Etiquette, Has It Gone Too Far? (35)
annaroach: I don't judge Stanley, i accept people for what they are.
Live and let live is my motto
Live and let live is my motto
It annoys me when people in my company talk down to staff in restaurants, and I tell them so. To me, having to demonstrate power by bullying someone who is doing their job, says a lot about individual feelings of inadequacy.
Good manners cost nothing.
stanley8m: It annoys me when people in my company talk down to staff in restaurants, and I tell them so. To me, having to demonstrate power by bullying someone who is doing their job, says a lot about individual feelings of inadequacy.
Good manners cost nothing.
Good manners cost nothing.
Of course, and i agree totally with you.
They were very nice to the waiter / staff, huge tip etc lol
The conversation was just among themselves.
I also would have displayed my disapproval if it was otherwise.
annaroach: Of course, and i agree totally with you.
They were very nice to the waiter / staff, huge tip etc lol
The conversation was just among themselves.
I also would have displayed my disapproval if it was otherwise.
They were very nice to the waiter / staff, huge tip etc lol
The conversation was just among themselves.
I also would have displayed my disapproval if it was otherwise.
That is good to know, but my point is, if they were not happy with the waiter referring to them in an informal manner, does that demonstrate they want the staff to treat them as superiors?
Furthermore, it would suggest, they wanted to force the waiter to assume an insubordinate role. Just my take.
stanley8m: It annoys me when people in my company talk down to staff in restaurants, and I tell them so. To me, having to demonstrate power by bullying someone who is doing their job, says a lot about individual feelings of inadequacy.
Good manners cost nothing.
Good manners cost nothing.
I have never been in the company of anyone being nasty to staff in restaurants, but fair play to you for standing up for them, like you say,
"good manners cost nothing"
some people need to get over themselves
stanley8m: If they had started that in my company, I would have agreed that it is so hard to find good staff nowadays, and reminisce about the good old days when staff bowing and referring to the customer in terms of "Yes Sir, Massah, You is the boss Sir" was in vogue.
I would have loved it if you had been , in that case,, early bath i think lol stanley8m: If they had started that in my company, I would have agreed that it is so hard to find good staff nowadays, and reminisce about the good old days when staff bowing and referring to the customer in terms of "Yes Sir, Massah, You is the boss Sir" was in vogue.
Seriously though Stanley , hasn't it always been thus,
It is this percieved class distinction thing, have people learned anything.
annaroach: I would have loved it if you had been , in that case,, early bath i think lol
Do you know the "early bath" Expression, Stanley?
annaroach: Seriously though Stanley , hasn't it always been thus,
It is this percieved class distinction thing, have people learned anything.
It is this percieved class distinction thing, have people learned anything.
Hi Anna/Stanley,
I agree, some people do have a superiority complex, whether they show it outwardly by being rude, or do it like those 'gents'.
Sometimes I wonder if the former is not better. It is certainly more honest and straightforward.
But maybe they should take a leaf out of Einstein's book:
“I speak to everyone in the same way, whether he is the garbage man or the president of the university.”
mollybaby: Hi Anna/Stanley,
I agree, some people do have a superiority complex, whether they show it outwardly by being rude, or do it like those 'gents'.
Sometimes I wonder if the former is not better. It is certainly more honest and straightforward.
But maybe they should take a leaf out of Einstein's book:
“I speak to everyone in the same way, whether he is the garbage man or the president of the university.”
I agree, some people do have a superiority complex, whether they show it outwardly by being rude, or do it like those 'gents'.
Sometimes I wonder if the former is not better. It is certainly more honest and straightforward.
But maybe they should take a leaf out of Einstein's book:
“I speak to everyone in the same way, whether he is the garbage man or the president of the university.”
I like that Einstein Quote, and hope that would be with respect to both.
annaroach: I like that Einstein Quote, and hope that would be with respect to both.
One would hope.
But even if not, at least both are on an equal footing
mollybaby: One would hope.
But even if not, at least both are on an equal footing
But even if not, at least both are on an equal footing
Agreed!!
annaroach: I would love to know peoples opinions on this . I was recently invited to lunch with 2 men and a lady.
It was all going very nicely, and was enjoyable.
The waiter came over and asked , "Is everything all right Guys"
To which we replied, yes.
One of the men said, he didn't like being reffered to as guys,
he thought it was too familiar, other guy agreed.
