Children in Ireland (27)

Jun 24, 2014 11:21 AM CST Children in Ireland
gcy1980
gcy1980gcy1980Galway, Ireland1 Threads 103 Posts
The controversy over children deaths in mother and baby homes has taken up quite a bit of air-time in Ireland over he last few weeks. People have responded with shock and are appalled at the situation that occurred. The Catholic Church has been the institution which has received most flack due to this. Th State and the citizens of Ireland have their scapegoat. It wasn't the States or the peoples fault...we were trapped by the power of the Catholic Church in those times. It won't happen again.
Why is it so that children in this country continue to die in State care? Why do vulnerable children continue to lack the necessary care in this country? Why do we find it acceptable that the most vulnerable families in our society are threatened with homelessness and live in abject poverty? Why do we find it acceptable to find the treatment of children in the past in this country to be horrific while sweeping the current problems under the carpet. Nothing has really changed in this country...who will we blame in 50 years for the treatment of our children like this?sad flower
Jun 24, 2014 11:25 AM CST Children in Ireland
pogo07
pogo07pogo07dubliin, Dublin Ireland4 Threads 74 Posts
Excellent point! You should write that into the national papers for publication, in the comments part of the tabloid.
Jun 24, 2014 11:30 AM CST Children in Ireland
Why is it so that children in this country continue to die in State care?
because nobody really cares about these children..if they had loving families so many of them wouldn't be dying or would they? many have addiction problems with drink and drugs and we all know the problems that causes..its a vicious circle of hopelessness for them..

Why do vulnerable children continue to lack the necessary care in this country?
funding..it all comes down to money

Why do we find it acceptable that the most vulnerable families in our society are threatened with homelessness and live in abject poverty?
you get nothing for nothing in this life..harsh as it may seem its the truth..how does 1 escape abject poverty? they work and work hard at that..that the only escape

Why do we find it acceptable to find the treatment of children in the past in this country to be horrific while sweeping the current problems under the carpet
Todays problems are no where near as bad as what they were all those years ago..its a different country today ireland
Jun 24, 2014 11:51 AM CST Children in Ireland
gcy1980
gcy1980gcy1980Galway, Ireland1 Threads 103 Posts
".....If you listen carefully, you will hear the brush, sweeping everything under the carpet. The Irish way...."sad flower

I found his quote in the comments section of an online publication...pretty apt.
Jun 24, 2014 2:07 PM CST Children in Ireland
martini100
martini100martini100wexford, Wexford Ireland19 Threads 2,158 Posts
gcy1980: Today's problems are certainly different than they were in the past. But they are just as bad. Children still die in care. They still don't receive the quality of care they need. The threat of homelessness is greater in Irish society now than at any time in the recent past. Huge numbers live below the poverty line. Successive budgets have led to greater inequality in our society....It's a different country alright but the objectives don't seem to have changed.



In 50 years it will be blamed on the Government!
Jun 24, 2014 2:20 PM CST Children in Ireland
peachmelba
peachmelbapeachmelbawexford, Wexford Ireland72 Threads 9,779 Posts
gcy1980: Today's problems are certainly different than they were in the past. But they are just as bad. Children still die in care. They still don't receive the quality of care they need. The threat of homelessness is greater in Irish society now than at any time in the recent past. Huge numbers live below the poverty line. Successive budgets have led to greater inequality in our society....It's a different country alright but the objectives don't seem to have changed.
vincent de Paul can't keep up with the demands it's stretching resources to the limit,now there is a new kind of poor whereby people phoning in not being able to afford the electric heating in keeping a family and trying to pay morguage while under immense pressure of just putting food on the table,people who worked most of their lives standing in dole ques .there is the proud lone parent mother and father that don't like to reach out Get help,
Jun 24, 2014 2:24 PM CST Children in Ireland
freeman65
freeman65freeman65Longford, Ireland373 Posts
Today's problems are certainly different than they were in the past. But they are just as bad. Children still die in care. They still don't receive the quality of care they need. The threat of homelessness is greater in Irish society now than at any time in the recent past. Huge numbers live below the poverty line. Successive budgets have led to greater inequality in our society....It's a different country alright but the objectives don't seem to have changed.


