UF Research Mines Waste For Ethanol Production (9)
The findings of Ingram and his colleagues are valuable for the entire world as we all have been facing the high price of fuel and soon will be facing shortage of this non-renewable resources as well.
To sort out these problems is we have to look for potential options like bio fuels/other energy sources/ or that sort of bacteria that Ingram found out. How valuable genetic engineering!
To sort out these problems is we have to look for potential options like bio fuels/other energy sources/ or that sort of bacteria that Ingram found out. How valuable genetic engineering!
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well if it is worth the cost to produce it then I say give them all the dead trees and brush that is in California, so the fires there would have less fuel.....
I know with ethanol, it takes 3/4 a gal. of gas to produce 1 gal. of gas made from ethanol.. So that is actually dumb(from a business standpoint)
But tax payers are going to pay billions of dollars over the years to produce gas that way, so in the long run it will cost us more.....
But what do I know....
Interesting though
I know with ethanol, it takes 3/4 a gal. of gas to produce 1 gal. of gas made from ethanol.. So that is actually dumb(from a business standpoint)
But tax payers are going to pay billions of dollars over the years to produce gas that way, so in the long run it will cost us more.....
But what do I know....
Interesting though
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Pauline26: The findings of Ingram and his colleagues are valuable for the entire world as we all have been facing the high price of fuel and soon will be facing shortage of this non-renewable resources as well.
To sort out these problems is we have to look for potential options like bio fuels/other energy sources/ or that sort of bacteria that Ingram found out. How valuable genetic engineering!
To sort out these problems is we have to look for potential options like bio fuels/other energy sources/ or that sort of bacteria that Ingram found out. How valuable genetic engineering!
We have other options but we dont use them because the fuel companies have to strong a hold on the market. Hydrogen can be used in place of petrol, it can be produced quite simply from water with medical grade oxygen as a by product and will run a car. Even burnt out vegetable oil can run a car. Solar power can be used to run a car and a house. The problem is not finding alternative energies, the problem is the companies that run the industry dont want them on the market.
Hydrogen can run a car for a fraction of the price of petrol, it can be made from water with little more than a speaker transmitting a certain frequency and a crude chemical reactor (a steel pipe sealed at both ends) but what petrol station is going to stock it if it so easy to make and if you make your own without knowledge of chemical reactions you risk being blown to kingdom come. Both hydrogen and oxygen are highly flammable so releasing the oxygen to atmosphere is dangerous and storing hydrogen in your home is dangerous.
Its not options we have to look for, we have to look for companies that will manufacture the fuel and set up filling stations for the cars running the fuels, without consumer support this can never happen. To set up a company to do this would require A LOT OF MONEY and that’s the real problem.
The options for house energy requirements is extensive ranging from solar panels to geo-terminal (underground) heating to windmills. Industry requirements are different again requiring a lot more energy than a house but as cars can be run from alternatives to petrol so too can electrical generators.
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arranroot: We have other options but we dont use them because the fuel companies have to strong a hold on the market. Hydrogen can be used in place of petrol, it can be produced quite simply from water with medical grade oxygen as a by product and will run a car. Even burnt out vegetable oil can run a car. Solar power can be used to run a car and a house. The problem is not finding alternative energies, the problem is the companies that run the industry dont want them on the market.
Hydrogen can run a car for a fraction of the price of petrol, it can be made from water with little more than a speaker transmitting a certain frequency and a crude chemical reactor (a steel pipe sealed at both ends) but what petrol station is going to stock it if it so easy to make and if you make your own without knowledge of chemical reactions you risk being blown to kingdom come. Both hydrogen and oxygen are highly flammable so releasing the oxygen to atmosphere is dangerous and storing hydrogen in your home is dangerous.
Its not options we have to look for, we have to look for companies that will manufacture the fuel and set up filling stations for the cars running the fuels, without consumer support this can never happen. To set up a company to do this would require A LOT OF MONEY and that’s the real problem.
The options for house energy requirements is extensive ranging from solar panels to geo-terminal (underground) heating to windmills. Industry requirements are different again requiring a lot more energy than a house but as cars can be run from alternatives to petrol so too can electrical generators.
