Well, they, USA, bothered to come into the WWII only when they were bombed by Japan 1941, and before that, they made business with both Germany, and war-torn England who they didn’t sponsor by any means, instead sell as much as possible, with interest. England, the proper saviors of Europe, together with them Russians! Where the bloody hell were these US supposed saviors of Europe in 1939, when the war started, and where were they in 1940? It's not a fu**ing fortnight we speak of here.
To continue, only one country, only one, has dropped the bomb, twice. On both occasions, it was not necessary to make it one..
So shove it up yours with your bloody smart act!
There is no country more feared in the world at this point, than the USA. You know why? Not because of its military strength. We piss on that military parade. Jesus, if people still think that it’s because it’s military might, they need to be knocked over the head with a comet.
USA has tried to invade poverty like Viet-Nam, Afghanistan, Korea, and smurfs have shown more results.
No, the fear USA know it holds in it palms, is that it can nuke anyone, and is willing to do so. They have done it once, oh, wait, twice…. so….
I fear the fact that still to this day so many Americans find it a treat to admire, something to be mighty proud about, when it’s the FU**ING same thing old James Bond movie plots were built around, with a cold war Soviet regime threatening the world with nukes aimed against America.
RobbieMHertford, Hertfordshire, England UK4,553 posts
Indyfella: I didn't get the total breakdown on how the US troops gave their lives in both declarations of war on Germany and Japan, but the total was 416,800.
If I recall correctly...it was estimated that invading Japan with land forces could have cost another 150,000 troops. Hence, 2 a-bombs.
Yeah, but your forgetting the Emperor offered surrender before they dropped the first bomb, through diplomatic channels.
Nov 8, 2008 5:22 PM CST Should we in the rest of the world be scared of USA?
KevintWorcester, Home of the sauce, West Midlands, England UK6 Threads433 Posts
KevintWorcester, Home of the sauce, West Midlands, England UK433 posts
RobbieM: You forgetting all the British and Commonwealth soldiers who died fighting the Japanese.
You are also forgetting that history and the movies are two different worlds, and that most movies are made in the US. So its easy to see how many could be confused about fact and fiction.
RobbieMHertford, Hertfordshire, England UK4,553 posts
Kevint: You are also forgetting that history and the movies are two different worlds, and that most movies are made in the US. So its easy to see how many could be confused about fact and fiction.
Absolutely.I used to work in the Industry.
My knowledge comes from my relatives who served with destinction in WW2 on both sides of the conflict.
RobbieM: Yeah, but your forgetting the Emperor offered surrender before they dropped the first bomb, through diplomatic channels.
Wasn't that Diplomatic Channel a Soviet-Russian Channel,which had a neutrality pact with Japan,but Uncle Joe somehow forgot to mention the Japanese Surrender Offer to the rest of his Allies?
Indyfella: I've not received an invitation and I really have no desire to visit. But thanks.
Western Europe does owe the USA a huge debt of gratitude for eventually helping out in WWI and WWII............. and the economic rebuilding of Europe (was it the Truman Plan, or summat like dat).
It's just that movies tend to portray the USA as being the only good guys and the rest of us as pretty pathetic; its been in our mutual interest to help each other for several decades now, let's hope it lasts, but it is time for Western Europe to be able to defend itself and not rely on the USA - you can't have it both ways by knocking the USA but crying out for help when needed, right?
I think Hiroshima was and is controversial -
[The official line is that it saved 150,000 troops and brought the end of the war far faster, but doubts to the validity of that claim have been raised and still remain.]
Maybe it was like if you have a new toy you gotta see if it'll work........... maybe it had to be used once/twice for the rest of the world to be so stunned and shocked to say 'Never Again!'
Yet the world said 'Never Again!' after both world wars too - we really are a particularly nasty species when its in our economic interests to screw up another tribe for whatever we decide suits us as 'the truth'.
rusty_knight: Western Europe does owe the USA a huge debt of gratitude for eventually helping out in WWI and WWII............. and the economic rebuilding of Europe (was it the Truman Plan, or summat like dat).
It's just that movies tend to portray the USA as being the only good guys and the rest of us as pretty pathetic; its been in our mutual interest to help each other for several decades now, let's hope it lasts, but it is time for Western Europe to be able to defend itself and not rely on the USA - you can't have it both ways by knocking the USA but crying out for help when needed, right? I think Hiroshima was and is controversial -
[The official line is that it saved 150,000 troops and brought the end of the war far faster, but doubts to the validity of that claim have been raised and still remain.]
Maybe it was like if you have a new toy you gotta see if it'll work........... maybe it had to be used once/twice for the rest of the world to be so stunned and shocked to say 'Never Again!'
Yet the world said 'Never Again!' after both world wars too - we really are a particularly nasty species when its in our economic interests to screw up another tribe for whatever we decide suits us as 'the truth'.
Maybe Europe needs to make it's own war movies. LOL
Up until this election I think the U.S. would assist any European nation needing military support as we feel a bond with Europeans (generally speaking). I'm not sure I'd bank on it now. JMO I would like to see us pull our troops out of Europe and either bring them home or disperse them where needed.
I did review the numbers on lives lost during WW II....horrific for most countries. We should be glad it was before our time...yet remember the history.
We agree....on the nukes. Hopefully never again. We shall see...
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To continue, only one country, only one, has dropped the bomb, twice. On both occasions, it was not necessary to make it one..
So shove it up yours with your bloody smart act!
There is no country more feared in the world at this point, than the USA.
You know why?
Not because of its military strength.
We piss on that military parade.
Jesus, if people still think that it’s because it’s military might, they need to be knocked over the head with a comet.
USA has tried to invade poverty like Viet-Nam, Afghanistan, Korea, and smurfs have shown more results.
No, the fear USA know it holds in it palms, is that it can nuke anyone, and is willing to do so. They have done it once, oh, wait, twice…. so….
I fear the fact that still to this day so many Americans find it a treat to admire, something to be mighty proud about, when it’s the FU**ING same thing old James Bond movie plots were built around, with a cold war Soviet regime threatening the world with nukes aimed against America.
It’s all insane!