Does the Atheist have a soul? ( Archived) (269)

Sep 27, 2008 6:01 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
Aries01: ... not so good.... the movie and connecting singles kinda won in the struggle for dominance

Nite nite hun



Nighty Night darlin....hug teddybear hug bouquet
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Sep 27, 2008 6:06 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
riyablossom
riyablossomriyablossomsomewhere, Pennsylvania USA184 Threads 18 Polls 11,244 Posts
Galactic_bodhi: There are certain aspects of parapsychology that are impossible to deny. The forces at work are undeniable; the source of these forces is what's under such intense and polarized debate. Traditional psychology wants to discount it as all related to the individual psyche, but I think it's more than that. In the sense of someone like Edgar Cayce, its hard to deny the validity of his remedies, even though it is his personal contention that it all comes from God. God is not the issue. The effect is the issue, and I'm not too concerned with the definition of the source other than the recognition that it is there...wherever "there" is...


I agree with you .. It IS fascinating. But what i was trying to say is a lot of parapsychology concepts and proofs ( like a number of incidents regarding spirits ) are not giving due regard .. sooo .. dunno

But i think the same .. its the " what " that exists which matters so much.



(( Rahul .. Bahut hi pate ki baatein kehta hai. Bahut kuch janta hai yeh ))
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Sep 27, 2008 6:08 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
pyaremohan
pyaremohanpyaremohandelhi, Delhi India19 Threads 1,084 Posts
riyablossom: But parapsychology itself is not very accepted rite ..

I think atheism can coexist with being spiritual or having faith in some higher power which neednt be a symbolic deity or god ...

So .. thinking that way atheism can be marked by a touch of ambiguity .. to say i dont know we just die and no clue after that ..

Sooo .. i think it is acceptable to have the concept of a soul even if you dont believe in " god "


riya hinduisms take on this is pretty open: Astika atheism n Nastika atheism

Astika atheism refers to belief in the Vedas, not belief in the existence of God.The atheistic viewpoint as present in the Samkhya and Mimamsa schools of Hindu philosophy takes the form of rejecting a creator-God. The Samkhya school believed in a dual existence of Prakriti ("nature") and Purusha ("spirit") and had no place for an Ishvara ("God") in its system. The early Mimamsakas believed in a adrishta ("unseen") that was the result of performing karmas ("works") and saw no need for an Ishvara in their system. Mimamsa, as a philosophy, deals exclusively with karma and thus is sometimes called Karma-Mimamsa. The karmas dealt with in Mimamsa concern the performance of Yajnas ("sacrifices to gods") enjoined in the Vedas.

The Vedanta philosophy had its practitioners advocating a Nirguna Brahman of which the most prominent example is Adi Shankara.



Nastikas:Jainism, Buddhism and Carvaka for rejecting the doctrine of Vedas. Nastika refers to the non-belief of Vedas rather than non-belief of God. However, all these schools also rejected a notion of creationist god .
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Sep 27, 2008 6:13 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
An Atheist "believes" there is no god or superior being no soul, no after life, no heaven, no hell. In a way Atheism is a form of religion because the Atheist "believes" in something albeit a negative.

The agnostic believes nothing, he just doesn't know and is open minded to proof of that which the religious community espouses. He doesn't accept that which can't be proven by scientific means, therefore he rejects the trappings and dogma of the religious community with all its rituals and taboos and symbols. If someone could take a rib from a man and turn it into a woman and if it could be repeated whenever one wanted to, the agnostic would accept that yes you can indeed make a woman from the rib of a man. This would apply to all the other claims made for a god or superior being.
This also goes for a "soul" if one could produce a soul, put it on the table,measure it, weigh it take a picture of it, smell it, poke it, the agnostic would say ok there is such a thing as a soul, but not until then. To the agnostic, saying there's a soul just because someone says there is or has faith that there is, without scientific proof, the agnostic would simply not accept it as something that exists.
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Sep 27, 2008 6:15 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA152 Threads 8 Polls 18,150 Posts
ooby_dooby: An Atheist "believes" there is no god or superior being no soul, no after life, no heaven, no hell. In a way Atheism is a form of religion because the Atheist "believes" in something albeit a negative.

The agnostic believes nothing, he just doesn't know and is open minded to proof of that which the religious community espouses. He doesn't accept that which can't be proven by scientific means, therefore he rejects the trappings and dogma of the religious community with all its rituals and taboos and symbols. If someone could take a rib from a man and turn it into a woman and if it could be repeated whenever one wanted to, the agnostic would accept that yes you can indeed make a woman from the rib of a man. This would apply to all the other claims made for a god or superior being.
This also goes for a "soul" if one could produce a soul, put it on the table,measure it, weigh it take a picture of it, smell it, poke it, the agnostic would say ok there is such a thing as a soul, but not until then. To the agnostic, saying there's a soul just because someone says there is or has faith that there is, without scientific proof, the agnostic would simply not accept it as something that exists.



Damn...the first time I've ever agreed with anything you've ever said....that makes sense. applause
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Sep 27, 2008 6:16 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
pyaremohan
pyaremohanpyaremohandelhi, Delhi India19 Threads 1,084 Posts
riyablossom: I agree with you .. It IS fascinating. But what i was trying to say is a lot of parapsychology concepts and proofs ( like a number of incidents regarding spirits ) are not giving due regard .. sooo ..

