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Nov 13, 2008 11:22 AM CST It is terrible
crotalus_p
crotalus_pcrotalus_pRush, Dublin Ireland43 Threads 6 Polls 2,789 Posts
“It is terrible that we all die and lose everything we love; it is doubly terrible that so many human beings suffer needlessly while alive. That so much of this suffering can be directly attributed to religion—to religious hatreds, religious wars, religious delusions and religious diversions of scarce resources—is what makes atheism a moral and intellectual necessity.”



Sam Harris (From "Letter to a Christian Nation)









Thaik about it
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Nov 13, 2008 11:25 AM CST It is terrible
mindfful
mindffulmindffulChicago, Illinois USA235 Threads 8 Polls 18,996 Posts
i try not to thaik


but letters are all any of it is ya know

the new testament is testaments
meaning-letters

this is a letter

we can all write letters

here ill get things started


dear santa:


or how about these? x, m, n, p, q- just a few of my favorite letters


wave


just thot id help ya get it going

see ya
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Nov 13, 2008 11:28 AM CST It is terrible
druidess6308
druidess6308druidess6308Aliquippa, Pennsylvania USA79 Threads 13,695 Posts
Hi, Crotty! Just thought I'd pop in to say hi...you know you're not going to convert the masses. Have fun, though!

wave teddybear
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Nov 13, 2008 11:31 AM CST It is terrible
BarrenPneuma
BarrenPneumaBarrenPneumaGolden Staircase, Ontario Canada87 Threads 3 Polls 1,561 Posts
God is Love and Love is God, so I am confused as to what exactly it is that you claim to lose through death. Life for you is just an accident so there should be no loss when it is terminated?
Blaming God for death in reverse is akin to accepting that He gave you life, so at least there yet remains Hope for you yet young man.
comfort
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Nov 13, 2008 11:36 AM CST It is terrible
livinglarge
livinglargelivinglargein a good place, Kildare Ireland10 Threads 5,879 Posts
Hi Cro wave

my personal pain and loss have nothing got to do with religion ,
never has or will be ,
I have never in my life fallen out with any1 or fought with any1 based on their beliefs .
Ok , I can see your point , and as always you state your point of view with intelligence ,
but not all are consumed with the issue IMO ,

P.S.

Hope you are well hug
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Nov 13, 2008 11:56 AM CST It is terrible
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
BarrenPneuma: God is Love and Love is God, so I am confused as to what exactly it is that you claim to lose through death. Life for you is just an accident so there should be no loss when it is terminated?


point made and a good one Mark, off OP but hey..

In response to:
Blaming God for death in reverse is akin to accepting that He gave you life, so at least there yet remains Hope for you yet young man.


Not part of the OP, the OP directly relates to suffering, not life and death. Nice try switching it up, moving the OP to fit your intent. laugh

Your talent for conceptual delivery of circular logic is impressive thumbs up
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Nov 13, 2008 11:58 AM CST It is terrible
BarrenPneuma
BarrenPneumaBarrenPneumaGolden Staircase, Ontario Canada87 Threads 3 Polls 1,561 Posts
BnaturAl: point made and a good one Mark, off OP but hey..
Not part of the OP, the OP directly relates to suffering, not life and death. Nice try switching it up, moving the OP to fit your intent.

Your talent for conceptual delivery of circular logic is impressive


Aw Thanks Al...blushing hug
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Nov 13, 2008 11:58 AM CST It is terrible
dazzling_dave
dazzling_davedazzling_daveWaynesboro, Virginia USA4 Threads 1,993 Posts
BnaturAl: Ya, tell the victims that religion and god belief is benign!!!


Belief in God IS benign. It is people that interpret the words to make them fit their own ideologies.

The world would be a much nicer place if there were no God only because without God, there would be no humans.
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Nov 13, 2008 12:11 PM CST It is terrible
shipoker58
shipoker58shipoker58Las Vegas, Nevada USA30 Threads 2,969 Posts
no....what is sad is that on a dating site people try to stir up hard feelings about religion. The I am right and you are wrong mentality just is counter-productive on a dating site. Jusy mu opinion, though
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Nov 13, 2008 12:11 PM CST It is terrible
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
dazzling_dave: Belief in God IS benign. It is people that interpret the words to make them fit their own ideologies.

The world would be a much nicer place if there were no God only because without God, there would be no humans.



Dave wave

Seems a god capable of such majesty in the universe would be able to create words so succinct that interpreation would be unnecessary..yes?.