Not just in state care. Last weekend a young lad of 15 killed himself here. Sad to think he didn't believe there was one person he could confide in. Shame on us all.
Jun 24, 2014 2:47 PM CST Children in Ireland
peachmelba
peachmelbapeachmelbawexford, Wexford Ireland72 Threads 9,779 Posts
freeman65: Today's problems are certainly differentd than they were in the past. But they are just as bad. Children still die in care. They still don't receive the quality of care they need. The threat of homelessness is greater in Irish society now than at any time in the recent past. Huge numbers live below the poverty line. Successive budgets have led to greater inequality in our society....It's a different country alright but the objectives don't seem to have changed.Not just in state care. Last weekend a young lad of 15 killed himself here. Sad to think he didn't believe there was one person he could confide in. Shame on us all.
. The south east particular Wexford has the highest rate of suicide in Ireland,Waterford would be another,yes it's so sad that poor 15 year old boy,... My neice told me a girl in her school age 15 hung herself my neice ,said she was the life and soul of the party and showed no sighns of her being depressed,but they think this girl was a high achiever at subjects and she had always pushed herself to do well...there is a fine line between normality and insanity,because when a person is in that state mind they cannot be thinking logically.i do think it is time that young men and girls be encouraged to speak out,alot of it is conditioning whereby if a young male says he is down or depressed sometimes this is met worth ignorance of"oh man up sure your not living in dire straights with a family to keep bla bla bla,people's attitudes need to change,it's starts in the home,community,schools,workplace even,anti bullying procedures put in place in all work places and implemented,schools are finally taking note, there has to be that taboo of mental Heath attitudes changing,there is a place in my home town called its good to talk,anyone of us could find ourselves in a situation or our children,mental health is as vital to look after as well as a physical one,god people go to the doctors over a cold,
Jun 24, 2014 3:15 PM CST Children in Ireland
freeman65
freeman65freeman65Longford, Ireland373 Posts
. The south east particular Wexford has the highest rate of suicide in Ireland,Waterford would be another,yes it's so sad that poor 15 year old boy,... My neice told me a girl in her school age 15 hung herself my neice ,said she was the life and soul of the party and showed no sighns of her being depressed,but they think this girl was a high achiever at subjects and she had always pushed herself to do well...there is a fine line between normality and insanity,because when a person is in that state mind they cannot be thinking logically.i do think it is time that young men and girls be encouraged to speak out,alot of it is conditioning whereby if a young male says he is down or depressed sometimes this is met worth ignorance of"oh man up sure your not living in dire straights with a family to keep bla bla bla,people's attitudes need to change,it's starts in the home,community,schools,workplace even,anti bullying procedures put in place in all work places and implemented,schools are finally taking note, there has to be that taboo of mental Heath attitudes changing,there is a place in my home town called its good to talk,anyone of us could find ourselves in a situation or our children,mental health is as vital to look after as well as a physical one,god people go to the doctors over a cold,


Procedures etc are all very fine but what about us as individuals. If we cannot show our own vulnerabilities how can we expect our kids (youths) to believe that we can understand theirs.
Jun 24, 2014 3:16 PM CST Children in Ireland
peachmelba
peachmelbapeachmelbawexford, Wexford Ireland72 Threads 9,779 Posts
freeman65: . The south east particular Wexford has the highest rate of suicide in Ireland,Waterford would be another,yes it's so sad that poor 15 year old boy,... My neice told me a girl in her school age 15 hung herself my neice ,said she was the life and soul of the party and showed no sighns of her being depressed,but they think this girl was a high achiever at subjects and she had always pushed herself to do well...there is a fine line between normality and insanity,because when a person is in that state mind they cannot be thinking logically.i do think it is time that young men and girls be encouraged to speak out,alot of it is conditioning whereby if a young male says he is down or depressed sometimes this is met worth ignorance of"oh man up sure your not living in dire straights with a family to keep bla bla bla,people's attitudes need to change,it's starts in the home,community,schools,workplace even,anti bullying procedures put in place in all work places and implemented,schools are finally taking note, there has to be that taboo of mental Heath attitudes changing,there is a place in my home town called its good to talk,anyone of us could find ourselves in a situation or our children,mental health is as vital to look after as well as a physical one,god people go to the doctors over a cold,Procedures etc are all very fine but what about us as individuals. If we cannot show our own vulnerabilities how can we expect our kids (youths) to believe that we can understand theirs.
Jun 24, 2014 3:19 PM CST Children in Ireland
freeman65: If we cannot show our own vulnerabilities how can we expect our kids (youths) to believe that we can understand theirs.

That's a good point. And some that show mental problems are shunned by the community and those closest to them. And them same lads that are out every night of the week, drinking themselves further into the dark tunnel.... nobody wants to call the spade a spade... they'd rather say 'sure he's great craic, the life of the party'.
Jun 24, 2014 4:08 PM CST Children in Ireland
peachmelba
peachmelbapeachmelbawexford, Wexford Ireland72 Threads 9,779 Posts
In reply to freeman,I surely wasn't having a go at you freeman I was just saying about things when my son was a teen,...beer here have a pint if you want it,haha.....are you saying you were the boys coach the one that took his life,??
Jun 24, 2014 4:13 PM CST Children in Ireland
emerald888
emerald888emerald888wicklow, Wicklow Ireland2 Threads 1,054 Posts
A young chap by the name of JAMIE HARRINGTON.......Action persuits & prevention is having a march on July 5th @ Garden of Rememberance, Dublin. This young lad along with friends and followers are marching to remember those who have died through suicide. And are telling the government there sick and tired of all the cuts.......seems the kids are letting their voices be heard. ireland
Jun 24, 2014 4:25 PM CST Children in Ireland
freeman65
freeman65freeman65Longford, Ireland373 Posts
In reply to freeman,I surely wasn't having a go at you freeman I was just saying about things when my son was a teen,... here have a pint if you want it,haha.....are you saying you were the boys coach the one that took his life,



