Dusty45: Our brain is an instrument that only translates. Our 'mind' allows the information in, which is selective.
an ability to reason/select is a function of chemical responses within the cerebelum, left side more linear functions, right side more conceptual. For most people one side is more develeoped than the other, but there are people with equally developed sides as well as those with no developement at all. IN either case they are mutually dependant, for experience and awareness.
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What our brain allows us to see is strictly mechanical. There is no tree that we see inside our brain. There is no chair that we sit on 'in' our brain.
those would be your eyes, and awareness interpreting external reality. Not many people have room for trees in their brain. ..you're still avoiding the question...
BnaturAl: an ability to reason/select is a function of chemical responses within the cerebelum, left side more linear functions, right side more conceptual. For most people one side is more develeoped than the other, but there are people with equally developed sides as well as those with no developement at all. IN either case they are mutually dependant, for experience and awareness.
those would be your eyes, and awareness interpreting external reality. Not many people have room for trees in their brain. ..you're still avoiding the question...
What I am saying is that we (ego) made up the so-called reality.
What are our bodies but a combination of chemicals that can be purchased probably at a drug store for a few cents. (consider inflation, too, though). All other 'things' that we 'see' outside our bodies contain the same materials only rearranged differently. Our bodies will turn to dust eventually. Our spirits continue.
it may be that the spirit is localised, but because it operates on a far superior plane to that of the body, mind or brain that it can commuicate with other localised spirits which all tap into an ultimate omnipresent source...
lets assume for a minute, for our purpose that this soul is entity and I certainly beleive it is energy, a very proveable entity; but, we can even for you just say its some ghost, holy ghost if you like.
if this entity has its own information, its own abiltity to decide and choose course then you have just lost free will, yes?
Energy or holy ghost, soul, aura, spirit, whatever name you give it is not a cognizant entity. Its just energy. It responds according to the laws of physics and physical dynamics, providing life to bodies and in our case minds. Once the body dies, there is for you, no more cognizance, no more awareness, no more experience because the physical entity(body/ mind) that processes that energy is gone.
The energy will live on, because energy cant be created or destroyed but your 'percieved' presence will not. Presence depends on living cell structure,- awareness/consciouness depends on higher brain functions. Lose them and you no longer exist. local or non local.
BnaturAl: lets assume for a minute, for our purpose that this soul is entity and I certainly beleive it is energy, a very proveable entity; but, we can even for you just say its some ghost, holy ghost if you like.
if this entity has its own information, its own abiltity to decide and choose course then you have just lost free will, yes?
Energy or holy ghost, soul, aura, spirit, whatever name you give it is not a cognizant entity. Its just energy. It responds according to the laws of physics and physical dynamics, providing life to bodies and in our case minds. Once the body dies, there is for you, no more cognizance, no more awareness, no more experience because the physical entity(body/ mind) that processes that energy is gone.
The energy will live on, because energy cant be created or destroyed but your 'percieved' presence will not. Presence depends on living cell structure,- awareness/consciouness depends on higher brain functions. Lose them and you no longer exist. local or non local.
I don't know. You are providing a good discussion. thinking...
I would say that God created us 'souls' with free will. With our free will we became duelistic souls that intended to create material things (it was so long ago, I'm trying to remember We went so far as to create silly rules and strange religions, all kinds of contrasting concepts and beliefs. Here is what we are left with. The EGO did it!! (not my fault - I'm a soul.)
bodleingGreater Manchester, England UK13,810 posts
Dusty45: Because the truth of all this is...none of what we have here on earth is real. Only our Ego wants to make it real and so we believe the lie. Our ego's are convincing and have been for much too long. The state of what we see all around us is what we (ego) have created. Until I can change my concept/perceptions, I will continue to believe what I see here is true, too.
The ego, our conscious sense of who we are, is an affectively charged cluster of replicated experience. It is the central complex of consciousness whose boundaries are fluid, malleable and easily violated. We need ego to conduct the business of life, to mobilize psychic energy and direct it towards goals, to maintain a degree of self consistancy and continuity so we can move forward from day to day, context to context. But the central project of ego is security which, understandably, stands over against the massive onslaught of energies from without. From the ego's narrow view of the world, the task is security, dominance and the cessation of conflict.
bodleing: The ego, our conscious sense of who we are, is an affectively charged cluster of replicated experience. It is the central complex of consciousness whose boundaries are fluid, malleable and easily violated. We need ego to conduct the business of life, to mobilize psychic energy and direct it towards goals, to maintain a degree of self consistancy and continuity so we can move forward from day to day, context to context. But the central project of ego is security which, understandably, stands over against the massive onslaught of energies from without. From the ego's narrow view of the world, the task is security, dominance and the cessation of conflict.
Perhaps our ego has become corrupted. (from the mass consciousness and the replicated experiences).
bodleingGreater Manchester, England UK13,810 posts
Dusty45: Perhaps our ego has become corrupted. (from the mass consciousness and the replicated experiences).
Confused more like.
"the ego is like a petty tyrant who must fulminate on the rightness of its position as a compensation for the swamp of doubt upon which its castle is built"
Galactic_bodhi: Should I be getting into an ego conflict with something so patently more powerful than me? I see it as the only worthwhile ego conflict in the universe, all things being equal..