If there is a god and everything else about the universe is succinct, interpretation is not required. We can't change or interpret gravity any different, or the laws of motion, they are constant. Indeed an ordered way, that is not subject to interpretaion, only discovery. Seems a god with power and intelligence like that dropped the ball when it comes to words ...

RoMans wrote the bible, there is no god, especially no god of the bible, read history, you'll find out.

Creationism is as unproveable as god Dave. Just one of the many faults of god. But hey if you have some real proof, I'm sure presenting it would set the world on its head.
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Nov 13, 2008 12:13 PM CST It is terrible
lucky200761
lucky200761lucky200761Blue Springs, Missouri USA38 Threads 5 Polls 569 Posts
shipoker58: no....what is sad is that on a dating site people try to stir up hard feelings about religion. The I am right and you are wrong mentality just is counter-productive on a dating site. Jusy mu opinion, though

thumbs up
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Nov 13, 2008 12:13 PM CST It is terrible
crotalus_p
crotalus_pcrotalus_pRush, Dublin Ireland43 Threads 6 Polls 2,789 Posts
dazzling_dave: only because without God, there would be no humans.
Sorry to disappoint you but there is no sky fairy roll eyes
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Nov 13, 2008 12:14 PM CST It is terrible
mindfful
mindffulmindffulChicago, Illinois USA235 Threads 8 Polls 18,996 Posts
dazzling_dave: Belief in God IS benign. It is people that interpret the words to make them fit their own ideologies.

The world would be a much nicer place if there were no God only because without God, there would be no humans.


and that my friend is the only solution

cant wait!


hi davewave
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Nov 13, 2008 12:14 PM CST It is terrible
crotalus_p
crotalus_pcrotalus_pRush, Dublin Ireland43 Threads 6 Polls 2,789 Posts
druidess6308: Have fun, though!
Dont i allways wave lips teddybear lips
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Nov 13, 2008 12:16 PM CST It is terrible
crotalus_p
crotalus_pcrotalus_pRush, Dublin Ireland43 Threads 6 Polls 2,789 Posts
BarrenPneuma: God is Love and Love is God, so I am confused as to what exactly it is that you claim to lose through death. Life for you is just an accident so there should be no loss when it is terminated?
Blaming God for death in reverse is akin to accepting that He gave you life, so at least there yet remains Hope for you yet young man.



You need to reread the op or get English lesson’s
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Nov 13, 2008 12:16 PM CST It is terrible
X_REBEL
X_REBELX_REBELNorth Shore, Auckland New Zealand9 Threads 921 Posts
crotalus_p: “It is terrible that we all die and lose everything we love; it is doubly terrible that so many human beings suffer needlessly while alive. That so much of this suffering can be directly attributed to religion—to religious hatreds, religious wars, religious delusions and religious diversions of scarce resources—is what makes atheism a moral and intellectual necessity.”
Sam Harris (From "Letter to a Christian Nation)
Thaik about it


I'd rather believe in something than in nothing and if i die, receive something by believing in something, than receiving nothing. Get it?laugh
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Nov 13, 2008 12:17 PM CST It is terrible
crotalus_p
crotalus_pcrotalus_pRush, Dublin Ireland43 Threads 6 Polls 2,789 Posts
livinglarge:

Hope you are well
I am my dear and I see you are looking as gorgeous as ever lips teddybear lips bouquet
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Nov 13, 2008 12:18 PM CST It is terrible
mindfful
mindffulmindffulChicago, Illinois USA235 Threads 8 Polls 18,996 Posts
if we can agree that cs is a microcosm of society at large

we even have the luxury of having members from the whole planet here

wellllll...if so i think the math will bear me out here

all the shouting about believers trying to convert and prosyletize?

here at cs- its the non believers that do that more-the educating and convincing bit


dunno


just an observation

truly im unconcerned

i have mine
you have yours and they have theirs whoever todays 'they' happens to be


in the end-its not the basis of my every conversation or how i decide who is in my life... dunno
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Nov 13, 2008 12:20 PM CST It is terrible
mindfful
mindffulmindffulChicago, Illinois USA235 Threads 8 Polls 18,996 Posts
crotalus_p: You need to reread the op or get English lesson’s


why must you always resort to this kind of rhetoric?

you are capable of more.

but it does cause me to leave so i guess it does serve some positive purpose
rolling on the floor laughing
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Nov 13, 2008 12:23 PM CST It is terrible
crotalus_p
crotalus_pcrotalus_pRush, Dublin Ireland43 Threads 6 Polls 2,789 Posts
mindfful:
the new testament is testaments
meaning-letters


MF when will you understand that the bible is just another book written by men (and a bad one at that written my some not so clever men)doh
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