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Oct 6, 2008 6:20 AM CST this is actually regarding spirituality and logic
pyaremohan
pyaremohanpyaremohandelhi, Delhi India22 Threads 1,549 Posts
how relative are the terms love,open(openness) and contemplation.........
is spirituality only about feelings and experiencin ....what about the tricks the mind n conditionin plays...can one be totally free from conditionin if that person was not to begin with.......what of verification
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Oct 6, 2008 7:32 AM CST this is actually regarding spirituality and logic
Dusty45
Dusty45Dusty45Louisville, Kentucky USA57 Threads 3,238 Posts
pyaremohan: how relative are the terms love,open(openness) and contemplation.........
is spirituality only about feelings and experiencin ....what about the tricks the mind n conditionin plays...can one be totally free from conditionin if that person was not to begin with.......what of verification


I think there is a pureness about spirituality that effects all souls that exist. It is separate and apart
from our belief system. It contains the Truth of Reality and not anything that even resembles any
kind of illusion that we manufacture. The Truth of Love is pure Spirit. Openness could be subjective
or open to our interpretation. When we contemplate we are reviewing, wondering, trying to decide
about things and possibilities. The Ego utilizes all kinds of tricks on the mind to turn the Real into
fear, illusion and lies to the Real Self. We have been conditioned almost since the event of our being
given free will to play with the manifestiations of the Ego. Verification is only found within our soul or
spirit. It is truly a one soul adventure finding the path for ourselves. We may find comfort in sharing
the path or discovering with Others but it ultimately comes down to only OneSelf to discover.
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Oct 6, 2008 7:35 AM CST this is actually regarding spirituality and logic
stefonline
stefonlinestefonlineDublin, Ireland152 Threads 1 Polls 13,318 Posts
pyaremohan: how relative are the terms love,open(openness) and contemplation.........
is spirituality only about feelings and experiencin ....what about the tricks the mind n conditionin plays...can one be totally free from conditionin if that person was not to begin with.......what of verification



Try not to think so much.....Just be...comfort
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Oct 6, 2008 7:38 AM CST this is actually regarding spirituality and logic
Dusty45
Dusty45Dusty45Louisville, Kentucky USA57 Threads 3,238 Posts
stefonline: Try not to think so much.....Just be...


I would guess that some come to this kind of realization after a bit of contemplation about the
spirit.
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Oct 6, 2008 7:40 AM CST this is actually regarding spirituality and logic
stefonline
stefonlinestefonlineDublin, Ireland152 Threads 1 Polls 13,318 Posts
Dusty45: I would guess that some come to this kind of realization after a bit of contemplation about the
spirit.



Yes! indeed some do.......hug
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Oct 6, 2008 7:43 AM CST this is actually regarding spirituality and logic
Dusty45
Dusty45Dusty45Louisville, Kentucky USA57 Threads 3,238 Posts
I would think that pyaremohan is offering all of us 'seeds' for thought.
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Oct 6, 2008 7:45 AM CST this is actually regarding spirituality and logic
stefonline
stefonlinestefonlineDublin, Ireland152 Threads 1 Polls 13,318 Posts
It is for us to control the mind and not the other way around.......be strong....bouquet
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Oct 6, 2008 8:34 AM CST this is actually regarding spirituality and logic
Dusty45
Dusty45Dusty45Louisville, Kentucky USA57 Threads 3,238 Posts
Strength is in letting go.
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Oct 6, 2008 8:37 AM CST this is actually regarding spirituality and logic
constanza
constanzaconstanzaLA, California USA30 Threads 1 Polls 6,489 Posts
Dusty45: I think there is a pureness about spirituality that effects all souls that exist. It is separate and apart
from our belief system. It contains the Truth of Reality and not anything that even resembles any
kind of illusion that we manufacture. The Truth of Love is pure Spirit. Openness could be subjective
or open to our interpretation. When we contemplate we are reviewing, wondering, trying to decide
about things and possibilities. The Ego utilizes all kinds of tricks on the mind to turn the Real into
fear, illusion and lies to the Real Self. We have been conditioned almost since the event of our being
given free will to play with the manifestiations of the Ego. Verification is only found within our soul or
spirit. It is truly a one soul adventure finding the path for ourselves. We may find comfort in sharing
the path or discovering with Others but it ultimately comes down to only OneSelf to discover.




bouquet
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Oct 6, 2008 8:39 AM CST this is actually regarding spirituality and logic
RillyNiceGuy
RillyNiceGuyRillyNiceGuySoutheast, Arkansas USA1,208 Threads 1 Polls 18,965 Posts
The most important thought to be made was not made. That thought is.....does this disscusion have any importantance that it should be made at all.rolling on the floor laughing
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Oct 6, 2008 8:52 AM CST this is actually regarding spirituality and logic
Dusty45
Dusty45Dusty45Louisville, Kentucky USA57 Threads 3,238 Posts
RillyNiceGuy: The most important thought to be made was not made. That thought is.....does this disscusion have any importantance that it should be made at all.


