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Dec 6, 2008 4:44 PM CST Questions about Cancer
dcj22
dcj22dcj22Somewhere, Tennessee USA102 Threads 3 Polls 11,581 Posts
I have a question. I know that a cancerous tumor begins as a mutated cell, causing other mutated cells to group together forming the tumor.

My question is, when this first cell causes other cells to mutate, is it causing existing good cells to mutate, or is it causing newly formed mutated cells?
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Dec 6, 2008 4:45 PM CST Questions about Cancer
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
dcj22: I have a question. I know that a cancerous tumor begins as a mutated cell, causing other mutated cells to group together forming the tumor.

My question is, when this first cell causes other cells to mutate, is it causing existing good cells to mutate, or is it causing newly formed mutated cells?


I only know that freshly mutated cells crave sugars dunno
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Dec 6, 2008 4:46 PM CST Questions about Cancer
druidess6308
druidess6308druidess6308Aliquippa, Pennsylvania USA79 Threads 13,695 Posts
If I remember correctly from my studies on this, it's causing good cells to mutate.
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Dec 6, 2008 4:52 PM CST Questions about Cancer
dcj22
dcj22dcj22Somewhere, Tennessee USA102 Threads 3 Polls 11,581 Posts
druidess6308: If I remember correctly from my studies on this, it's causing good cells to mutate.


So the part of his brain that they remove will be what was formerly good cells? He knows that he may not be able to walk, or talk again. I just wasn't sure if it was those cells that had mutated or new ones.
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Dec 6, 2008 4:53 PM CST Questions about Cancer
dcj22
dcj22dcj22Somewhere, Tennessee USA102 Threads 3 Polls 11,581 Posts
trish123: I only know that freshly mutated cells crave sugars


That's interesting. I'd never heard that.
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Dec 6, 2008 4:54 PM CST Questions about Cancer
druidess6308
druidess6308druidess6308Aliquippa, Pennsylvania USA79 Threads 13,695 Posts
dcj22: So the part of his brain that they remove will be what was formerly good cells? He knows that he may not be able to walk, or talk again. I just wasn't sure if it was those cells that had mutated or new ones.


They were good cells...now they're mutated. Sorry, didn't mean to cause confusion. It mutates good cells and grows new ones...that's how it spreads so easily.
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Dec 6, 2008 4:55 PM CST Questions about Cancer
druidess6308
druidess6308druidess6308Aliquippa, Pennsylvania USA79 Threads 13,695 Posts
dcj22: So the part of his brain that they remove will be what was formerly good cells? He knows that he may not be able to walk, or talk again. I just wasn't sure if it was those cells that had mutated or new ones.


doh Read your post again...yes, some of them.
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Dec 6, 2008 5:01 PM CST Questions about Cancer
dcj22
dcj22dcj22Somewhere, Tennessee USA102 Threads 3 Polls 11,581 Posts
druidess6308: They were good cells...now they're mutated. Sorry, didn't mean to cause confusion. It mutates good cells and grows new ones...that's how it spreads so easily.



Ok.
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Dec 6, 2008 5:03 PM CST Questions about Cancer
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
trish123: I only know that freshly mutated cells crave sugars


Yep, its there in all the stuff on "things the big pharmaceutical companies dont want you to know" just google that last sentence, theres lots to learn - thats how I found out too......
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Dec 6, 2008 5:05 PM CST Questions about Cancer
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
dcj22: I do believe that Adam will be okay. I'm just afraid for what he has to go through to get back to that point.


Have you had any news on Adams surgery yet sweetie? hug
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Dec 6, 2008 5:08 PM CST Questions about Cancer
dcj22
dcj22dcj22Somewhere, Tennessee USA102 Threads 3 Polls 11,581 Posts
trish123: Have you had any news on Adams surgery yet sweetie?


Yes, Trish. It's Monday. Which would be why I'm so on edge at the moment. He's having a good day today and remembering things.
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Dec 6, 2008 5:18 PM CST Questions about Cancer
druidess6308
druidess6308druidess6308Aliquippa, Pennsylvania USA79 Threads 13,695 Posts
OK...I looked online for you. The answer is that one cell mutates, this causes rapid growth of other mutated cells, crowding out the surrounding good cells. Then one mutates again, causing even more rapid growth...this happens 4 times without metastasis.
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Dec 6, 2008 5:26 PM CST Questions about Cancer
RobbieM
RobbieMRobbieMHertford, Hertfordshire, England UK115 Threads 6 Polls 4,553 Posts
friendsfirst: Good story Robbie.


I think he may have written a book about it all as well, but i cant remember his name, all i remember his as was a marine (i think) who was blonde.

Ironically he was responsible for the rethinking on weapon design on dropped weapons on the battlefield, and on the way you treat enemy combatants who you would normally walk by assuming their dead.

Well in his case he walked by a man who was playing dead and blew the back of his head off.I remember he was airlifted to the medical ship and they basically used the triage system and basically thought he would die, but when they realised he was still "viable" they pulled out all the stops and put a metal plate to replace the part of the skull he lost, and stretched the scalp over the wound.

Absolute true story, but i cant remember the gents name.
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Dec 6, 2008 7:06 PM CST Questions about Cancer
dcj22
dcj22dcj22Somewhere, Tennessee USA102 Threads 3 Polls 11,581 Posts
druidess6308: OK...I looked online for you. The answer is that one cell mutates, this causes rapid growth of other mutated cells, crowding out the surrounding good cells. Then one mutates again, causing even more rapid growth...this happens 4 times without metastasis.


