Obama for President.........Decency became a Tsunami! (827)
Dude, it is a genuine mystery! You would think these guys who preach democracy the world over (democracy of a sort anyway) could run an election.
I'm off to bed now....I'm leaving you in charge! No mis-spellings or losing your temper with the right-wingers!
I'm off to bed now....I'm leaving you in charge! No mis-spellings or losing your temper with the right-wingers!
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ttom500: The way I heard it, Fallingman....the Obama camp had asked people to call in sick tomorrow to vote. Also all the schools in Florida are shut down....So? People will have the time and the opportunity to vote if the have the will to do so.
When did your country run an election of.......140-150m voters? Let me see.......never. Just consider the logistics of that, Fallingman. In theory.....they need a ballot for 200m voters.....one for each voter in the country. Then they need the mechanisms to accumlate the data and tally the ballots. And you are not just talking about one race between the two Presidential canidates. On my ballot....there were 8 State of Florida issues......6 Judges, 4 Representivates, and 1/2 dozen local county races. There is simply no other country in the world that can do a massive election like the US.
So do me a favor......if you wish to compare the US to a 3rd world country......on its elections....support Obama some more. Open ballots is the way they often vote in 3rd world countries.
When did your country run an election of.......140-150m voters? Let me see.......never. Just consider the logistics of that, Fallingman. In theory.....they need a ballot for 200m voters.....one for each voter in the country. Then they need the mechanisms to accumlate the data and tally the ballots. And you are not just talking about one race between the two Presidential canidates. On my ballot....there were 8 State of Florida issues......6 Judges, 4 Representivates, and 1/2 dozen local county races. There is simply no other country in the world that can do a massive election like the US.
So do me a favor......if you wish to compare the US to a 3rd world country......on its elections....support Obama some more. Open ballots is the way they often vote in 3rd world countries.
You are full of hot air Tom.
The US election system is nothing short of a disgrace. You have lots of voters and lots of people to put on voting duty. Buy more machines....try harder.
Or perhaps you just don't want too many people to vote! Republican strategy?
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Fallingman: So there are 70 million unemployed welfare scroungers about to vote out the Bush empire?
Could be I suppose......in Republican dreamland.
Your only saving grace Indy is that I don't think you believe a word of this crap.
Others, I am not so sure about!
Could be I suppose......in Republican dreamland.
Your only saving grace Indy is that I don't think you believe a word of this crap.
Others, I am not so sure about!
Indy is not kidding at all Fallingman...... He is absloutely serious regarding this one as well ... thats why America is so lucky being free of his kind of guys all over the white House from January the 20, 2009!
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Fallingman: From the Orlando Sentinel:
While the state tallied the early voting across the state Monday morning, local supervisors of elections reported how early votes went in their counties. More than 45 percent of Seminole County's 262,078 voters cast their ballot before Election Day and that number could increase as the elections office continues tabulating absentee ballots. Seminole's contingent of Democrats, a virtually nonexistent force in recent elections, came out in mass. The breakdown of the early votes was 44 percent Democrats, 30 percent Republicans in a county where only a third of voters are registered Democrats.
Looks good Dude!!!!!
Carry on writing White Papers Tom
While the state tallied the early voting across the state Monday morning, local supervisors of elections reported how early votes went in their counties. More than 45 percent of Seminole County's 262,078 voters cast their ballot before Election Day and that number could increase as the elections office continues tabulating absentee ballots. Seminole's contingent of Democrats, a virtually nonexistent force in recent elections, came out in mass. The breakdown of the early votes was 44 percent Democrats, 30 percent Republicans in a county where only a third of voters are registered Democrats.
Looks good Dude!!!!!
Carry on writing White Papers Tom
Of course it looks just Fabulous!!!!!!!!
Thats EXACTLY why I say.........
OBAMA ROCKS, McCAIN SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!
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ttom500: LOL...Dude.....University of Michigan is having it worst season in 40 years.....presently they are 2-6,...they still get 116,000 to a football game. Attending something does not mean you are going to vote
for the person. Attending an Obama rally.....is like going to a free
rock concert.
LOL.............
for the person. Attending an Obama rally.....is like going to a free
rock concert.
LOL.............
LOL????????
Right TT...........
And the old war monger Dude ..... How many have ever gathered for his kind of speeches? What is his Record or Palins Record numbers in one place EVER?????