Your answer - for you - is in your question.
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Oct 6, 2008 9:02 AM CST this is actually regarding spirituality and logic
RillyNiceGuy
RillyNiceGuyRillyNiceGuySoutheast, Arkansas USA1,208 Threads 1 Polls 18,965 Posts
Well! If such an answer was not pondered then the pondering would be undone. It would be a terrible thing for pondering lovers to indure without warning. I find if you do as you want to do then you can do a do as you do do or some crap like that.confused I confused myself again!!!blushing
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Oct 6, 2008 9:09 AM CST this is actually regarding spirituality and logic
Dusty45
Dusty45Dusty45Louisville, Kentucky USA57 Threads 3,238 Posts
RillyNiceGuy: Well! If such an answer was not pondered then the pondering would be undone. It would be a terrible thing for pondering lovers to indure without warning. I find if you do as you want to do then you can do a do as you do do or some crap like that. I confused myself again!!!


I truly think you are right about that, Rilly.hug
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Oct 6, 2008 9:10 AM CST this is actually regarding spirituality and logic
Dusty45
Dusty45Dusty45Louisville, Kentucky USA57 Threads 3,238 Posts
RillyNiceGuy: The most important thought to be made was not made. That thought is.....does this disscusion have any importantance that it should be made at all.


In the deepest sense - you are right about that, too.
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Oct 6, 2008 9:14 AM CST this is actually regarding spirituality and logic
RillyNiceGuy
RillyNiceGuyRillyNiceGuySoutheast, Arkansas USA1,208 Threads 1 Polls 18,965 Posts
Dusty45: In the deepest sense - you are right about that, too.




grin hug dancing
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Oct 28, 2008 5:33 PM CST this is actually regarding spirituality and logic
lorax111
lorax111lorax111richmond, Virginia USA30 Threads 2 Polls 1,772 Posts
pyaremohan: how relative are the terms love,open(openness) and contemplation.........
is spirituality only about feelings and experiencin ....what about the tricks the mind n conditionin plays...can one be totally free from conditionin if that person was not to begin with.......what of verification


Your question is difficult being its all over the place. Love is relative to openess and free from the need to contemplate, artist and poets gave contimplated for years and have only found inspiration.
Spirituality would likely be a part of who you are, your expiernces and feelings your desires.
The tricks the mind plays are nonscence, it's your mind, i'll say again because it is important IT IS YOUR MIND!.
You will know when there is verification.

Dennis good luck
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Oct 28, 2008 6:10 PM CST this is actually regarding spirituality and logic
Aries01
Aries01Aries01Kent, England UK55 Threads 4 Polls 3,732 Posts
Dusty45: I think there is a pureness about spirituality that effects all souls that exist. It is separate and apart
from our belief system. It contains the Truth of Reality and not anything that even resembles any
kind of illusion that we manufacture. The Truth of Love is pure Spirit. Openness could be subjective
or open to our interpretation. When we contemplate we are reviewing, wondering, trying to decide
about things and possibilities. The Ego utilizes all kinds of tricks on the mind to turn the Real into
fear, illusion and lies to the Real Self. We have been conditioned almost since the event of our being
given free will to play with the manifestiations of the Ego. Verification is only found within our soul or
spirit. It is truly a one soul adventure finding the path for ourselves. We may find comfort in sharing
the path or discovering with Others but it ultimately comes down to only OneSelf to discover.
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Oct 28, 2008 6:26 PM CST this is actually regarding spirituality and logic
druidess6308
druidess6308druidess6308Aliquippa, Pennsylvania USA99 Threads 20,283 Posts
I'll work with this out of order from the question(s).

I think we are all raised with conditioning. Nonexistent is the person whose parents didn't have some beliefs that they raised their children by...and even those raised in an orphanage have some set of beliefs they grow up exposed to by their surrounding society. It's being open to learning and exploring other ideas that can break that conditioning. Spirituality is something different to each one of us, and it is up to us to find what feels right to our minds and hearts, and it comes mainly through our feelings and experiences, which give us our verification.

Love is part of our emotional make-up...and has many different levels. However, when we find the love of a couple, I think sharing Spiritual beliefs should be part of that, or it is hard to find common ground in daily life. If your Spiritual beliefs are as deep as many Eastern philosophies are, then yes, openness and contemplation are something you need to be able to share with a partner.



hug
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Oct 28, 2008 11:19 PM CST this is actually regarding spirituality and logic
thewall2
thewall2thewall2montreal, Quebec Canada68 Threads 13,392 Posts
I like one guys definition of being spiritual....


''If you're WANTED,NEEDED,AND LOVED,YOU'RE SPIRITUAL....AND IF YOU'RE NOT WANTED,NEEDED,AND LOVED,,,,than you're NOT''


There was a time in my life when I WASN'T WANTED,NEEDED,or LOVED.

I WAS one MASS of hate,and if you had a pair of shoes on your feet, I WOULD spit at you because I HATED you.

But that all changed almost 13 years ago........thanks to the grace of GOD.
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Oct 28, 2008 11:22 PM CST this is actually regarding spirituality and logic
spiceygamble
spiceygamblespiceygambleNola, Louisiana USA40 Threads 3 Polls 5,583 Posts
The Mu koan:
A monk asked Zen master, Joshu
"Has a dog Buddha-nature or not?"

Master answered
"Mu".


dancing dog
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