Hydrogen can run a car for a fraction of the price of petrol, it can be made from water with little more than a speaker transmitting a certain frequency and a crude chemical reactor (a steel pipe sealed at both ends) but what petrol station is going to stock it if it so easy to make and if you make your own without knowledge of chemical reactions you risk being blown to kingdom come. Both hydrogen and oxygen are highly flammable so releasing the oxygen to atmosphere is dangerous and storing hydrogen in your home is dangerous.
Its not options we have to look for, we have to look for companies that will manufacture the fuel and set up filling stations for the cars running the fuels, without consumer support this can never happen. To set up a company to do this would require A LOT OF MONEY and that’s the real problem.
The options for house energy requirements is extensive ranging from solar panels to geo-terminal (underground) heating to windmills. Industry requirements are different again requiring a lot more energy than a house but as cars can be run from alternatives to petrol so too can electrical generators.
I agree....I'm working on something now for house energy, that maybe able to work in autos, but don't know yet, still in the trail and error stage...
using kinetic energy and wih a combination of two other renewable resourses.. I'll know within 6months to a year...
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We have other options but we dont use them because the fuel companies have to strong a hold on the market. Hydrogen can be used in place of petrol, it can be produced quite simply from water with medical grade oxygen as a by product and will run a car. Even burnt out vegetable oil can run a car. Solar power can be used to run a car and a house. The problem is not finding alternative energies, the problem is the companies that run the industry dont want them on the market.
Hydrogen can run a car for a fraction of the price of petrol, it can be made from water with little more than a speaker transmitting a certain frequency and a crude chemical reactor (a steel pipe sealed at both ends) but what petrol station is going to stock it if it so easy to make and if you make your own without knowledge of chemical reactions you risk being blown to kingdom come. Both hydrogen and oxygen are highly flammable so releasing the oxygen to atmosphere is dangerous and storing hydrogen in your home is dangerous.
Its not options we have to look for, we have to look for companies that will manufacture the fuel and set up filling stations for the cars running the fuels, without consumer support this can never happen. To set up a company to do this would require A LOT OF MONEY and that’s the real problem.
The options for house energy requirements is extensive ranging from solar panels to geo-terminal (underground) heating to windmills. Industry requirements are different again requiring a lot more energy than a house but as cars can be run from alternatives to petrol so too can electrical generators.
Thank you so much for your useful information and explanation about combustable power of hydrogen, very interesting.I am an environmental engineer and I wish the people all over the world have less burdens of fuel costs as when the fuel cost is higher, that of other goods and commodities are also higher.I think these giants companies that run the industry should have considered for benefits of billions of people all over the world.
Hydrogen can run a car for a fraction of the price of petrol, it can be made from water with little more than a speaker transmitting a certain frequency and a crude chemical reactor (a steel pipe sealed at both ends) but what petrol station is going to stock it if it so easy to make and if you make your own without knowledge of chemical reactions you risk being blown to kingdom come. Both hydrogen and oxygen are highly flammable so releasing the oxygen to atmosphere is dangerous and storing hydrogen in your home is dangerous.
Its not options we have to look for, we have to look for companies that will manufacture the fuel and set up filling stations for the cars running the fuels, without consumer support this can never happen. To set up a company to do this would require A LOT OF MONEY and that’s the real problem.
The options for house energy requirements is extensive ranging from solar panels to geo-terminal (underground) heating to windmills. Industry requirements are different again requiring a lot more energy than a house but as cars can be run from alternatives to petrol so too can electrical generators.
arranroot: We have other options but we dont use them because the fuel companies have to strong a hold on the market. Hydrogen can be used in place of petrol, it can be produced quite simply from water with medical grade oxygen as a by product and will run a car. Even burnt out vegetable oil can run a car. Solar power can be used to run a car and a house. The problem is not finding alternative energies, the problem is the companies that run the industry dont want them on the market.
