes, in distinction from the higher nature, or spirit, of man, the so-called animal soul, that is, the seat of life, the sensitive affections and phantasy, exclusive of the voluntary and rational powers; -- sometimes, in distinction from the mind, the moral and emotional part of man's nature, the seat of feeling, in distinction from intellect; -- sometimes, the intellect only; the understanding; the seat of knowledge, as distinguished from feeling. In a more general sense, "an animating, separable, surviving entity, the vehicle of individual personal existence." --Tylor.

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Atheist

a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.
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Sep 27, 2008 3:18 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
Claayer
ClaayerClaayerWild Wild South West, Cornwall, England UK144 Threads 13 Polls 22,386 Posts
Well I am one of them HUM! ::gasp:::

and I have a soul... (and a heart)

My soul belongs to me. snooty

and maybe I see it a little differently to how someone that believes in a god sees theirs.

I like mine.. its actually very nice. very happy
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Sep 27, 2008 3:19 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
Galactic_bodhi
Galactic_bodhiGalactic_bodhiAkron, Ohio USA786 Threads 2 Polls 12,449 Posts
The absence of a diety within a personal philosophy does not negate a spiritual doctrine, merely a theistic one.
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Sep 27, 2008 3:20 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
Claayer
ClaayerClaayerWild Wild South West, Cornwall, England UK144 Threads 13 Polls 22,386 Posts
Galactic_bodhi: The absence of a diety within a personal philosophy does not negate a spiritual doctrine, merely a theistic one.


yep thumbs up
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Sep 27, 2008 3:20 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
Dusty45
Dusty45Dusty45Louisville, Kentucky USA57 Threads 3,238 Posts
Claayer: Well I am one of them HUM! ::gasp:::

and I have a soul... (and a heart)

My soul belongs to me .

and maybe I see it a little differently to how someone that believes in a god sees theirs.

I like mine.. its actually very nice.


I truly believe it (your soul) is nice along with a good heart.
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Sep 27, 2008 3:22 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
Claayer
ClaayerClaayerWild Wild South West, Cornwall, England UK144 Threads 13 Polls 22,386 Posts
Dusty45: I truly believe it (your soul) is nice along with a good heart.


Aaww thankyou Dusty hug
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Sep 27, 2008 3:22 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
Dusty45
Dusty45Dusty45Louisville, Kentucky USA57 Threads 3,238 Posts
Galactic_bodhi: The absence of a diety within a personal philosophy does not negate a spiritual doctrine, merely a theistic one.


I'm not sure.
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Sep 27, 2008 3:33 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
Galactic_bodhi
Galactic_bodhiGalactic_bodhiAkron, Ohio USA786 Threads 2 Polls 12,449 Posts
Dusty45: I'm not sure.


What aren't you sure about? The definitions are cut and dried. Science has proven energy can neither be created nor destroyed, only altered in form. That sure sounds like a soul, or spirit, to me. From a purely secular point of view that's enough evidence for me.

As for proof of a diety, any diety, not exclusive to the Abrahamic one, there is no evidence, for or against. Using Occam's Razor, all things being equal, and proof of a negative being impossible, none exist. I believe in Santa Claus more than I do a god.

That doesn't preclude a higher dimensional nature to all of us that pretty much fits the semantics laid forth in your definition of a soul.
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Sep 27, 2008 3:35 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
Galactic_bodhi: The absence of a diety within a personal philosophy does not negate a spiritual doctrine, merely a theistic one.
thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up
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Sep 27, 2008 3:36 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
Dusty45
Dusty45Dusty45Louisville, Kentucky USA57 Threads 3,238 Posts
Galactic_bodhi: The absence of a diety within a personal philosophy does not negate a spiritual doctrine, merely a theistic one.


Would you be saying that the Atheist holds a spiritual doctrine?
They would believe in an intangible essence?
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Sep 27, 2008 3:37 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
mindfful
mindffulmindffulChicago, Illinois USA307 Threads 9 Polls 25,009 Posts
Claayer: Well I am one of them HUM! ::gasp:::

and I have a soul... (and a heart)

My soul belongs to me .

and maybe I see it a little differently to how someone that believes in a god sees theirs.

