Peace lines..... (20)
I will do this tomorrow, it is too late Phoenix...
Have some more wine...
You have started this in the Inter Rants?
That will be interesting, beats the election...
Have some more wine...
You have started this in the Inter Rants?
That will be interesting, beats the election...
phoenix: Belfast’s partitions have outlived the Berlin Wall. While the Berlin Wall came down after 28 years, Belfast’s continue to stand, and there is little likelihood, at present, of them being demolished. I've opened the same thread on the IF...sometimes I use a 'local' forum and I would like your views SVP...
In Berlin, the locals were against the wall, on both sides.
What is the peoples view in Belfast about these walls ?
do you think if they came down the probs would start again phoenix?
no1brightongirl: do you think if they came down the probs would start again phoenix?
The under lying problems are still there....The stupid thing is anyone from the North of Ireland who moved away from there get on very easily...but once they go back home and are faced with the barrel of a gun it's a different question...
I believe if they (the folks on the hill) guys in stormont pulled the walls down it would take 10/15yrs before there is trust....The longer they stay up the divisions will remain...
There are plans to have all peace walls dismantled by 2050...but I doubt it will happen...
phoenix: I can stand in the center of belfast today at tell the religion of people simply by watch what buses they get on/off...All/most school kids wear uniforms which also denotes their religion..
I had no clue whatsoever about all of this!
A silenced issue in Europe for sure, it is only called the Norther Ireland problem but never actually together with a clear picture of how the life is lived there.
There are very few dividing walls left in the world, Israel got their up recently but most of them has been taken down or are part of a countries defence line.
What you describe is prison like, like camps for people based on religion. I thought this was against the Geneva convention, particulary when you are not let to pass in between freely.
i have a friend in glasgow,who tells me there are similar probs there,protestants and catholics,but no peace wall and that these probs will always exist as people cannot forget the past and look forward to the future
tinaferrara: i have a friend in glasgow,who tells me there are similar probs there,protestants and catholics,but no peace wall and that these probs will always exist as people cannot forget the past and look forward to the future
That would be the oldest reason, and in Belfast they have them close in history. What gets me is that in Dublin the Protestants and the Catholics are doing just fine.
Or am I deceived?
hi ,i have friends in dublin but believe there are so few protestants there that they are greatly outnumbered,so couldnt be an issue
lisalee1960: hi ,i have friends in dublin but believe there are so few protestants there that they are greatly outnumbered,so couldnt be an issue
Hmmmm....
Are the protestants in Belfast originally from England or there about?
I just realise how very little I know about the reasons for all that fighting in the area.
Ireland isn't the only country in Spain with deep-rooted problems....... the past is raising its ugly head in Spain - not only do the Spanish not wish to go to the expense of identifying and giving a proper burial to over 300,000 people in mass graves from the Spanish Civil war - they do not want to open old wounds where sometimes brother fought against brother etc.
Northern Ireland is mathematically an impossible situation - taking the island as a whole the majority are Catholics; taking Northern Ireland (with its gettmandered borders) the majority are Protestants.
One good thing about the EU is that NI can be treated as a REGION of the EU which takes some of the friction away between the governments of both the Republic of Ireland and the government of the UK of GB & NI.
We are all human beings. Go back far enough and we are all 'brothers and sisters'; it's a shame that human beings build walls to protect themselves and their families from one another.
My first wife was Irish - from the minority in the South (i.e. her family was Church of Ireland = Protestant). She hated religious friction so much that I believe that was what has made her a confirmed agnostic 99% of her life.
Northern Ireland is mathematically an impossible situation - taking the island as a whole the majority are Catholics; taking Northern Ireland (with its gettmandered borders) the majority are Protestants.
One good thing about the EU is that NI can be treated as a REGION of the EU which takes some of the friction away between the governments of both the Republic of Ireland and the government of the UK of GB & NI.
We are all human beings. Go back far enough and we are all 'brothers and sisters'; it's a shame that human beings build walls to protect themselves and their families from one another.
My first wife was Irish - from the minority in the South (i.e. her family was Church of Ireland = Protestant). She hated religious friction so much that I believe that was what has made her a confirmed agnostic 99% of her life.
read 'gerrymandered' not 'gettmandered' please 
rusty_knight: Ireland isn't the only country in Spain with deep-rooted problems.......
Sorry, but I found that fun
rusty_knight: She hated religious friction so much that I believe that was what has made her a confirmed agnostic 99% of her life.
The issues has long gone past a religious question of course. There are other interests in control.
But as long as we identify us with one group we are effectively staying out of another. Tribes fought back then, and they seem to still fight.
Dream of a better world sooth the tiredness but reading the news brings it back.
To head back to Belfast, it is surely a modern city with all its ingredients, is it not? What would be a way out of this dead lock with walls and dammed up feelings?
mike69spain: Sorry, but I found that fun
The issues has long gone past a religious question of course. There are other interests in control.
?
The issues has long gone past a religious question of course. There are other interests in control.
?
mods can I aswer that question...?
phoenix: mods can I aswer that question...?
If not, mail me.
does anyone mind if i use quotes from this thread on another forum...
I will not use your names....only your thoughts...
I will not use your names....only your thoughts...
phoenix: does anyone mind if i use quotes from this thread on another forum...
I will not use your names ....only your thoughts...
I will not use your names ....only your thoughts...
I do not mind, and you are welcome to me quote by name.
mike69spain: I do not mind, and you are welcome to me quote by name.
But correct my English
mike69spain: I had no clue whatsoever about all of this!
A silenced issue in Europe for sure, it is only called the Norther Ireland problem but never actually together with a clear picture of how the life is lived there.
There are very few dividing walls left in the world, Israel got their up recently but most of them has been taken down or are part of a countries defence line.
What you describe is prison like, like camps for people based on religion. I thought this was against the Geneva convention, particulary when you are not let to pass in between freely.
A silenced issue in Europe for sure, it is only called the Norther Ireland problem but never actually together with a clear picture of how the life is lived there.
There are very few dividing walls left in the world, Israel got their up recently but most of them has been taken down or are part of a countries defence line.
What you describe is prison like, like camps for people based on religion. I thought this was against the Geneva convention, particulary when you are not let to pass in between freely.
I mailed you some of the answers...
phoenix: I mailed you some of the answers...
I will work from there, a good collection and good sources.
All the issue of UKs activities in the Northern Ireland has always felt disturbing to me, but I never had any facts or stories to base it on.
Sure, some movies, but then again, movies romantisize and that is not what I like to use for a base for thoughts.
Again, thanks.
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The barriers themselves consist of iron, brick, and steel walls up to 25 feet (7.6 m) high, topped with metal netting. Some have gates in them occasionally manned by police, which allow passage by day, and which are closed at night
The first barriers were constructed in the early 1970s, following the outbreak of "The Troubles". Originally few in number, they have multiplied over the years, from 18 in the early 1990s to 40 today; in total they stretch over 13 miles (21 km). Most are located in Belfast.
Belfast’s partitions have outlived the Berlin Wall. While the Berlin Wall came down after 28 years, Belfast’s continue to stand, and there is little likelihood, at present, of them being demolished.
I've opened the same thread on the IF...sometimes I use a 'local' forum and I would like your views SVP...