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Oct 10, 2008 6:54 AM CST on line petition for conrad...it worked for lago..who knows..
mike69spain
mike69spainmike69spainAlmuñécar, Andalusia Spain34 Threads 6 Polls 4,110 Posts
phoenix: The question will be serious..I've followed most if not all the stories aboyt why the two towers collasped..and it is the first time in history that any building ever collasped because they where hit by planes....

Looking closely at the footage there was controlled explosions...but a few weeks ago there was a story from the white house that said the magnetic fields changed and weakened because of the heat...and the heat caused by the explosions never reached the temp. to cause the damage or weaken the steel.....even if they did..what about wtc7...


How many other high rise steel buildings have been hit with an airliner? The situation is macabre and rare.

One thing not to forget is the possibility of a construction flaw, since both towers went. Even if the steel itself would not melt, how much did the nuts on the bolts expand when heated? That could make them blow, and take out three and the stability is gone.

But in theory, if they really wanted to make a statement when they flew into the towers, it makes sense if they first prepped the building to really make it come down, since that was the message, bring the western (not just US) financial hub down. They have always been handy with explosives.

I don’t know if they can measure the temperature created in there by certainty, there are a lot of wind at those heights and fuel and fire with streaming oxygen is bound to create a melting point. That is how we learnt to melt iron in the first place.

The magnetic field thing sound weird, but I know too little about it to comment. Sure they can get my compass go crazy and I sail a few degrees in the wrong directions, but stronger than that - WTC a la Stonehenge?
Oct 10, 2008 6:57 AM CST on line petition for conrad...it worked for lago..who knows..
phoenix
phoenixphoenixparis, Ile-de-France France81 Threads 4 Polls 3,669 Posts
mike69spain: How many other high rise steel buildings have been hit with an airliner? The situation is macabre and rare.

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Give me 30mins and I'll whack up a link or two...

start with the Empire state building...
Oct 10, 2008 7:05 AM CST on line petition for conrad...it worked for lago..who knows..
mike69spain
mike69spainmike69spainAlmuñécar, Andalusia Spain34 Threads 6 Polls 4,110 Posts
phoenix: Give me 30mins and I'll whack up a link or two...

start with the Empire state building...


OK, what I am asking is for a 140 ton airliner.

The B-25 that hit the ESB was 10 ton.

You see my thinking? conversing
Oct 10, 2008 7:22 AM CST on line petition for conrad...it worked for lago..who knows..
phoenix
phoenixphoenixparis, Ile-de-France France81 Threads 4 Polls 3,669 Posts
mike69spain: OK, what I am asking is for a 140 ton airliner.

The B-25 that hit the ESB was 10 ton.

You see my thinking?


Oct 10, 2008 7:48 AM CST on line petition for conrad...it worked for lago..who knows..
mike69spain
mike69spainmike69spainAlmuñécar, Andalusia Spain34 Threads 6 Polls 4,110 Posts
phoenix: http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=1Yx9NRX37SM


Thanks, watching it at the moment. 1 1/2 horus... well, see you later laugh
Oct 10, 2008 9:01 AM CST on line petition for conrad...it worked for lago..who knows..
mike69spain
mike69spainmike69spainAlmuñécar, Andalusia Spain34 Threads 6 Polls 4,110 Posts
phoenix: http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=1Yx9NRX37SM


Done.

Very well made, they did point out some unanswered questions.

What I find hard to take in is that the makers of the movie is simply putting the blame on Bush and company. Not that I think they stand above greed and want of power, the opposite, but all in all, it looks like a very well directed robbery for 800 million USD worth of gold plus some stock market speculation.

Now, that kind of money can make many able people go crooked. The political agenda in the 9/11 is not clear enough to me, but the money issue is very clear indeed.

So who did it, and how?

As I said before, I think the theory of detonations in the buildings are working. More so since everyone in the official investigation seem to look away from it.

One thing is already solid in my view, the events was used by the Bush administration to reenter the middle east with armed forces. If that was a chance they took, or an oppurtunity they created for themselves I can not say.

Whatever their reasons and hopes, they are still far away from any result. Maybe that is where they want to be?
Oct 10, 2008 9:09 AM CST on line petition for conrad...it worked for lago..who knows..
mike69spain
mike69spainmike69spainAlmuñécar, Andalusia Spain34 Threads 6 Polls 4,110 Posts
phoenix: The question will be serious..I've followed most if not all the stories aboyt why the two towers collasped..and it is the first time in history that any building ever collasped because they where hit by planes....


Right, the question is very serious and about a stupid sounding statement.

I cant believe the stories that comes from that block doh
Oct 10, 2008 9:17 AM CST on line petition for conrad...it worked for lago..who knows..
phoenix
phoenixphoenixparis, Ile-de-France France81 Threads 4 Polls 3,669 Posts
mike69spain: Done.

Very well made, they did point out some unanswered questions.

What I find hard to take in is that the makers of the movie is simply putting the blame on Bush and company. Not that I think they stand above greed and want of power, the opposite, but all in all, it looks like a very well directed robbery for 800 million USD worth of gold plus some stock market speculation.

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how much was last weeks bail out...?
Oct 10, 2008 9:19 AM CST on line petition for conrad...it worked for lago..who knows..
mike69spain
mike69spainmike69spainAlmuñécar, Andalusia Spain34 Threads 6 Polls 4,110 Posts
phoenix: how much was last weeks bail out...?


Scary numbers uh oh professor
Oct 10, 2008 9:21 AM CST on line petition for conrad...it worked for lago..who knows..
mike69spain
mike69spainmike69spainAlmuñécar, Andalusia Spain34 Threads 6 Polls 4,110 Posts
phoenix: how much was last weeks bail out...?


