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Oct 16, 2008 8:31 PM CST Obama for President......... VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!
Skybow
SkybowSkybowapple valley, California USA4 Threads 1,146 Posts
ttom500: After the 4th, Sky....what we are going to get is 90 days of unite behind me....from the winner.....then after the Jan 20th oath......
he will get about 100 days of little political opposition.....though this has changed in recent years.......after that we will be back to where
we are today.....divisive.


Don't you see what I'm talking about Tom, we are just as bad as our politicians want us to be, divided and weak.
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Oct 16, 2008 8:35 PM CST Obama for President......... VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA152 Threads 8 Polls 18,150 Posts
Skybow: I don't mean speak out or be watchful, remember I believe in civil disobedience. I just hope you don't check out, that you don't let it divide you from pushing for reform where it is needed.

And I hope you stay involved in any way you can, not for our government but for the rest of us .



Oh, I always play by the rules...but damn, can I use those rules to the maximum thumbs up
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Oct 16, 2008 8:43 PM CST Obama for President......... VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Skybow: Don't you see what I'm talking about Tom, we are just as bad as our politicians want us to be, divided and weak.


Sky do you want us to rally around the flag and sing hail to the chief after Obama wins? Have big happy faces on? He should have thought of that when he placed the no vote on the Iraq war.

A lot of people have been hurt by the DEM flip on Iraq. That is what showed our country to be weak, divided, and divisive. They did it in the eye of world...not in the privacy of the voting booth.

Now you want us to sing here comes the Chief to the leader of them?
Sorry Sky, you don't print enough money in Washington for that with me.
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Oct 16, 2008 8:46 PM CST Obama for President......... VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!
Skybow
SkybowSkybowapple valley, California USA4 Threads 1,146 Posts
ttom500: Sky do you want us to rally around the flag and sing hail to the chief after Obama wins? Have big happy faces on? He should have thought of that when he placed the no vote on the Iraq war.

A lot of people have been hurt by the DEM flip on Iraq. That is what showed our country to be weak, divided, and divisive. They did it in the eye of world...not in the privacy of the voting booth.

Now you want us to sing here comes the Chief to the leader of them?
Sorry Sky, you don't print enough money in Washington for that with me.


Tom please read the above post, it's not what I'm saying here at all. Believe me one of them Obama and/or McCain will go right back to their day job as senator and work with each other.
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Oct 16, 2008 8:48 PM CST Obama for President......... VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!
Skybow
SkybowSkybowapple valley, California USA4 Threads 1,146 Posts
Skybow: Tom please read the above post, it's not what I'm saying here at all. Believe me one of them Obama and/or McCain will go right back to their day job as senator and work with each other.


I would like to see us working together better as say watchdogs not sleeping dogs.
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Oct 16, 2008 8:49 PM CST Obama for President......... VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
Indyfella: The Alfred Smith Dinner is a hoot............. McCain's a comedian. Even the Messiah is having to laugh...


You are right they both were great to night.... McCain and Obama as well!

McCain is a Great Comedian for sure grin
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Oct 16, 2008 8:56 PM CST Obama for President......... VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
Skybow: I would like to see us working together better as say watchdogs not sleeping dogs.



I agree...any government needs that...that's the only way they stay honest...and it has to and should come from the people themselves...they need to heard and have their issues validated and dealt with...the days of just handing the reigns over to any government party are long gone I think...and that is quite simply because you can't trust any of them...at the end of the day...they're all politicians.....BUT if you look back on any government where the people have just willingly handed over the reigns until the next election....without watchdogs to keep them honest...I bet you will find that those are the ones who created the most havoc and disaster while in power...and it's simply because they can...they are not made to be held accountable for their actions by the people who put them in there....and they are not reminded who it is they work for and on behalf of....and it's not themselves.....wine
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Oct 16, 2008 8:58 PM CST Obama for President......... VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!
Skybow
SkybowSkybowapple valley, California USA4 Threads 1,146 Posts
ttom500: That is nice theory and the way it should work, Sky.

But try vetting Obama......and see if you get straight facts. What you get is smoke...boilerplate.... conflicting info.....half truths......they will not let you have any strings to pull, Sky. It will all be white washed.


That may be true Tom but one or the other of them will be our president. I'm not going to give you my laundry list because you already know it.

In my mind my loyalty is not to the Dem party nor do I buy all the BS from it, it is to Americans and America. I am not a party kind of a gal, I'm for the people, remember Power To the People? That would be me.
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Oct 16, 2008 9:01 PM CST Obama for President......... VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA152 Threads 8 Polls 18,150 Posts
Well, it will be fun bashing a new president into the ground for 4 years. grin applause We need someone else to grind up and de-humanize. thumbs up
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Oct 16, 2008 9:04 PM CST Obama for President......... VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!
Skybow
SkybowSkybowapple valley, California USA4 Threads 1,146 Posts
Indyfella: Well, it will be fun bashing a new president into the ground for 4 years. We need someone else to grind up and de-humanize.


