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Oct 24, 2008 2:27 AM CST Obama's Plan to Socialize America
Ocee35
Ocee35Ocee35Jackson, Michigan USA69 Threads 2 Polls 3,852 Posts
I don't want to share, and they'll never make me!

We must be ever vigilant against these subversive threats,


especially on international dating site forums.
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Oct 24, 2008 3:41 AM CST Obama's Plan to Socialize America
zeelanderer
zeelandererzeelandererLouisville, Kentucky USA24 Threads 531 Posts
Truly, I would vote for OBama if he would fully spread the wealth. I would love to sit on my FAT BUTT and have the same health insurance and collect the same paycheck as Congress for doing not a damn thing.

zee
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Oct 24, 2008 3:50 AM CST Obama's Plan to Socialize America
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
ttom500:

Barak Obama response to spread the wealth around. Surely a socialist position and policy if ever there was one.



I think your fear of socialism is simply a backlash from Macarthyism and the domination of the mainstream media by the right.

If you would prefer your economy to remain in the hands of a kleptocracy then, ho hum - who am I too comment, just a person who sees more promise for the common people when somebody finally gets the balls to wrest control of the economy from the greedy bastar*s who hold the reins at the moment...............
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Oct 24, 2008 4:01 AM CST Obama's Plan to Socialize America
zeelanderer
zeelandererzeelandererLouisville, Kentucky USA24 Threads 531 Posts
In this Republic, Every American has the ability to make and lose their own fortunes without any help by the government. I have have been on the tax'em til it hurts side of the income scale, in turn I have also lived on the street relying on handouts and generosity of friends (not government). Over the past couple years, I have been making my way back to the way overtaxed crowd again.... all on my own, with NO help from the Goverment. If anyone says that it can't be done is just a lazy bag of crap, IMHO.

zee
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Oct 24, 2008 4:06 AM CST Obama's Plan to Socialize America
trish123: I think your fear of socialism is simply a backlash from Macarthyism and the domination of the mainstream media by the right.

If you would prefer your economy to remain in the hands of a kleptocracy then, ho hum - who am I too comment, just a person who sees more promise for the common people when somebody finally gets the balls to wrest control of the economy from the greedy bastar*s who hold the reins at the moment...............
Just another Gang trying to get hold of the Law-Club,Loot,beat the BeJesus out the Present Gang.
Eventually present Gang gets Big enough,gets hold of the Club,beats the Crap out of the Gang in power,Loots........etc.
Ad Infinitum!


SAME HORSE--DIFFERENT RIDER


Neither Side cares to look at the Remedy,'cause that near Absolute Power tastes TOO Sweetbarf very mad very mad
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Oct 24, 2008 4:37 AM CST Obama's Plan to Socialize America
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
zeelanderer: You could have saved yourself so much trouble by just writing that one line. You are right. The US is heading down that SAME path of socialism as our neighbors to the North.... sad but true.

zee



No I couldn't have...then people woulda just said..no he isn't...I had to show how McCain is just as much a socialist as Obama is....wave wink hug grin
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Oct 24, 2008 4:45 AM CST Obama's Plan to Socialize America
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
However, the vision of capitalists of allowing wealth and success to trickle down (Reaganish) is simply cyclic and unstable. History has demonstrated that the capitalist system fails every so often, and the ones that are blamed are the greedy individuals and institutions who had no regulators looking over their shoulder. The point is that you cannot allow institutions or business sectors to do as they please, cause they all become corrupt and mismanage the economy and their powers at one point or another.


Your whole post was well said Stress...BUT I just want to point out that their trickle down doesn't trickle...It sits stagnant at the top....to benefit only those at the top...and the middle and lower classes never see it!!!!!!!


wave wink hug teddybear hug bouquet
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Oct 24, 2008 4:49 AM CST Obama's Plan to Socialize America
zeelanderer
zeelandererzeelandererLouisville, Kentucky USA24 Threads 531 Posts
zeelanderer: What is the point of making money, when the more you make, the more they take? Anyone can make it without the governments help... you just need to get off the couch, turn off Jerry Springer and do something. It seems everyone just wants something for FREE.... too damn lazy to put a little effort. geez.

zee


oops... I meant to hit reply not quote... I take full responsiblity for my error.

zee
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Oct 24, 2008 4:54 AM CST Obama's Plan to Socialize America
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
Hugz_n_Kissez: Your whole post was well said Stress...BUT I just want to point out that their trickle down doesn't trickle...It sits stagnant at the top....to benefit only those at the top...and the middle and lower classes never see it!!!!!!!


