Letter to Eric Gutkind (partial) (44)
Interesting letter. Apparently he was a bit upset by something Mr. Gutkind said to him...
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druidess6308: Interesting letter. Apparently he was a bit upset by something Mr. Gutkind said to him...
To be honest D it is partly Einstein’s fault by using the word “god” he left the door wide open to people that where all to eager to misinterpret him
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crotalus_p: To be honest D it is partly Einstein’s fault by using the word “god” he left the door wide open to people that where all to eager to misinterpret him
Well,Einstein might have cared less about how other People would interpret him.
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crotalus_p: To be honest D it is partly Einstein’s fault by using the word “god” he left the door wide open to people that where all to eager to misinterpret him
What are you trying to prove or comment on, by displaying that letter, If everyone just copied and pasted letters ad infinitum Cs would explode.
If you want to make a point why not just make a point.
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crotalus_p: Wow your level of maturity is astounding
Seems to be more Honest than yours though
..No clever words just honesty something your probally not used to seeing with your small snipets of crap all the time .. How many threads have you contributed to on these forums in the last 6 months and how many of them are in normal discussions .. You know without a religious veiw /religious tone
..1%.....5%....10%...20% more
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rizlared: What are you trying to prove or comment on, by displaying that letter, If everyone just copied and pasted letters ad infinitum Cs would explode.
If you want to make a point why not just make a point.
If you want to make a point why not just make a point.
It relates to a discussion that arises every now and then on the forums it was meant for those that are regular contributors to said discussion
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omurchu22: Seems to be more Honest than yours though ..No clever words just honesty something your probally not used to seeing with your small snipets of crap all the time ..
How many threads have you contributed to on these forums in the last 6 months and how many of them are in normal discussions .. You know without a religious veiw /religious tone ..
1%.....5%....10%...20% more
How many threads have you contributed to on these forums in the last 6 months and how many of them are in normal discussions .. You know without a religious veiw /religious tone ..
1%.....5%....10%...20% more
You need to understand him, he has no opinion himself, if its not written down it does not exist, therefore its not possible for him to have a free thought, to do so would prove that some things exist without proof.
He is controlled by cut and paste, without those tools its as if he never existed.
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omurchu22: Seems to be more Honest than yours though
Do point out where I was dishonest
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rizlared:
He is controlled by cut and paste, without those tools its as if he never existed.
You have obviously not read many of my posts He is controlled by cut and paste, without those tools its as if he never existed.
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crotalus_p: You have obviously not read many of my posts
Oh I have, way too many, and they all say the same thing
that you are unable to produce ant opinion other than those made by someone else.
You accuse those who believe in God that they are believing in something false, because there is no way to prove his existence.
yet in the same breath you are just as unable to prove his non existence, but, because you have been told by your so called friends that you are right, you carry on saying all believers are wrong.
If you were to have a genuine thought process I really think it would give you a heart attack from the shock of actually thinking something not planted there by one of your books.
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A pretty damn interesting letter. Thanks, Cro!
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Ambrose2007: A pretty damn interesting letter. Thanks, Cro!
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rizlared:
You accuse those who believe in God that they are believing in something false, because there is no way to prove his existence.
yet in the same breath you are just as unable to prove his non existence
The celestial tea pot comes to mind You accuse those who believe in God that they are believing in something false, because there is no way to prove his existence.
yet in the same breath you are just as unable to prove his non existence
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omurchu22: yes or no
No , No. Now please do point out where I was dishonest
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crotalus_p: I was dishonest
Just wanted to help
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rizlared: You need to understand him, he has no opinion himself, if its not written down it does not exist, therefore its not possible for him to have a free thought, to do so would prove that some things exist without proof.
He is controlled by cut and paste, without those tools its as if he never existed.
He is controlled by cut and paste, without those tools its as if he never existed.
I do find myself reading a lot of these religious threads,
dont know why, the original subject matter holds no
interest to me. Maybe I just enjoy the bickering.
But from my observations, the above post is just not
accurate.
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What's going on here?
I myself believe in God. I have no problem with people that don't either though, I would never influence their belief system nor would I tolerate anyone criticising mine.
I mean honestly............ belief is personal. That's all there is to it.
I don't preach about mine. The world is diverse, live and let live.
I mean really, no argument about Religion will ever end. I say believe what you want to believe, to sustain yourself but do so privately.......
That's just my view, doesn't work for everyone.
Interesting post though.
I myself believe in God. I have no problem with people that don't either though, I would never influence their belief system nor would I tolerate anyone criticising mine.