Lol all you can TT...... McCain is not worse listening to any way and that is actually one of the Facts you Repubes are so tired of and cant do any thing about..... Even trying to push school kids to his Rallies did not work last time ..... Remember THAT?
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Hot_Single_Dude: Then you will be Cocoonised together with Indyfella TT? Good for you
Interesting way to put it Dude.....but even under Obama....Americans will not cocooned. Here it is simple for you to understand. If Obama wins......on Jan 20th.....he will say....."My Fellow Americans".......
As soon as he says that....the divisivion in the country can end.
If McCain wins and says it......"My Fellow Americans"........
again the division in the country can end.
So in one sense does it matter, who wins and who says it? The division of politics can end with those words on the Jan 20th.
Will it end? I am like Bill O'Reilly on this one. I doubt that it will.
There is always some division in American politics.....some far left or far right that has some weird position that the media picks up on.
But basically Obama has moved to such a centrist position....that if he stays there.....most Americans will not have a problem with his Presidency. If he moves back to the far left...that is a different matter.
I have listened to several mid road REPs....when asked if they could support a Obama Presidency.....note the word 'support'....not 'serve'....
most all said yes.
Me? I am going to do a sit and wait for a while before I decide on it.
I want to see if he is oging to stay a centrist or if he moves to the left.
If I get the feeling he is moving that way......then I will oppose him again.
With McCain, I don't have to wait. I know where he is at. I can go ahead with projects and business.
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Hot_Single_Dude: LOL????????
Right TT...........
And the old war monger Dude ..... How many have ever gathered for his kind of speeches? What is his Record or Palins Record numbers in one place EVER?????
Lol all you can TT...... McCain is not worse listening to any way and that is actually one of the Facts you Repubes are so tired of and cant do any thing about..... Even trying to push school kids to his Rallies did not work last time ..... Remember THAT?
Right TT...........
And the old war monger Dude ..... How many have ever gathered for his kind of speeches? What is his Record or Palins Record numbers in one place EVER?????
Lol all you can TT...... McCain is not worse listening to any way and that is actually one of the Facts you Repubes are so tired of and cant do any thing about..... Even trying to push school kids to his Rallies did not work last time ..... Remember THAT?
Remember that it is the day of mass media? McCain is well known in the country....and though not having the $s for the ad campaign of
Obama......did run very effective ads.....and has that REP grass roots of GWB 2004 win reengerized with Palin on the ticket.
Like I said....I would go to a Obama rally...to listen to Springstien.....does not mean I would vote for him.
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ttom500: Here is where you are missing it, Fallingman. McCain split the DEMs again with the Palin VP selection. So even someone says on a exit polls....I am a DEM....does not mean they voted DEM or for Obama.
The beuaty of the secret ballot.
The Sentinel title pages this morning had a State map......3/4 RED for McCain....1/4 Blue for Obama. Including the I-4 cooridoor.
Florida hinges on the I-4 cooridoor, I live in the I-4 cooridoor.....if it goes McCain.....Florida is his. The rest of the State balances out the Miami Dade Blue. Sorry fellows......just the way it is.
The beuaty of the secret ballot.
The Sentinel title pages this morning had a State map......3/4 RED for McCain....1/4 Blue for Obama. Including the I-4 cooridoor.
Florida hinges on the I-4 cooridoor, I live in the I-4 cooridoor.....if it goes McCain.....Florida is his. The rest of the State balances out the Miami Dade Blue. Sorry fellows......just the way it is.
The IKE factor TT..... the IKE factor! You have no idea how that hurricane changed the whole senario regarding Florida..... Your Bushney,s made a major Blow up when they refused to help the people of Cuba ... Florida is almost all runned by former Cubans man..... you have just not found out about that ¨FACT still TT! The good old days where you could deceive esk Cubans by pushing them to be for ever mad of their former country is over! And YES the next governer in Florida will not be a Republican..... exactly because of THAT!
This poor nation of Cuba suggested sending help to this huge Rich Super power which have sanctionised Cuba for years, after Katrina and what did your Bushney,s do when they needed help? And you still think eks cubans are mainly Bushney endorsers ? think again Mister!
And as told before the Bushney,s lost Texas as well.... AGAIN becuase of a hurricane and the way the job was handleld form the "CUT TAXES NO MATTER WHAT" current administration in the United states!
