Read an interesting article and got me thinking. (23)
Martia: The article featured Pedophilia and the Clergy' it posed the question that because there was quite a high rate of p*dophile in that calling' do they join the Priesthood to try and remove themselves from those feelings or join up because of them.
I would be interested to hear your thoughts on it.
could be a case of "when in Rome , do as the Romans do .I would be interested to hear your thoughts on it.
What a difficult question?
All I know is that so many peoples' lives have been destroyed by the despicable acts and cruelty that were inflicted upon them by these men.
And all the covering up and secrecy surrounding it for all those years, the only brief ray of hope and recovery being that it's now common knowledge that these things DID happen and people are continuing to come forward.
How many still suffer in silence though
All I know is that so many peoples' lives have been destroyed by the despicable acts and cruelty that were inflicted upon them by these men.
And all the covering up and secrecy surrounding it for all those years, the only brief ray of hope and recovery being that it's now common knowledge that these things DID happen and people are continuing to come forward.
How many still suffer in silence though
Martia: The article featured Pedophilia and the Clergy' it posed the question that because there was quite a high rate of p*dophile in that calling' do they join the Priesthood to try and remove themselves from those feelings or join up because of them.
I would be interested to hear your thoughts on it.
I would be interested to hear your thoughts on it.
maybe it's a case of "god will protect me" - however, in my opinion
I would say that there is some that use the priesthood to gain access to children .. yes...
If priest were allowed to marry I wonder if these acts would have still happened.
Nature123: If priest were allowed to marry I wonder if these acts would have still happened.
Think the only people that can answer that nature123 are the priests themselves??
Married men outside of the priesthood have committed acts against children so I guess that kinda answers that?
Any adult knows that it is wrong to hurt/harm a child in any way, most people's natural reaction is to help a child who is harmed in any way, falling off a bike, in a fight etc. But peadophiles don't have that in them, they don't even acknowledge the harm they have done sometimes. They see themselves giving a child 'love' - again
Martia: The article featured Pedophilia and the Clergy' it posed the question that because there was quite a high rate of p*dophile in that calling' do they join the Priesthood to try and remove themselves from those feelings or join up because of them.
I would be interested to hear your thoughts on it.
I would be interested to hear your thoughts on it.
More to the point, I wish there was no celebacy, its def not natural.. and whether it contributes to p*dophile I dont know, but the only certain thing is...
Its not natural to repress feelings... stupid in fact...
Newlife08: Think the only people that can answer that nature123 are the priests themselves??
Married men outside of the priesthood have committed acts against children so I guess that kinda answers that?
Any adult knows that it is wrong to hurt/harm a child in any way, most people's natural reaction is to help a child who is harmed in any way, falling off a bike, in a fight etc. But peadophiles don't have that in them, they don't even acknowledge the harm they have done sometimes. They see themselves giving a child 'love' - again
Married men outside of the priesthood have committed acts against children so I guess that kinda answers that?
Any adult knows that it is wrong to hurt/harm a child in any way, most people's natural reaction is to help a child who is harmed in any way, falling off a bike, in a fight etc. But peadophiles don't have that in them, they don't even acknowledge the harm they have done sometimes. They see themselves giving a child 'love' - again
I was answering the thread in question, and I do know it happens in every day life not the in the church.and it's not just men that do it,, it's women as well.
I just feel sorry for any child that is abused in any way,
Merriweather: Wash,
Running from this issue is not advisable... Stay there and see it through... It will be fine...
Running from this issue is not advisable... Stay there and see it through... It will be fine...
I have not run on the complaint. Managed to stick it through and happy that it is "not justified." It has affected me a lot over the last 2 months (yeah, it has taken a lot out of me). Good to get the "not justified" bit, but the "better communication" bit still has me baffled.
If he can't or doesn't appear to hear me and I raise my voice, I am in trouble.
If I don't raise my voice for him to hear me, I am in trouble.
If I write down our conversations and forward them to him, I am in trouble because I am not sympathetic to his disability and treat him differently to those that do not have the same disability.