Go Indy Go!!!! I don't think it is you or I who will decide this race, it will be the independents and undecided voters.
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Oct 16, 2008 9:13 PM CST Obama for President......... VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA152 Threads 8 Polls 18,150 Posts
night cap wine


Twice in the last week, Barack Obama has said his relationship with ACORN -- the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now -- began and ended with legal work he did for the group in 1995.

The Democratic presidential candidate made his remarks in an effort to distance himself from the low-income advocacy group, which is under investigation for voter fraud in several states.

Project Vote was one of Obama's earliest political successes. As director of Illinois Project Vote, Obama helped register 150,000 new voters in Chicago, and he was heralded for his efforts in local media.

ACORN was also registering voters at that time, and its relationship with Project Vote casts some doubt on Obama's statement that his involvement with ACORN didn't begin until three years later.

Obama's campaign Web site -- in a section called "Fight the Smears" that is devoted to shooting down harmful rumors about his candidacy -- states as "fact" that "ACORN was not part of Project Vote, the successful voter registration drive Barack ran in 1992."

The site also states, "Barack Obama never organized with ACORN."

But accounts from the 1992 voter drive suggest the two groups were at least working alongside each other, if not together.

A blogger for Obama's campaign Web site in February wrote: "When Obama met with ACORN leaders in November, he reminded them of his history with ACORN and his beginnings in Illinois as a Project Vote organizer ... Senator Obama said, 'I come out of a grassroots organizing background. ... Even before I was an elected official, when I ran (the) Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it.'"

Also, Chicago ACORN organizer Toni Foulkes wrote in the 2003 edition of the journal Social Policy that the two groups were working to register voters when Obama led the effort in Illinois.

She wrote that Obama and Project Vote made it possible for Carol Moseley Braun to win her Senate seat in 1992, and that "Project Vote delivered 50,000 newly registered voters in that campaign (ACORN delivered about 5,000 of them)."

But ACORN spokesman Lewis Goldberg told FOXNews.com "there was no work done between Project Vote and ACORN" during the 1992 Chicago drive.

"There was no financial intermingling," he added.

Goldberg said the groups, rather, conducted "parallel" efforts to register voters.

Asked about the 1992 project, the Obama campaign referred FOXNews.com to a July letter to the editor in The Wall Street Journal from Sanford Newman, who was director of Project Vote in 1992.

Newman wrote that Obama worked for his organization, not ACORN, and that "it wasn't until after Mr. Obama's tenure had ended that it began to conduct projects more frequently with ACORN than with other community-based organizations."

He wrote that Project Vote "remains a separate organization today."

Goldberg also told FOXNews.com the two organizations are still separate, even though they now work together on voter registration.

On that issue, the two organizations seem to have maintained a close and open relationship in recent years.

Project Vote announced last week that together with ACORN they registered over 1.3 million people to vote. Project Vote is listed on the ACORN Web site as one of many "allied organizations." The two organizations also share an office address in Arkansas and Washington, D.C. According to ACORN, the office-sharing is a cost-saving move done for "convenience."

But as to Obama's statement that his ties to ACORN are contained to his legal work, it has already been widely reported that his campaign paid more than $800,000 to a group called Citizens Services Inc., an ACORN subsidiary, to "augment" Obama's grassroots organizing efforts in the Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania primaries.

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Fox News
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Oct 16, 2008 9:16 PM CST Obama for President......... VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!
agman
agmanagmanEagle, Idaho USA3,145 Posts
Joe the plummer turned out to be a tax evader want to be plummer. Poor as dirt and definitely not a candidate to benefit from
McCains tax ideas. Maybe next time they can talk about Martin
the painter. grin drinking
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Oct 16, 2008 9:23 PM CST Obama for President......... VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA152 Threads 8 Polls 18,150 Posts
agman: Joe the plummer turned out to be a tax evader want to be plummer. Poor as dirt and definitely not a candidate to benefit from
McCains tax ideas. Maybe next time they can talk about Martin
the painter.



I've contacted Joe. His best bet is to get in touch with Charlie Wrangel. OOPSdoh He's under investigation for tax fraud. Maybe Barney Frank could be of assistance. He knows how to work Fannie Mae deals. rolling on the floor laughing
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Oct 16, 2008 9:24 PM CST Obama for President......... VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Indyfella: night cap Twice in the last week, Barack Obama has said his relationship with ACORN -- the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now -- began and ended with legal work he did for the group in 1995.

The Democratic presidential candidate made his remarks in an effort to distance himself from the low-income advocacy group, which is under investigation for voter fraud in several states.

Project Vote was one of Obama's earliest political successes. As director of Illinois Project Vote, Obama helped register 150,000 new voters in Chicago, and he was heralded for his efforts in local media.