Hydrogen can run a car for a fraction of the price of petrol, it can be made from water with little more than a speaker transmitting a certain frequency and a crude chemical reactor (a steel pipe sealed at both ends) but what petrol station is going to stock it if it so easy to make and if you make your own without knowledge of chemical reactions you risk being blown to kingdom come. Both hydrogen and oxygen are highly flammable so releasing the oxygen to atmosphere is dangerous and storing hydrogen in your home is dangerous.
Its not options we have to look for, we have to look for companies that will manufacture the fuel and set up filling stations for the cars running the fuels, without consumer support this can never happen. To set up a company to do this would require A LOT OF MONEY and that’s the real problem.
The options for house energy requirements is extensive ranging from solar panels to geo-terminal (underground) heating to windmills. Industry requirements are different again requiring a lot more energy than a house but as cars can be run from alternatives to petrol so too can electrical generators.
Hydrogen can run a car for a fraction of the price of petrol, it can be made from water with little more than a speaker transmitting a certain frequency and a crude chemical reactor (a steel pipe sealed at both ends) but what petrol station is going to stock it if it so easy to make and if you make your own without knowledge of chemical reactions you risk being blown to kingdom come. Both hydrogen and oxygen are highly flammable so releasing the oxygen to atmosphere is dangerous and storing hydrogen in your home is dangerous.
Its not options we have to look for, we have to look for companies that will manufacture the fuel and set up filling stations for the cars running the fuels, without consumer support this can never happen. To set up a company to do this would require A LOT OF MONEY and that’s the real problem.
The options for house energy requirements is extensive ranging from solar panels to geo-terminal (underground) heating to windmills. Industry requirements are different again requiring a lot more energy than a house but as cars can be run from alternatives to petrol so too can electrical generators.
Thank you so much for your useful information and explanation about combustable power of hydrogen, very interesting.I am an environmental engineer and I wish the people all over the world have less burdens of fuel costs as when the fuel cost is higher, that of other goods and commodities are also higher.I think these giants companies that run the industry should have considered for benefits of billions of people all over the world.
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arranroot: We have other options but we dont use them because the fuel companies have to strong a hold on the market. Hydrogen can be used in place of petrol, it can be produced quite simply from water with medical grade oxygen as a by product and will run a car. Even burnt out vegetable oil can run a car. Solar power can be used to run a car and a house. The problem is not finding alternative energies, the problem is the companies that run the industry dont want them on the market.
Hydrogen can run a car for a fraction of the price of petrol, it can be made from water with little more than a speaker transmitting a certain frequency and a crude chemical reactor (a steel pipe sealed at both ends) but what petrol station is going to stock it if it so easy to make and if you make your own without knowledge of chemical reactions you risk being blown to kingdom come. Both hydrogen and oxygen are highly flammable so releasing the oxygen to atmosphere is dangerous and storing hydrogen in your home is dangerous.
Its not options we have to look for, we have to look for companies that will manufacture the fuel and set up filling stations for the cars running the fuels, without consumer support this can never happen. To set up a company to do this would require A LOT OF MONEY and that’s the real problem.
The options for house energy requirements is extensive ranging from solar panels to geo-terminal (underground) heating to windmills. Industry requirements are different again requiring a lot more energy than a house but as cars can be run from alternatives to petrol so too can electrical generators.
Oxygen is an OXIDIZER,it does not burn.Hydrogen can run a car for a fraction of the price of petrol, it can be made from water with little more than a speaker transmitting a certain frequency and a crude chemical reactor (a steel pipe sealed at both ends) but what petrol station is going to stock it if it so easy to make and if you make your own without knowledge of chemical reactions you risk being blown to kingdom come. Both hydrogen and oxygen are highly flammable so releasing the oxygen to atmosphere is dangerous and storing hydrogen in your home is dangerous.
Its not options we have to look for, we have to look for companies that will manufacture the fuel and set up filling stations for the cars running the fuels, without consumer support this can never happen. To set up a company to do this would require A LOT OF MONEY and that’s the real problem.
The options for house energy requirements is extensive ranging from solar panels to geo-terminal (underground) heating to windmills. Industry requirements are different again requiring a lot more energy than a house but as cars can be run from alternatives to petrol so too can electrical generators.