I mean honestly............ belief is personal. That's all there is to it.
I don't preach about mine. The world is diverse, live and let live.
I mean really, no argument about Religion will ever end. I say believe what you want to believe, to sustain yourself but do so privately.......
That's just my view, doesn't work for everyone.
Interesting post though.
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Ambrose2007: His "dishonesty" likely consists, in your account, of his disagreeing with you on this subject.
A thread praising god wouldn't draw censure from you, right?
A thread praising god wouldn't draw censure from you, right?
Maybe not, but one that praises religion would get my back up.
But, debating the pro's and con's of God as opposed to religion are worthless as it is by its very nature unprovable either way.
Whereas religion, thats a different ball game
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crotalus_p: Letter to Eric Gutkind (partial)
Albert Einstein (1954)
May 16, 2008. Letter sold
at auction for $404,000.00
Translated here from the German
by Joan Stambaugh
... The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. These subtilized interpretations are highly manifold according to their nature and have almost nothing to do with the original text. For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are also no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything "chosen" about them.
In general I find it painful that you claim a privileged position and try to defend it by two walls of pride, an external one as a man and an internal one as a Jew. As a man you claim, so to speak, a dispensation from causality otherwise accepted; as a Jew the privilege of monotheism. But a limited causality is no longer a causality at all, as our wonderful Spinoza recognized with all incision, probably as the first one. And the animistic interpretations of the religions of nature are in principle not annulled by monopolization. With such walls we can only attain a certain self-deception, but our moral efforts are not furthered by them. On the contrary.
Now that I have quite openly stated our differences in intellectual convictions it is still clear to me that we are quite close to each other in essential things, ie in our evaluations of human behavior. What separates us are only intellectual "props" and "rationalization" in Freud's language. Therefore I think that we would understand each other quite well if we talked about concrete things.
With friendly thanks and best wishes.
Yours,
A. Einstein
Albert Einstein (1954)
May 16, 2008. Letter sold
at auction for $404,000.00
Translated here from the German
by Joan Stambaugh
... The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. These subtilized interpretations are highly manifold according to their nature and have almost nothing to do with the original text. For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are also no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything "chosen" about them.
In general I find it painful that you claim a privileged position and try to defend it by two walls of pride, an external one as a man and an internal one as a Jew. As a man you claim, so to speak, a dispensation from causality otherwise accepted; as a Jew the privilege of monotheism. But a limited causality is no longer a causality at all, as our wonderful Spinoza recognized with all incision, probably as the first one. And the animistic interpretations of the religions of nature are in principle not annulled by monopolization. With such walls we can only attain a certain self-deception, but our moral efforts are not furthered by them. On the contrary.
Now that I have quite openly stated our differences in intellectual convictions it is still clear to me that we are quite close to each other in essential things, ie in our evaluations of human behavior. What separates us are only intellectual "props" and "rationalization" in Freud's language. Therefore I think that we would understand each other quite well if we talked about concrete things.
With friendly thanks and best wishes.
Yours,
A. Einstein
Thanks for posting this crotalus!
I'm always fascinated by Einstein's views on causality, behaviorism, religion, and God. He was after all, a genius. I'm not saying I agree with him, but I see some reasonable points that he presented.
And a note to the attackers in this thread. Religion is not above criticism. Crotalus just posted some information that some may find useful. Please add something to what Einstein said in a non personal manner. It would help to get solid discussions going again, and not personal attacks.
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Albert Einstein (1954)
May 16, 2008. Letter sold
at auction for $404,000.00
Translated here from the German
by Joan Stambaugh
... The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. These subtilized interpretations are highly manifold according to their nature and have almost nothing to do with the original text. For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are also no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything "chosen" about them.
In general I find it painful that you claim a privileged position and try to defend it by two walls of pride, an external one as a man and an internal one as a Jew. As a man you claim, so to speak, a dispensation from causality otherwise accepted; as a Jew the privilege of monotheism. But a limited causality is no longer a causality at all, as our wonderful Spinoza recognized with all incision, probably as the first one. And the animistic interpretations of the religions of nature are in principle not annulled by monopolization. With such walls we can only attain a certain self-deception, but our moral efforts are not furthered by them. On the contrary.
Now that I have quite openly stated our differences in intellectual convictions it is still clear to me that we are quite close to each other in essential things, ie in our evaluations of human behavior. What separates us are only intellectual "props" and "rationalization" in Freud's language. Therefore I think that we would understand each other quite well if we talked about concrete things.
With friendly thanks and best wishes.
Yours,
A. Einstein