I said , " would you not think that he was just trying to be friendly and welcoming, as we Irish have that reputation, and it was part of our culture", sorry to be so long winded.
My question is as above,, has this all gone too far?
PC has certainly gone too far. You cant even call a homo a "Queer" any more or throw bananas at them.It was all going very nicely, and was enjoyable.
The waiter came over and asked , "Is everything all right Guys"
To which we replied, yes.
One of the men said, he didn't like being reffered to as guys,
he thought it was too familiar, other guy agreed.
I said , " would you not think that he was just trying to be friendly and welcoming, as we Irish have that reputation, and it was part of our culture", sorry to be so long winded.
My question is as above,, has this all gone too far?
annaroach: I would love to know peoples opinions on this . I was recently invited to lunch with 2 men and a lady.
It was all going very nicely, and was enjoyable.
The waiter came over and asked , "Is everything all right Guys"
To which we replied, yes.
One of the men said, he didn't like being reffered to as guys,
he thought it was too familiar, other guy agreed.
I said , " would you not think that he was just trying to be friendly and welcoming, as we Irish have that reputation, and it was part of our culture", sorry to be so long winded.
My question is as above,, has this all gone too far?
PC has certainly gone too far. You cant even call a homo a "Queer" any more or throw bananas at them.It was all going very nicely, and was enjoyable.
The waiter came over and asked , "Is everything all right Guys"
To which we replied, yes.
One of the men said, he didn't like being reffered to as guys,
he thought it was too familiar, other guy agreed.
I said , " would you not think that he was just trying to be friendly and welcoming, as we Irish have that reputation, and it was part of our culture", sorry to be so long winded.
My question is as above,, has this all gone too far?
Ive often been out to lunch and you get this young bubbly waitress coming up saying are ye guys ready to order yet, ive never taken any guy to lunch yet jayus i cringe when they say that, could they not say are ye folks ready to order 
we do live in Paddyland after all not the states ,have a nice day you guys
we do live in Paddyland after all not the states ,have a nice day you guys annaroach: I would love to know peoples opinions on this . I was recently invited to lunch with 2 men and a lady.
It was all going very nicely, and was enjoyable.
The waiter came over and asked , "Is everything all right Guys"
To which we replied, yes.
One of the men said, he didn't like being reffered to as guys,
he thought it was too familiar, other guy agreed.
I said , " would you not think that he was just trying to be friendly and welcoming, as we Irish have that reputation, and it was part of our culture", sorry to be so long winded.
My question is as above,, has this all gone too far?
It was all going very nicely, and was enjoyable.
The waiter came over and asked , "Is everything all right Guys"
To which we replied, yes.
One of the men said, he didn't like being reffered to as guys,
he thought it was too familiar, other guy agreed.
I said , " would you not think that he was just trying to be friendly and welcoming, as we Irish have that reputation, and it was part of our culture", sorry to be so long winded.
My question is as above,, has this all gone too far?
Etiquette in our society is changing. In some ways good and others bad. I always hold a door for a woman...I always shake hands when I meet someone new or someone I haven't seen for a while...I always say "Please and Thank You" when been served in a shop or other places...I try never to interrupt someone talking...I don't eat in public places where eating doesn't usually occur...arrive on time...dress appropriately for different situations...
I think these are simple things that respect others...Relating to the restaurant incident you brought up, I think that it depends on the context. If the context is one which is formal, I think using the word "guys" wouldn't be appropriate. I think it is all about context and the two lads with you probably missed that...
mjpd67: Ive often been out to lunch and you get this young bubbly waitress coming up saying are ye guys ready to order yet, ive never taken any guy to lunch yet jayus i cringe when they say that, could they not say are ye folks ready to order we do live in Paddyland after all not the states ,have a nice day you guys
'Folks' is more Irish than 'guys' ??
mollybaby: 'Folks' is more Irish than 'guys' ??
well they could say are ye yokes ready to order 
mjpd67: well they could say are ye yokes ready to order
Or simply, "Are you ready to order?"
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I was recently invited to lunch with 2 men and a lady.
It was all going very nicely, and was enjoyable.
The waiter came over and asked , "Is everything all right Guys"
To which we replied, yes.
One of the men said, he didn't like being reffered to as guys,
he thought it was too familiar, other guy agreed.
I said , " would you not think that he was just trying to be friendly and welcoming, as we Irish have that reputation, and it was part of our culture", sorry to be so long winded.
My question is as above,, has this all gone too far?