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Hot_Single_Dude: The IKE factor TT..... the IKE factor! You have no idea how that hurricane changed the whole senario regarding Florida..... Your Bushney,s made a major Blow up when they refused to help the people of Cuba ... Florida is almost all runned by former Cubans man..... you have just not found out about that ¨FACT still TT! The good old days where you could deceive esk Cubans by pushing them to be for ever mad of their former country is over! And YES the next governer in Florida will not be a Republican..... exactly because of THAT!
This poor nation of Cuba suggested sending help to this huge Rich Super power which have sanctionised Cuba for years, after Katrina and what did your Bushney,s do when they needed help? And you still think eks cubans are mainly Bushney endorsers ? think again Mister!
And as told before the Bushney,s lost Texas as well.... AGAIN becuase of a hurricane and the way the job was handleld form the "CUT TAXES NO MATTER WHAT" current administration in the United states!
This poor nation of Cuba suggested sending help to this huge Rich Super power which have sanctionised Cuba for years, after Katrina and what did your Bushney,s do when they needed help? And you still think eks cubans are mainly Bushney endorsers ? think again Mister!
And as told before the Bushney,s lost Texas as well.... AGAIN becuase of a hurricane and the way the job was handleld form the "CUT TAXES NO MATTER WHAT" current administration in the United states!
The IKE factor? I am laughing now. Hurricane Ike cost the lives of 300.
Was estimated to be a $9-10b hurricane.
Texas is so heavy McCain that Obama did not even campaign there.
As for Cuba ofering to help with hurricane relief.....I can offer to send you a Christmas card.....makes me sound all nice and fuzzy.....does not mean you are getting a Christman card.
Just checking the Texas poll.....to show you how far ahead McCain is there......when I noticed Yahoo new electroral poll......in three days....
McCain has gone from 169 to 196.......27 electroral pickup and 27 loses to Obama. Obama is down to 318.
If McCain gets a electroral win and Obama gets a public vote win.....you are going to be one angry Dane.
By the way...I have played around with this poll...it lets you create
scenarios. The DEMs are saying that McCain needs a inside straight to win (e.g. only one path to win). I have at least 7 paths to getting the 270 for McCain. None were any kind of blow out......but each got him into the Presidency.
In Texas....McCain has a 23 point lead. That is your Ike factor. They just changed Florida......from a DEM state to battleground state. So even the pollsters are seeing Florida differently now.
For McCain to win....he needs 2 of 3......FL, OH, PA AND 2 of 3 of IN, MO, NC....tough to do, but not impossible. Any combination of those
will get him near or over the 270. One guy had a scenario of a 269 to 269 electroral college tie. Obama wins then by the way.....goes to Congress for a tie breaker.
Honesty with 30million new voters.....all the pollster models are off.
Morris explained it earlier why we are getting polls with such wide range of results.....they did not have any computer models from thedis new voters that came into the process. So even when they survey 3K...if the model is wrong.....you get wide ranges of numbers. I don't place much into the polls at this point. Tomorrow, we will know.
Anythings still goes on this one. Carl Rove....has kind of thrown in the hat by the way. He sees a Obama win. Morris is still seeing a possible McCain win.
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Fallingman: You are full of hot air Tom.
The US election system is nothing short of a disgrace. You have lots of voters and lots of people to put on voting duty. Buy more machines....try harder.
Or perhaps you just don't want too many people to vote! Republican strategy?
The US election system is nothing short of a disgrace. You have lots of voters and lots of people to put on voting duty. Buy more machines....try harder.
Or perhaps you just don't want too many people to vote! Republican strategy?
Fallingman......we are just a given to kick shins, I can see.
Consider the 100s of REP Supervisors of Elections in counties around the country....that if they wanted to..... could have put up road blocks to Obama young voters registeration earlier this year. They could have easily said.....college dorms are not residency. Register in your home town. They did not. Why could they say that?
Same reason as the felon imprisonment. Dorms are most often state property. They are there as a guest of the state. Hence no residency.
If the REP wanted to play such games with Obama or the DEMs, they easily could have.
But you don't get it Fallingman. See here is what all the studies have ever shown about historical voting patterns. That while a youth may start out as a liberal voter, by his/her mid 30s.....they go to the mid road and to being conservative voters. They want REP values then for the most part.
REP don't mind the young voter coming into the process. They know in a couple of elections.....they will likely be screaming for conservative canidates.....at the RNC. That in thier life time of voting, they will vote more times REP than DEM.