yes and the RESPECT was for you. Could we all be so open......
Rain check on the pint , right now I'd probably cry in it.
Jun 24, 2014 4:26 PM CST Children in Ireland
peachmelba
peachmelbapeachmelbawexford, Wexford Ireland72 Threads 9,779 Posts
emerald888: A young chap by the name of JAMIE HARRINGTON.......Action persuits & prevention is having a march on July 5th @ Garden of Rememberance, Dublin. This young lad along with friends and followers are marching to remember those who have died through suicide. And are telling the government there sick and tired of all the cuts.......seems the kids are letting their voices be heard.
yes it's a start indeed,there was a a cycle marathon also awhile ago,...it's encouraging , The societies grow and shine are in great supports systems also,..yes isn't it good to see more people are becoming aware,yes change for the better it's a start and young people speaking out getting up and doing something about it to raise awareness because people who are vunerable right now need others to help them and when a person is on the mend they in turn give back and help others to help themselves it' goes around,,,,alot of people suffer in silence and yes it's okay to be feel the way they are feeling and not be ashamed or afraid of speaking out it is not a weakness by any means to feel vunerable it can pass it can get better,yes it's okay to feel sad .
Jun 24, 2014 4:36 PM CST Children in Ireland
peachmelba
peachmelbapeachmelbawexford, Wexford Ireland72 Threads 9,779 Posts
freeman65: In reply to freeman,I surely wasn't having a go at you freeman I was just saying about things when my son was a teen,... here have a pint if you want it,haha.....are you saying you were the boys coach the one that took his life,
yes and the RESPECT was for you. Could we all be so open......
Rain check on the pint , right now I'd probably cry in it.
this is the saddest thing when a member of the family or friend has lost someone to suicide they think if only I could have prevented it,if only I had seen the sighns,alot of the time a person dosnt give anyone any doubt to question their mental state,...alot of the time a person has made their mind up and they may appear cheerful ,..the boys nearest and dearest may have not seen the sighns,if you talk to a relate councillor they will speak with you through this and they always listen in a non judgemental way,what your feeling is normal your putting alot of unnecessary guilt on your shoulders but your saying how you feel and not keeping it in it is good to talk,teddybear
Jun 24, 2014 4:41 PM CST Children in Ireland
emerald888
emerald888emerald888wicklow, Wicklow Ireland2 Threads 1,054 Posts
peachmelba: yes it's a start indeed,there was a a cycle marathon also awhile ago,...it's encouraging , The societies grow and shine are in great supports systems also,..yes isn't it good to see more people are becoming aware,yes change for the better it's a start and young people speaking out getting up and doing something about it to raise awareness because people who are vunerable right now need others to help them and when a person is on the mend they in turn give back and help others to help themselves it' goes around,,,,alot of people suffer in silence and yes it's okay to be feel the way they are feeling and not be ashamed or afraid of speaking out it is not a weakness by any means to feel vunerable it can pass it can get better,yes it's okay to feel sad .


It is great Peach, to see kids rallying together. , my 12 year old did the Darkness into light walk in Phoenix park recently with her grandmother, aunts and cousins. A great young girl she is, bless her. A couple of children in her school died from suicide.sad flower
Jun 24, 2014 4:51 PM CST Children in Ireland
peachmelba
peachmelbapeachmelbawexford, Wexford Ireland72 Threads 9,779 Posts
emerald888: It is great Peach, to see kids rallying together. , my 12 year old did the Darkness into light walk in Phoenix park recently with her grandmother, aunts and cousins. A great young girl she is, bless her. A couple of children in her school died from suicide.
you look so young to have a 12 year old, Ah I think young boys and girls are more aware today,my neice and her friends of 15 and 16 seem to be alot more understanding of things then even when my son was a teen,...your daughter and friends as young as they I say will grow up please god in a more compassionate society because there is more awareness,I know as young mother of a young child there are dangers out there but maybe it's becoming more of an open minded society which we live today,all we can do is our best,it's hard for an adult to understand why someone did what they did in tragic circumstances,sad flower maybe it will get me up to do something instead of talking about it and take a leaf out of your daughters book..good on her.thumbs up
Jun 24, 2014 4:57 PM CST Children in Ireland
peachmelba
peachmelbapeachmelbawexford, Wexford Ireland72 Threads 9,779 Posts
I'm tired typing emerald,phew I'm making loads mistakes,I meant to say you as a young mother with a young daughter,and you are a good influence on her too.,,,my fingers dropping off ,ha ill get some tea,listen to some music and take a break from the keyboard ,..I've flu,I think the whole country must know that by now,violin violin violin now an orchraster can't spell it,my brain gone to mush,..wave
Jun 24, 2014 5:00 PM CST Children in Ireland
emerald888
emerald888emerald888wicklow, Wicklow Ireland2 Threads 1,054 Posts
peachmelba: I'm tired typing emerald,phew I'm making loads mistakes,I meant to say you as a young mother with a young daughter,and you are a good influence on her too.,,,my fingers dropping off ,ha ill get some tea,listen to some music and take a break from the keyboard ,..I've flu,I think the whole country must know that by now, now an orchraster can't spell it,my brain gone to mush,..


Half a lemon, skin included, tablespoon honey, half glass of warm water, liguidise....you be grand in the morning. comfort
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