I like mine.. its actually very nice.


it smells like peanut butter cookies






i think every human has a soul? whereas animals dont?

i dunno

i dont feel like i have one sometimes cuz i assume if i did i wouldnt be beaten up by others that have one?

its a convoluted subject to be sure
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Sep 27, 2008 3:42 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
Dusty45
Dusty45Dusty45Louisville, Kentucky USA57 Threads 3,238 Posts
Would it matter if I called energy plus information God?
(with the infusion of spiritual Love)
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Sep 27, 2008 3:48 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
Galactic_bodhi
Galactic_bodhiGalactic_bodhiAkron, Ohio USA786 Threads 2 Polls 12,449 Posts
Dusty45: Would you be saying that the Atheist holds a spiritual doctrine?
They would believe in an intangible essence?


In my philosophy we called that the Buddha nature, all god's and demons being twisted ego and id emanations of that ultimate source of life eternal. We could not reincarnate if there wasn't something that turned into apparant nothing, and then something again.

But it's the knowledge of self, of how our actions ties us to this plane of existence, again and again, that motivate our morality, not our fear, love, or respect of some Father figure who says don't do it or I'll spank you!

"You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger." - Guatama Buddha.
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Sep 27, 2008 3:55 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
AnAngelAlways
AnAngelAlwaysAnAngelAlwaysJoshua, Texas USA4 Threads 750 Posts
I think both Potter and Claayer have good hearts and souls. hug angel
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Sep 27, 2008 3:58 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
Dusty45
Dusty45Dusty45Louisville, Kentucky USA57 Threads 3,238 Posts
Galactic_bodhi: In my philosophy we called that the Buddha nature, all god's and demons being twisted ego and id emanations of that ultimate source of life eternal. We could not reincarnate if there wasn't something that turned into apparant nothing, and then something again.

But it's the knowledge of self, of how our actions ties us to this plane of existence, again and again, that motivate our morality, not our fear, love, or respect of some Father figure who says don't do it or I'll spank you!

"You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger." - Guatama Buddha.

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I've been reading a bit of the Tao Te Ching lately. I can't tell you
how much I love reading it.

I would say I am slanted toward the path of Buddhism. It resonates
well with me. I can't shake my belief in a higher power, though, where
it feels part of my heart.
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Sep 27, 2008 3:59 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
Galactic_bodhi
Galactic_bodhiGalactic_bodhiAkron, Ohio USA786 Threads 2 Polls 12,449 Posts
Dusty45: Would it matter if I called energy plus information God?
(with the infusion of spiritual Love)


That's more of a deistic or Gnostic view, not a theistic one. I mean if it matters at all...dunno confused
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Sep 27, 2008 4:00 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
Dusty45
Dusty45Dusty45Louisville, Kentucky USA57 Threads 3,238 Posts
AnAngelAlways: I think both Potter and Claayer have good hearts and souls.


thumbs up We all do, minus that dirty, rotten ole ego. haha
I kid alot.wave
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Sep 27, 2008 4:05 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK231 Threads 6 Polls 19,911 Posts
'soul' is an erroneous concept - some would say that the terms 'soul' and 'atheist' are mutually dismissive.....

as an Atheist myself, the matter of the soul disturbs me very little - Im more into the scientific principles of cognition - cognition explains soul quite adequately to me - principled awareness explains it even better.........
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Sep 27, 2008 4:12 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
Dusty45
Dusty45Dusty45Louisville, Kentucky USA57 Threads 3,238 Posts
trish123: 'soul' is an erroneous concept - some would say that the terms 'soul' and 'atheist' are mutually dismissive.....

as an Atheist myself, the matter of the soul disturbs me very little - Im more into the scientific principles of cognition - cognition explains soul quite adequately to me - principled awareness explains it even better.........


It could very well be erroneous and very outdated. (soul)
Although, it feels right to the heart. (for myself)
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Sep 27, 2008 4:22 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
Galactic_bodhi
Galactic_bodhiGalactic_bodhiAkron, Ohio USA786 Threads 2 Polls 12,449 Posts
trish123: 'soul' is an erroneous concept - some would say that the terms 'soul' and 'atheist' are mutually dismissive.....

as an Atheist myself, the matter of the soul disturbs me very little - Im more into the scientific principles of cognition - cognition explains soul quite adequately to me - principled awareness explains it even better.........


How about higher ordered energy matrices? tongue

How do you explain the apparent non-local nature of certain documented psychic phenomenon, then? dunno

There's always room for doubt in a true atheists mind, but the principles governing mesons and bosons and their relationships with conscious are JUST now beginning to be explored, so I think its best to avoid semantical distinctions with the words "soul" or "atman" at this point in time.

"There is more on heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy..." - Hamlet
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