Therefore it is absolutely safe to release it into the Atmosphere.
It merely sustains oxidation.
H2 is the dangerous one,18 to 59% in Air are explosive.
And you still need to make some modification to your Engine when using Hydrogen.
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I'm just reading and learning. I would love better, more affordable sources of energy to become the norm...for all of our sakes. So, I appreciate those here who have the knowledge and are working toward this goal.
Thank you...keep up the good work.
Thank you...keep up the good work.
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Tater: well if it is worth the cost to produce it then I say give them all the dead trees and brush that is in California, so the fires there would have less fuel.....
There IS a process using an acid pre-treatment that prepares wood chips for the ethanol fermentation process. It is the preferred method for areas where wood is plentiful.
I know with ethanol, it takes 3/4 a gal. of gas to produce 1 gal. of gas made from ethanol.. So that is actually dumb(from a business standpoint)
I'm sorry but you are completely wrong. No gasoline or any fossil fuel is used to produce cellulosic ethanol. The heat necessary for operating the cellulosic ethanol plant is derived from a byproduct of the process called lignin. In fact more lignin is produced than what is required to run the plant and this excess lignin can be sold to power generating plants to produce electricity.
But tax payers are going to pay billions of dollars over the years to produce gas that way, so in the long run it will cost us more.....
Wrong again. Cellulosic ethanol will save billions of dollars by eliminating the need to use food (corn) to make ethanol which is the practice today. The price of corn has gone through the roof in the last 2 years from about $2.50 a bushel to over $8.00. This has impacted the cost of everything that is made from corn especially animal feed. I know what I'm talking about because I raise chickens and sell eggs as a sideline and a bag of feed which use to cost me about 7 bucks is now close to 15. Just like the big food chains, I had to raise what I charge for a doz eggs recently
But what do I know....
Interesting though
There IS a process using an acid pre-treatment that prepares wood chips for the ethanol fermentation process. It is the preferred method for areas where wood is plentiful.
I know with ethanol, it takes 3/4 a gal. of gas to produce 1 gal. of gas made from ethanol.. So that is actually dumb(from a business standpoint)
I'm sorry but you are completely wrong. No gasoline or any fossil fuel is used to produce cellulosic ethanol. The heat necessary for operating the cellulosic ethanol plant is derived from a byproduct of the process called lignin. In fact more lignin is produced than what is required to run the plant and this excess lignin can be sold to power generating plants to produce electricity.
But tax payers are going to pay billions of dollars over the years to produce gas that way, so in the long run it will cost us more.....
Wrong again. Cellulosic ethanol will save billions of dollars by eliminating the need to use food (corn) to make ethanol which is the practice today. The price of corn has gone through the roof in the last 2 years from about $2.50 a bushel to over $8.00. This has impacted the cost of everything that is made from corn especially animal feed. I know what I'm talking about because I raise chickens and sell eggs as a sideline and a bag of feed which use to cost me about 7 bucks is now close to 15. Just like the big food chains, I had to raise what I charge for a doz eggs recently
But what do I know....
Interesting though
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That's what scientists and others call the microscopic organisms they are counting on to create a new U.S.-based fuel industry free of ties to foreign oil producers.
More than 20 years ago, Ingram and other UF researchers genetically engineered a bacterium that could turn common grasses, agricultural waste and wood chips into ethanol for our cars. Called cellulosic ethanol, it is an alternative to ethanol made from corn, which has lost favor because it uses land also needed for food crops.
Ingram, a microbiology and cell science professor, has devoted the better part of his career to the cellulosic cause. In 1991, he and the university received a U.S. patent on his first ethanol-making organism. Since then, his work has received 19 more patents and has attracted investors who bought the rights to use two of the microbial creations.
Success has always been just around the corner, with its promise of releasing the country from its dependence on fossil fuels - and of bringing millions to Ingram, 60, and the university. UF is hoping for the same success that followed the creation of the sports drink Gatorade in the mid-1960s. ............more here