In my time as election official, I helped more DEM and IND get processed and to actually vote, than I did REP. It ain't about keeping any legal voter from voting, Fallingman. It is about keeping illegal voters from processing and from excercising the right of voting.
By the way...the United States election system is often monitored by foreign groups......read any reports from them....like you do of them on Russia? No. Fallingman, post this 2008 Presidential election.....those groups will give the country high marks for fairness and transperancy.
Anyways such independant reports that contradict your position likely dont get read by you and Dude. So guess we will just live with the disgrace and run our elections....but thanks for the advice.
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OBAMA !!
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Better get used to that name boys and girls cause it's gonna be :
OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA 
OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA
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The Danish Dude in '08
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ttom500: The way I heard it, Fallingman....the Obama camp had asked people to call in sick tomorrow to vote. Also all the schools in Florida are shut down....So? People will have the time and the opportunity to vote if the have the will to do so.
When did your country run an election of.......140-150m voters? Let me see.......never. Just consider the logistics of that, Fallingman. In theory.....they need a ballot for 200m voters.....one for each voter in the country. Then they need the mechanisms to accumlate the data and tally the ballots. And you are not just talking about one race between the two Presidential canidates. On my ballot....there were 8 State of Florida issues......6 Judges, 4 Representivates, and 1/2 dozen local county races. There is simply no other country in the world that can do a massive election like the US.
So do me a favor......if you wish to compare the US to a 3rd world country......on its elections....support Obama some more. Open ballots is the way they often vote in 3rd world countries.
When did your country run an election of.......140-150m voters? Let me see.......never. Just consider the logistics of that, Fallingman. In theory.....they need a ballot for 200m voters.....one for each voter in the country. Then they need the mechanisms to accumlate the data and tally the ballots. And you are not just talking about one race between the two Presidential canidates. On my ballot....there were 8 State of Florida issues......6 Judges, 4 Representivates, and 1/2 dozen local county races. There is simply no other country in the world that can do a massive election like the US.
So do me a favor......if you wish to compare the US to a 3rd world country......on its elections....support Obama some more. Open ballots is the way they often vote in 3rd world countries.
I noticed that in the news; isn't it way beyond common sense to expect the averager US citizen to make up to eight votes in one day?
I mean a lot of you guys are going to be very confused and make mistakes and cause other people patiently waiting in long queues to get irritable and get headaches and stuff.........it's probably way too important choosing your national leader to confuse the issue with multiple votes on which crook you prefer to represent you as a judge or a senator or whatever!
For the largest democracy in the world (let's not count India here) - for the largest 'western' democracy in the world you sure could do with a unified and simplified national voting system - why is that beyond you?
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rusty_knight: For the largest democracy in the world (let's not count India here) - for the largest 'western' democracy in the world you sure could do with a unified and simplified national voting system - why is that beyond you?
Why, indeed?
Maybe they don't know about the "K.I.S.S." principal
........................................Keep It Simple, Stupid
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ttom500: Fallingman......we are just a given to kick shins, I can see.
Consider the 100s of REP Supervisors of Elections in counties around the country....that if they wanted to..... could have put up road blocks to Obama young voters registeration earlier this year. They could have easily said.....college dorms are not residency. Register in your home town. They did not. Why could they say that?
Same reason as the felon imprisonment. Dorms are most often state property. They are there as a guest of the state. Hence no residency.
If the REP wanted to play such games with Obama or the DEMs, they easily could have.
But you don't get it Fallingman. See here is what all the studies have ever shown about historical voting patterns. That while a youth may start out as a liberal voter, by his/her mid 30s.....they go to the mid road and to being conservative voters. They want REP values then for the most part.
REP don't mind the young voter coming into the process. They know in a couple of elections.....they will likely be screaming for conservative canidates.....at the RNC. That in thier life time of voting, they will vote more times REP than DEM.
In my time as election official, I helped more DEM and IND get processed and to actually vote, than I did REP. It ain't about keeping any legal voter from voting, Fallingman. It is about keeping illegal voters from processing and from excercising the right of voting.
By the way...the United States election system is often monitored by foreign groups......read any reports from them....like you do of them on Russia? No. Fallingman, post this 2008 Presidential election.....those groups will give the country high marks for fairness and transperancy.
Anyways such independant reports that contradict your position likely dont get read by you and Dude. So guess we will just live with the disgrace and run our elections....but thanks for the advice.