The really unbelievable part of all this is how quickly it's happened. He'd been having headaches for a while, but just found out about the tumor a few weeks ago.
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Dec 6, 2008 7:12 PM CST Questions about Cancer
druidess6308
druidess6308druidess6308Aliquippa, Pennsylvania USA79 Threads 13,695 Posts
dcj22: The really unbelievable part of all this is how quickly it's happened. He'd been having headaches for a while, but just found out about the tumor a few weeks ago.


Those headaches were probably the beginning of the tumor growing and putting pressure inside of his brain. There's no room for anything extra. And some cancers grow faster than others.
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Dec 6, 2008 7:19 PM CST Questions about Cancer
BarrenPneuma
BarrenPneumaBarrenPneumaGolden Staircase, Ontario Canada87 Threads 3 Polls 1,561 Posts
Not sure if this is any help Dana but years ago I read of a man who was hospitalized for some fairly serious medical issue and during his stay a nurse noticed that his head barely left an impression on the pillow. At least not in the way that anyone else did. She noted this to the doctor and they ended up doing some CAT scans. He had absolutely no brain whatsoever just a brain stem surrounded by cerebrospinal fluid. Subsequent testing indicated that he had an IQ of 126 and was completely normal.
Science has proven and witnessed things of this sort for a very long time.
Many neurologists feel that this is a tribute to the brains redundancy and it's ability to reassign functions. Others, however, are not so sure.
Norman Geschwind, a neurologist at Bostons Beth Israel Hospital agrees: "Certainly the brain has a remarkable capacity for reassigning functions following trauma, but you can usually pick up some kind of deficit with the right tests, even after apparently full recovery."
The Lord works in mysterious ways.
My prayers are added to those for Adam. I have faith he will be ok.
God Bless,

~ Mark
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Dec 6, 2008 7:22 PM CST Questions about Cancer
druidess6308
druidess6308druidess6308Aliquippa, Pennsylvania USA79 Threads 13,695 Posts
BarrenPneuma: Not sure if this is any help Dana but years ago I read of a man who was hospitalized for some fairly serious medical issue and during his stay a nurse noticed that his head barely left an impression on the pillow. At least not in the way that anyone else did. She noted this to the doctor and they ended up doing some CAT scans. He had absolutely no brain whatsoever just a brain stem surrounded by cerebrospinal fluid. Subsequent testing indicated that he had an IQ of 126 and was completely normal.
Science has proven and witnessed things of this sort for a very long time.
Many neurologists feel that this is a tribute to the brains redundancy and it's ability to reassign functions. Others, however, are not so sure.
Norman Geschwind, a neurologist at Bostons Beth Israel Hospital agrees: "Certainly the brain has a remarkable capacity for reassigning functions following trauma, but you can usually pick up some kind of deficit with the right tests, even after apparently full recovery."
The Lord works in mysterious ways.
My prayers are added to those for Adam. I have faith he will be ok.
God Bless,

~ Mark


Interesting. Very, very interesting story.
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Dec 6, 2008 7:24 PM CST Questions about Cancer
dcj22
dcj22dcj22Somewhere, Tennessee USA102 Threads 3 Polls 11,581 Posts
druidess6308: Those headaches were probably the beginning of the tumor growing and putting pressure inside of his brain. There's no room for anything extra. And some cancers grow faster than others.



Yeah, I know. Thats why he finally told his mom and they went to the doctor. It just seems this one must be very aggressive for all of this to get this bad so quickly. Poor thing. It was good to chat with him this morning. I usually just let Em, but today I took a few minutes with him myself before turning him over to her.

Em is actually grounded from the computer at the moment, but I do let her chat with Adam whenever he wants. She seems to have been a great help to him.
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Dec 6, 2008 7:25 PM CST Questions about Cancer
RobbieM
RobbieMRobbieMHertford, Hertfordshire, England UK115 Threads 6 Polls 4,553 Posts
druidess6308: Interesting. Very, very interesting story.


The brain basically reroutes messages through different synaps.

That's the really short version.
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Dec 6, 2008 7:28 PM CST Questions about Cancer
dcj22
dcj22dcj22Somewhere, Tennessee USA102 Threads 3 Polls 11,581 Posts
BarrenPneuma: Not sure if this is any help Dana but years ago I read of a man who was hospitalized for some fairly serious medical issue and during his stay a nurse noticed that his head barely left an impression on the pillow. At least not in the way that anyone else did. She noted this to the doctor and they ended up doing some CAT scans. He had absolutely no brain whatsoever just a brain stem surrounded by cerebrospinal fluid. Subsequent testing indicated that he had an IQ of 126 and was completely normal.
Science has proven and witnessed things of this sort for a very long time.
Many neurologists feel that this is a tribute to the brains redundancy and it's ability to reassign functions. Others, however, are not so sure.
Norman Geschwind, a neurologist at Bostons Beth Israel Hospital agrees: "Certainly the brain has a remarkable capacity for reassigning functions following trauma, but you can usually pick up some kind of deficit with the right tests, even after apparently full recovery."
The Lord works in mysterious ways.
My prayers are added to those for Adam. I have faith he will be ok.
God Bless,

~ Mark



Mark, thank you. That's incredible. I do worry about what he may have to relearn, and you're right, this is a testament to the brains abilities. Adam is very worried about being unable to speak or walk. Though, he hasn't remember the possible side effects for the past few days. Those are things we don't remind him of.

Fortunately, he was able to make the decision to have the surgery before his functions got so bad. His mom had left that decision to him.

Mostly, thank you for the prayers. hug
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