ACORN was also registering voters at that time, and its relationship with Project Vote casts some doubt on Obama's statement that his involvement with ACORN didn't begin until three years later.

Obama's campaign Web site -- in a section called "Fight the Smears" that is devoted to shooting down harmful rumors about his candidacy -- states as "fact" that "ACORN was not part of Project Vote, the successful voter registration drive Barack ran in 1992."

The site also states, "Barack Obama never organized with ACORN."

But accounts from the 1992 voter drive suggest the two groups were at least working alongside each other, if not together.

A blogger for Obama's campaign Web site in February wrote: "When Obama met with ACORN leaders in November, he reminded them of his history with ACORN and his beginnings in Illinois as a Project Vote organizer ... Senator Obama said, 'I come out of a grassroots organizing background. ... Even before I was an elected official, when I ran (the) Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it.'"

Also, Chicago ACORN organizer Toni Foulkes wrote in the 2003 edition of the journal Social Policy that the two groups were working to register voters when Obama led the effort in Illinois.

She wrote that Obama and Project Vote made it possible for Carol Moseley Braun to win her Senate seat in 1992, and that "Project Vote delivered 50,000 newly registered voters in that campaign (ACORN delivered about 5,000 of them)."

But ACORN spokesman Lewis Goldberg told FOXNews.com "there was no work done between Project Vote and ACORN" during the 1992 Chicago drive.

"There was no financial intermingling," he added.

Goldberg said the groups, rather, conducted "parallel" efforts to register voters.



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Fox News



LOL....I guess the 1990 black and white pic I saw of him standing at a chalk board......titled "Barak Obama teaches a Class of ACORN Recruits"
was just some REP disinformation made in the 1990....because they know one day he would be running for President.......it never fails to amaze me.
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Oct 16, 2008 9:27 PM CST Obama for President......... VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
agman: Joe the plummer turned out to be a tax evader want to be plummer. Poor as dirt and definitely not a candidate to benefit from
McCains tax ideas. Maybe next time they can talk about Martin
the painter.


Maybe Joe the plummer lost his portfolio when the financial crisis hit.
Was a wall street type.....and settled to be a plummer.......just was a REP plant to embaress Obama. LOL
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Oct 16, 2008 9:27 PM CST Obama for President......... VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
Well in the ABC article I posted it also acknowledges that Obama worked with....Acorn and that he paid an affiliated group....$800,000.00 for "get-out-the-vote-" efforts that did not include voter registration...during the primaries...so working with and working FOR are two different things...so I don't see where he lied...if that's what you're getting at...or how it makes his ties seem any worse....I think your article actually shows it distances him more from Acorn.....



Obama reportedly worked with Acorn when he ran a Chicago-area voter registration drive shortly after graduating from law school, and conducted leadership training with the group. During the primaries, Obama's campaign paid an Acorn-affiliated group $800,000 for get-out-the-vote efforts, which reportedly did not include voter registration. The group's political arm has endorsed Obama's candidacy.



wine
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Oct 16, 2008 9:28 PM CST Obama for President......... VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA152 Threads 8 Polls 18,150 Posts
Hugz_n_Kissez: Well in the ABC article I posted it also acknowledges that Obama worked with....Acorn and that he paid an affiliated group....$800,000.00 for "get-out-the-vote-" efforts that did not include voter registration...during the primaries...so working with and working FOR are two different things...so I don't see where he lied...if that's what you're getting at...or how it makes his ties seem any worse....I think your article actually shows it distances him more from Acorn.....
Obama reportedly worked with Acorn when he ran a Chicago-area voter registration drive shortly after graduating from law school, and conducted leadership training with the group. During the primaries, Obama's campaign paid an Acorn-affiliated group $800,000 for get-out-the-vote efforts, which reportedly did not include voter registration. The group's political arm has endorsed Obama's candidacy.



Cab fares to haul voters? rolling on the floor laughing
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Oct 16, 2008 9:29 PM CST Obama for President......... VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!
agman
agmanagmanEagle, Idaho USA3,145 Posts
Indyfella: I've contacted Joe. His best bet is to get in touch with Charlie Wrangel. OOPS He's under investigation for tax fraud. Maybe Barney Frank could be of assistance. He knows how to work Fannie Mae deals.


Way to go McCain, you pick an idiot for your example of tax relief.
What more can the Republican party do to lose this election? rolling on the floor laughing
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Oct 16, 2008 9:31 PM CST Obama for President......... VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA152 Threads 8 Polls 18,150 Posts
agman: Way to go McCain, you pick an idiot for your example of tax relief.
What more can the Republican party do to lose this election?


Ask for your endorsement.
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Oct 16, 2008 9:31 PM CST Obama for President......... VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA152 Threads 8 Polls 18,150 Posts
agman: Way to go McCain, you pick an idiot for your example of tax relief.
What more can the Republican party do to lose this election?


Ask for your endorsement.
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