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Consider the 100s of REP Supervisors of Elections in counties around the country....that if they wanted to..... could have put up road blocks to Obama young voters registeration earlier this year. They could have easily said.....college dorms are not residency. Register in your home town. They did not. Why could they say that?
Same reason as the felon imprisonment. Dorms are most often state property. They are there as a guest of the state. Hence no residency.
If the REP wanted to play such games with Obama or the DEMs, they easily could have.
But you don't get it Fallingman. See here is what all the studies have ever shown about historical voting patterns. That while a youth may start out as a liberal voter, by his/her mid 30s.....they go to the mid road and to being conservative voters. They want REP values then for the most part.
REP don't mind the young voter coming into the process. They know in a couple of elections.....they will likely be screaming for conservative canidates.....at the RNC. That in thier life time of voting, they will vote more times REP than DEM.
In my time as election official, I helped more DEM and IND get processed and to actually vote, than I did REP. It ain't about keeping any legal voter from voting, Fallingman. It is about keeping illegal voters from processing and from excercising the right of voting.
By the way...the United States election system is often monitored by foreign groups......read any reports from them....like you do of them on Russia? No. Fallingman, post this 2008 Presidential election.....those groups will give the country high marks for fairness and transperancy.
Anyways such independant reports that contradict your position likely dont get read by you and Dude. So guess we will just live with the disgrace and run our elections....but thanks for the advice.
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All right. sorry about the hot air remark. I just get exasperated by your incredible blinkers. Please don't constantly tell me what I do and do not get....I get it. I am not suggesting that the US election would fail some international test of authenticity...though Florida 2000 still stinks. What I am saying is that your system is just not good enough for a rich country. Also what I am saying is that the Republican deliberate tactic of trying to keep minority and potential Democrat voters off the register also stinks.
If you want power in a democracy get it by convincing the electorate not by stealing their votes. Any studies I have seen quoted suggest that the problem of obstruction and illegitimate striking off of voters is a far far greater one than any small amount of voter fraud.
Hopefully when you get a new administration they might improve the voting conditions for poorer areas to allow democracy breathe a little better!
OBAMA 08
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Fallingman: All right. sorry about the hot air remark. I just get exasperated by your incredible blinkers. Please don't constantly tell me what I do and do not get....I get it. I am not suggesting that the US election would fail some international test of authenticity...though Florida 2000 still stinks. What I am saying is that your system is just not good enough for a rich country. Also what I am saying is that the Republican deliberate tactic of trying to keep minority and potential Democrat voters off the register also stinks.
If you want power in a democracy get it by convincing the electorate not by stealing their votes. Any studies I have seen quoted suggest that the problem of obstruction and illegitimate striking off of voters is a far far greater one than any small amount of voter fraud.
Hopefully when you get a new administration they might improve the voting conditions for poorer areas to allow democracy breathe a little better!
OBAMA 08
If you want power in a democracy get it by convincing the electorate not by stealing their votes. Any studies I have seen quoted suggest that the problem of obstruction and illegitimate striking off of voters is a far far greater one than any small amount of voter fraud.
Hopefully when you get a new administration they might improve the voting conditions for poorer areas to allow democracy breathe a little better!
OBAMA 08
In response to: ...though Florida 2000 still stinks
Sure does,especially when you consider that the Media declared Al"The Brown"Gore the winner in Florida while Voting was still going on in the Panhandle.
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Long lines mean that people who can't afford to take the day off work won't...poor people, Dem voters probably.
Long line simply mean the State, or States isn't or aren't doing their job!
Elections are important. Why can't the US run them as if it were a modern Western democracy and not a poor third world country???
The way I heard it, Fallingman....the Obama camp had asked people to call in sick tomorrow to vote. Also all the schools in Florida are shut down....So? People will have the time and the opportunity to vote if the have the will to do so.
When did your country run an election of.......140-150m voters? Let me see.......never. Just consider the logistics of that, Fallingman. In theory.....they need a ballot for 200m voters.....one for each voter in the country. Then they need the mechanisms to accumlate the data and tally the ballots. And you are not just talking about one race between the two Presidential canidates. On my ballot....there were 8 State of Florida issues......6 Judges, 4 Representivates, and 1/2 dozen local county races. There is simply no other country in the world that can do a massive election like the US.
So do me a favor......if you wish to compare the US to a 3rd world country......on its elections....support Obama some more. Open ballots is the way they often vote in 3rd world countries.