Well, I can say that when times are good, the trickle down effect does factor in for almost everybody. It does create more jobs, higher pay, and higher consumer spending. However, the trickling down only last so long before another bubble busts. A huge problem recently (especially since the 80/90's) is the excess wealth or pay going to business executives instead of other areas where that money could be well invested for the present and future of the economy. Stagnation comes from excess greed most of the time.
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Oct 24, 2008 4:58 AM CST Obama's Plan to Socialize America
zeelanderer
zeelandererzeelandererLouisville, Kentucky USA24 Threads 531 Posts
Why are successful people called greedy and lazy people are called poor? At one point I was considered very successful (greedy). I made my money with a good work ethic. I lost my money also making a few bad choices. I did it on my own.... no help from the government. I will again be part of the greedy (successful) crowd once again with no help from the government. I have had no one to blame or pat on the back except for myself.... anyone can do it. you rely on the government and you will never be successful because they always want their Bigger cut.

zee
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Oct 24, 2008 4:59 AM CST Obama's Plan to Socialize America
zeelanderer: What is the point of making money, when the more you make, the more they take? Anyone can make it without the governments help... you just need to get off the couch, turn off Jerry Springer and do something. It seems everyone just wants something for FREE.... too damn lazy to put a little effort. geez.

zee
And that's the Flaw in their Scheme,which even the Village Dummy ought to be able to see.
The more Government dishes out for "FREE",the more "FREE-Loaders" you will have.
Put more People on the Government "Payroll" eventually they will outvote everyone else.
And that's what Welfare is,"Goviment Payroll".

It's a System of Legalized Theft,and NO Humanitarian mealymouthed Phrases can change that! hole
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Oct 24, 2008 5:00 AM CST Obama's Plan to Socialize America
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA152 Threads 8 Polls 18,150 Posts
StressFree: Well, I can say that when times are good, the trickle down effect does factor in for almost everybody. It does create more jobs, higher pay, and higher consumer spending. However, the trickling down only last so long before another bubble busts. A huge problem recently (especially since the 80/90's) is the excess wealth or pay going to business executives instead of other areas where that money could be well invested for the present and future of the economy. Stagnation comes from excess greed most of the time.




But what do greedy people do with their money? It gets invested back in the system in some way, shape or form. I don't think they stuff it in their mattresses. dunno
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Oct 24, 2008 5:05 AM CST Obama's Plan to Socialize America
zeelanderer
zeelandererzeelandererLouisville, Kentucky USA24 Threads 531 Posts
Indyfella: But what do greedy people do with their money? It gets invested back in the system in some way, shape or form. I don't think they stuff it in their mattresses.


I once had a paper stuffed mattress.... wait... that was a cardboard box... I prerefer down, myself and will put the money back in the ecconomy if the IRS leaves me some to spend.

zee
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Oct 24, 2008 5:05 AM CST Obama's Plan to Socialize America
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
zeelanderer: Why are successful people called greedy and lazy people are called poor? At one point I was considered very successful (greedy). I made my money with a good work ethic. I lost my money also making a few bad choices. I did it on my own.... no help from the government. I will again be part of the greedy (successful) crowd once again with no help from the government. I have had no one to blame or pat on the back except for myself.... anyone can do it. you rely on the government and you will never be successful because they always want their Bigger cut.

zee


Prove it!
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Oct 24, 2008 5:06 AM CST Obama's Plan to Socialize America
jbibiza
jbibizajbibizaCasinos, Valencia Spain94 Threads 4 Polls 4,914 Posts
"Obama is asking for regulation and regulators on the banking, housing, and lending industries. To have full blown socialism you need to Government control of key indsutry sectors of the country. Banking, Lending and Housing all have to be managed and controlled by Government. Depending on how the DEM government writes the regulations and empowers the Executive branch to control and manage these industries, you can have in essence a socialist government being legislated soon."



It´s funny how they don´t want Government regualation when they`re making money... but are quick to come to the govt. for hand outs when they f*ck it all up......
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Oct 24, 2008 5:06 AM CST Obama's Plan to Socialize America
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA152 Threads 8 Polls 18,150 Posts
StressFree: Prove it!


ie: OBAMA
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Oct 24, 2008 5:08 AM CST Obama's Plan to Socialize America
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA152 Threads 8 Polls 18,150 Posts
jbibiza: "Obama is asking for regulation and regulators on the banking, housing, and lending industries. To have full blown socialism you need to Government control of key indsutry sectors of the country. Banking, Lending and Housing all have to be managed and controlled by Government. Depending on how the DEM government writes the regulations and empowers the Executive branch to control and manage these industries, you can have in essence a socialist government being legislated soon."
It´s funny how they don´t want Government regualation when they`re making money... but are quick to come to the govt. for hand outs when they f*ck it all up......



They were the government and they helped f-ck it up. JMO
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Oct 24, 2008 5:09 AM CST Obama's Plan to Socialize America
zeelanderer
zeelandererzeelandererLouisville, Kentucky USA24 Threads 531 Posts
StressFree: Prove it!


I will open up my TAX files during the Clinton years just for you.... but I am not going to ship them due to weight costs, so you will have to come visit.

zee
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Oct 24, 2008 5:11 AM CST Obama's Plan to Socialize America
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA152 Threads 8 Polls 18,150 Posts
zeelanderer: I will open up my TAX files during the Clinton years just for you.... but I am not going to ship them due to weight costs, so you will have to come visit.

zee
laugh


She'd better do it before OPEC cuts production. laugh
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Oct 24, 2008 5:12 AM CST Obama's Plan to Socialize America
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
Indyfella: But what do greedy people do with their money? It gets invested back in the system in some way, shape or form. I don't think they stuff it in their mattresses.


You missed my point Indy...examining how that money gets invested and who really benefits by putting the money back in the system carries a load of issues that would be hard to discuss in a forum.
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