... a whole new level of egotistical... ... are you sure the universe has room for you both??
Dusty45: I don't know. You are providing a good discussion. thinking...
I would say that God created us 'souls' with free will. With our free will we became duelistic souls that intended to create material things (it was so long ago, I'm trying to remember We went so far as to create silly rules and strange religions, all kinds of contrasting concepts and beliefs. Here is what we are left with. The EGO did it!! (not my fault - I'm a soul.)
all you need to do now is rub Buddha's belly.
How can you be a soul? This is the question I have been asking you? Without a mind to process the information and without a body to experience that information, a soul/energy is useless to your being a you. It simply becomes non local energy that will be used by some other localised being, a plant or an ant or magnet, whatever requires some energy at the time.
Galactic_bodhi: Who's universe? His lie, or the reality?
I'm just thinkin since ur ego is as big as God's how would there be room for both of u perhaps thats why even if you were to believe he existed you wouldn't accept him.. .just a thought...
BnaturAl: all you need to do now is rub Buddha's belly. How can you be a soul? This is the question I have been asking you? Without a mind to process the information and without a body to experience that information, a soul/energy is useless to your being a you. It simply becomes non local energy that will be used by some other localised being, a plant or an ant or magnet, whatever requires some energy at the time.
our soul/spirit is like our 'creative' energy most people acknowledge (contingent on their belief in 'soul') that things such as music and are and poetry etc derive from soul.... would seem a bit pointless for that level of creative energy being transposed to a flea... nothing against fleas per se.... but can imagine one writing a symphony ...
bodleing: The ego, our conscious sense of who we are, is an affectively charged cluster of replicated experience. It is the central complex of consciousness whose boundaries are fluid, malleable and easily violated. We need ego to conduct the business of life, to mobilize psychic energy and direct it towards goals, to maintain a degree of self consistancy and continuity so we can move forward from day to day, context to context. But the central project of ego is security which, understandably, stands over against the massive onslaught of energies from without. From the ego's narrow view of the world, the task is security, dominance and the cessation of conflict.
I think it's all about experience and passing information through generations. We live on in memories which for all intents and purposes is a mintal reality, though even over time unless we have become so famous will eventually erode and die away in our progeny. We don't seem to learn much form that information though because we seem to keep repeating history over and over
Truth is a revelation that will fill you up and illuminate your path....... the longer we avoid the truth the longer we will remain in darkness.. and the longer we remain in darkness the longer we will continue going around in circles and bumping into things... JMV... mankind without God.... just doesn't work.....
BnaturAl: all you need to do now is rub Buddha's belly. How can you be a soul? This is the question I have been asking you? Without a mind to process the information and without a body to experience that information, a soul/energy is useless to your being a you. It simply becomes non local energy that will be used by some other localised being, a plant or an ant or magnet, whatever requires some energy at the time.
My soul is not contingent on an unreal materialist body. My soul-spirit energy is as God created it. Your question is one that can't be answered except from my subjective viewpoint and others who believe similarly to my viewpoint. The energy-information factor is supplied in an eternal sense. Why not can we be souls with unique personalities that are forever becoming enlightened?
Aries01: I'm just thinkin since ur ego is as big as God's how would there be room for both of u perhaps thats why even if you were to believe he existed you wouldn't accept him.. .just a thought...
My ego is not as big as God's. You are inferring things about me based on your own biases.
As a buddhist, I seek the destruction of ego, and, following the line of thought in my hypothesis above, that must start with Maya, or the Devil of the Sixth Heaven, who in your Christian dogma is Jahweh. The source of all delusion is that which wishes to infect our light (energy) with the darkness of a material matrix (matter). Our creator, in other words.
Believe as you will, about me, and about god. I could care less.
Aries01: our soul/spirit is like our 'creative' energy most people acknowledge (contingent on their belief in 'soul') that things such as music and are and poetry etc derive from soul.... would seem a bit pointless for that level of creative energy being transposed to a flea... nothing against fleas per se.... but can imagine one writing a symphony ...
you misunderstand the dynamics of 'transmission' Orla. Radio waves pass thru mass all the time, passing thru other molecules, in the air, etc. The difference is 'awareness/consciouness" for which higher brain functions are required. Your brain cells/molecules have the ability to become aware of the information.
An ant might well receive the info, but is unable to process it. Still the ant possesses energy as do plants, and all 'living' things, including magnets, motors that come to life because of energy. Having enegry/soul/aura isn't soley a possession of man. It is in fact quite possible for ants to someday to evolve higher brain functions, as it is for any species to develope eyes, feet, fins, whatever, though the likelyhood would favour daulphins at this point as the next cognizant species.
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an ability to reason/select is a function of chemical responses within the cerebelum, left side more linear functions, right side more conceptual. For most people one side is more develeoped than the other, but there are people with equally developed sides as well as those with no developement at all. IN either case they are mutually dependant, for experience and awareness.
What our brain allows us to see is strictly mechanical. There is no tree that we see inside our brain.
There is no chair that we sit on 'in' our brain.
those would be your eyes, and awareness interpreting external reality. Not many people have room for trees in their brain. ..you're still avoiding the question...