But i think the same .. its the " what " that exists which matters so much.
(( Rahul .. Bahut hi pate ki baatein kehta hai. Bahut kuch janta hai yeh ))



riya ek post iska hawa me that.....isko khud nahi pata kya bol raha tha so main bola grin
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Sep 27, 2008 6:21 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
pyaremohan
pyaremohanpyaremohandelhi, Delhi India19 Threads 1,084 Posts
Galactic_bodhi: So is quantum physics. But inference is inference. A COMPLETE lack of data to infer from denotes a reason for skepticism. Ambiguity suggests further study..



lol wrong comparison , thumbs up skepticism yes but


Parapsychology ..... is a mockery of scientific methods
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Sep 27, 2008 6:22 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
riyablossom
riyablossomriyablossomsomewhere, Pennsylvania USA184 Threads 18 Polls 11,244 Posts
Thats interesting .. will read up .. Thanks rahul.
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Sep 27, 2008 6:30 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
ooby_dooby: An Atheist "believes" there is no god or superior being no soul, no after life, no heaven, no hell. In a way Atheism is a form of religion because the Atheist "believes" in something albeit a negative.

The agnostic believes nothing, he just doesn't know and is open minded to proof of that which the religious community espouses. He doesn't accept that which can't be proven by scientific means, therefore he rejects the trappings and dogma of the religious community with all its rituals and taboos and symbols. If someone could take a rib from a man and turn it into a woman and if it could be repeated whenever one wanted to, the agnostic would accept that yes you can indeed make a woman from the rib of a man. This would apply to all the other claims made for a god or superior being.
This also goes for a "soul" if one could produce a soul, put it on the table,measure it, weigh it take a picture of it, smell it, poke it, the agnostic would say ok there is such a thing as a soul, but not until then. To the agnostic, saying there's a soul just because someone says there is or has faith that there is, without scientific proof, the agnostic would simply not accept it as something that exists.


Id love to kow how you think my beliefs equate to a negative rolling on the floor laughing
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Sep 27, 2008 6:32 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
pyaremohan: lol wrong comparison , skepticism yes but


Parapsychology ..... is a mockery of scientific methods



I agree - parapsychology is nothing more than a money spinner........
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Sep 27, 2008 6:35 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
pyaremohan
pyaremohanpyaremohandelhi, Delhi India19 Threads 1,084 Posts
trish123: I agree - parapsychology is nothing more than a money spinner........



am angry with ya mommy .no greetings no hi whats this .u forgot ur son?hug
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Sep 27, 2008 6:41 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
pyaremohan: am angry with ya mommy .no greetings no hi whats this .u forgot ur son?



you should know these things my son.............. lets not waste time with anger hey.... hug teddybear bouquet
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Sep 27, 2008 6:42 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
Galactic_bodhi
Galactic_bodhiGalactic_bodhiAkron, Ohio USA609 Threads 1 Polls 9,196 Posts
trish123: I agree - parapsychology is nothing more than a money spinner........


So is astrology. But legitimate psychologists use it nonetheless...tongue
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Sep 27, 2008 6:45 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
Galactic_bodhi: So is astrology. But legitimate psychologists use it nonetheless...



Yup... agreed - astrology is a pretty useful tool though - it gives a sound basis for discussion............
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Sep 27, 2008 6:48 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
pyaremohan
pyaremohanpyaremohandelhi, Delhi India19 Threads 1,084 Posts
trish123: you should know these things my son.............. lets not waste time with anger hey....


oye was kiddin .....to seek ur attention (kids do it you know n they love it) ....lol ok mommy ..never angry with ya or anyone(i will try) rolling on the floor laughing


bye for now mommy,all

hug wave
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Sep 27, 2008 6:55 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
Dusty45
Dusty45Dusty45Louisville, Kentucky USA54 Threads 2,642 Posts
Are there degrees of Atheism?

I don't think I have ever met a resolute Atheist. A person who does not believe in something intangible
that sustains Life and Love. This is a case where I would think it would be a black or white, no
shades of grey belief without options.

Would if be possible that some people would want to rethink their definitions of how they would
describe their belief system?

As for me...my concepts/perceptions change all the time contingent upon added information.
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Sep 27, 2008 7:01 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
Dusty45: Are there degrees of Atheism?

I don't think I have ever met a resolute Atheist. A person who does not believe in something intangible
that sustains Life and Love. This is a case where I would think it would be a black or white, no
shades of grey belief without options.

Would if be possible that some people would want to rethink their definitions of how they would
describe their belief system?

As for me...my concepts/perceptions change all the time contingent upon added information.



Oh Im a totally resolute Atheist - resolute that its way past time I went to sleep at least.........laugh

but, truly, I have found resolution in my beliefs - I will be happy to speak of these issueswhen I have had some sleep tip hat
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Sep 27, 2008 7:04 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
Dusty45
Dusty45Dusty45Louisville, Kentucky USA54 Threads 2,642 Posts
trish123: Oh Im a totally resolute Atheist - resolute that its way past time I went to sleep at least.........

but, truly, I have found resolution in my beliefs - I will be happy to speak of these issueswhen I have had some sleep


Goodnight Trish, You are loved.hug
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Sep 27, 2008 7:08 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
Dusty45
Dusty45Dusty45Louisville, Kentucky USA54 Threads 2,642 Posts
laugh ok, who's the joker?laugh
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Sep 27, 2008 7:08 PM CST Does the Atheist have a soul?
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
Dusty45: Goodnight Trish, You are loved.


You too sweetie - great thread hug
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