Btw, I have not read the "fine print" of that bail out yet, but I wonder how the "people" actually owns their share of AIG. I guess it wont give them much good en the real world, spas or no spas.

Who were the creditors and who owns them? We could add some to that story finding those, I am sure.
Oct 10, 2008 9:21 AM CST on line petition for conrad...it worked for lago..who knows..
phoenix
phoenixphoenixparis, Ile-de-France France81 Threads 4 Polls 3,669 Posts
mike69spain: Scary numbers


there is a direct line between 9/11 and the stock market collaspe today...straight as the crow flies....
Oct 10, 2008 9:27 AM CST on line petition for conrad...it worked for lago..who knows..
mike69spain
mike69spainmike69spainAlmuñécar, Andalusia Spain34 Threads 6 Polls 4,110 Posts
phoenix: there is a direct line between 9/11 and the stock market collaspe today...straight as the crow flies....


But, too, there is bound to be. it is no more than 7 years that past, most of the portfolios (controlling shares) that changed hands then should be close to their sources still today.

The ownership of a public company in US are surely readily available information.

Just need an excel chart and a few days tracing to see what happended then and what gives today. AND... who owns the holding companies buying and selling, who owns the creditors behind companies rescued and what makes them different to those not rescued (i.e who owns the the companies who went bust).

There is surely a story to be read in there, the finanance world is not very big, even if one sometimes want to believe it is.
Oct 10, 2008 9:38 AM CST on line petition for conrad...it worked for lago..who knows..
phoenix
phoenixphoenixparis, Ile-de-France France81 Threads 4 Polls 3,669 Posts
mike69spain: But, too, there is bound to be. it is no more than 7 years that past, most of the portfolios (controlling shares) that changed hands then should be close to their sources still today.


(i.e who owns the the companies who went bust).

There is surely a story to be read in there, the finanance world is not very big, even if one sometimes want to believe it is.


the same people..they take the money from the insurance companies, put up a front man....

the finance world is very small...
Oct 10, 2008 10:08 AM CST on line petition for conrad...it worked for lago..who knows..
mike69spain
mike69spainmike69spainAlmuñécar, Andalusia Spain34 Threads 6 Polls 4,110 Posts
phoenix: the same people..they take the money from the insurance companies, put up a front man....

the finance world is very small...


I would belive so too. And with the compensation they can set up a new venture and go on with business as usual. I have really no comments on that part, it is the way the capitalist world works. But...

If this was the trigger for the 9/11 then it is scary as nothing else, but not at all impossible.

In the light of all the not so interesting discussions about the election in the US, no one seems to give a thought to how much is at stake in terms of dollars. The budget for running for the offices is mindboggling, and that money needs to come from somewhere, aka someone. This someone is someone you are bound to feel in debt to.

There are stories untold. Actually, the "Twillight Zone" theme would really be perfect here, but on a serious note

redclown
Oct 10, 2008 10:29 AM CST on line petition for conrad...it worked for lago..who knows..
phoenix
phoenixphoenixparis, Ile-de-France France81 Threads 4 Polls 3,669 Posts
mike69spain:
Just need an excel chart and a few days tracing to see what happended then and what gives today. AND... who owns the holding companies buying and selling, who owns the creditors behind companies rescued and what makes them different to those not rescued (i.e who owns the the companies who went bust).

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I'll put it up tonight a least the names....gongman and radders should agree..no they aren't part of any board that i've come across...Although there i an over-lap between certain eu familes and americian companies....
Oct 10, 2008 11:35 AM CST on line petition for conrad...it worked for lago..who knows..
phoenix
phoenixphoenixparis, Ile-de-France France81 Threads 4 Polls 3,669 Posts
phoenix: I'll put it up tonight a least the names....gongman and radders should agree..no they aren't part of any board that i've come across...Although there i an over-lap between certain eu familes and americian companies....



Oct 10, 2008 11:51 AM CST on line petition for conrad...it worked for lago..who knows..
smoky
smokysmokyUnterland, Zurich Switzerland266 Threads 6 Polls 9,412 Posts
Sommerauer71: I reckon Smoky has him...

They are cleaning money, he is pegging it up to dry as we speak...


Nah, we finished laundering all the money a couple weeks ago, just before all the financial chaos happened - wanted to get it all ready for its new owners - all clean, ironed, and packed into nice tidy bundles........for transporting.

I think Radders must be somewhere near Eglisau by now ..... last I heard he doubted the reliability of my information that the Marones falling off the trees there were of the edible variety. He seemed convinced that edible chestnuts do not grow in Switzerland. So, if anyone sees an old guy with a beard, and a bag over his shoulder traipsing around near that area - well thats him - looking for marones to toast on his fire.cheers
Oct 10, 2008 11:59 AM CST on line petition for conrad...it worked for lago..who knows..
phoenix
phoenixphoenixparis, Ile-de-France France81 Threads 4 Polls 3,669 Posts
smoky:
. So, if anyone sees an old guy with a beard, and a bag over his shoulder traipsing around near that area - well thats him - .


wot radders and santa are one of the same...banana banana banana
Oct 10, 2008 12:01 PM CST on line petition for conrad...it worked for lago..who knows..
smoky
smokysmokyUnterland, Zurich Switzerland266 Threads 6 Polls 9,412 Posts
phoenix: wot radders and santa are one of the same...


No, not Santa ..... more like Schmütli, Santas silent partner .........!
Oct 10, 2008 12:03 PM CST on line petition for conrad...it worked for lago..who knows..
phoenix
phoenixphoenixparis, Ile-de-France France81 Threads 4 Polls 3,669 Posts
smoky: No, not Santa ..... more like Schmütli, Santas silent partner .........!



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