Lots of people advocate the Win-Win situations and so many people advocate that that is what we should aim for. In reality, not everyone gets what they want/demand.
Lived in Ballarat in the nineties for 4 years, a family on the next property was very friendly with the local Catholic Priest he was at their home quite a bit... this family had seven children and had recently lost their mother in a car accident' a few years later after we had returned to Tas read in the paper this very priest was up on pedophilia charges and was convicted.
It made me feel sick to my stomach with What If.
It made me feel sick to my stomach with What If.
wash2u: I have not run on the complaint. Managed to stick it through and happy that it is "not justified." It has affected me a lot over the last 2 months (yeah, it has taken a lot out of me). Good to get the "not justified" bit, but the "better communication" bit still has me baffled.
If he can't or doesn't appear to hear me and I raise my voice, I am in trouble.
If I don't raise my voice for him to hear me, I am in trouble.
If I write down our conversations and forward them to him, I am in trouble because I am not sympathetic to his disability and treat him differently to those that do not have the same disability.
Lots of people advocate the Win-Win situations and so many people advocate that that is what we should aim for. In reality, not everyone gets what they want/demand.
If he can't or doesn't appear to hear me and I raise my voice, I am in trouble.
If I don't raise my voice for him to hear me, I am in trouble.
If I write down our conversations and forward them to him, I am in trouble because I am not sympathetic to his disability and treat him differently to those that do not have the same disability.
Lots of people advocate the Win-Win situations and so many people advocate that that is what we should aim for. In reality, not everyone gets what they want/demand.
Never has a saying been more apt Wash' Damned if do Damned if dont... a rotten situation to be put in.
wash2u: I have not run on the complaint. Managed to stick it through and happy that it is "not justified." It has affected me a lot over the last 2 months (yeah, it has taken a lot out of me). Good to get the "not justified" bit, but the "better communication" bit still has me baffled.
If he can't or doesn't appear to hear me and I raise my voice, I am in trouble.
If I don't raise my voice for him to hear me, I am in trouble.
If I write down our conversations and forward them to him, I am in trouble because I am not sympathetic to his disability and treat him differently to those that do not have the same disability.
Lots of people advocate the Win-Win situations and so many people advocate that that is what we should aim for. In reality, not everyone gets what they want/demand.
If he can't or doesn't appear to hear me and I raise my voice, I am in trouble.
If I don't raise my voice for him to hear me, I am in trouble.
If I write down our conversations and forward them to him, I am in trouble because I am not sympathetic to his disability and treat him differently to those that do not have the same disability.
Lots of people advocate the Win-Win situations and so many people advocate that that is what we should aim for. In reality, not everyone gets what they want/demand.
maybe work out between the both of you a visual cue that you would like to talk to him?
It certainly wouldnt be easy in a work situation if someone wants to make an issue out of it
Dad has been going deaf for years and it is natural for me to "throw" my voice when I am with him. Not actually raising my voice but speaking from deeper in the chest so it has more resonance. Still doesnt help at times coz the old sod just loves making you repeat something even if he has heard it the first time!
Martia: The article featured Pedophilia and the Clergy' it posed the question that because there was quite a high rate of p*dophile in that calling' do they join the Priesthood to try and remove themselves from those feelings or join up because of them.
I would be interested to hear your thoughts on it.
I would be interested to hear your thoughts on it.
Its a loaded question Martia. Come out in support and you get labelled a possible molester, Come out against, And your either hiding something or prejudging the clergy.
leaves one wondering what boots to put on.
AgentAjax: And the rest of the church is guilty because they didn’t remove them but let it go on. We’ve only heard the voice of the living but what about the ones long gone. Catholic Church has been around now for almost 1800 years now.
Because the Church did not stamp it out a long time ago that stigma will always remain as the damage done to their image is irretrievable! in their arrogance they thought they were untouchable.
The Church(es) were more interested in protecting themselves, their wealth, their 'brand', their so called standing in society than protecting the innocent victims and righting the wrongs. 
At least these days things are more open, people question, we don't automatically trust certain people, situations that we used to??
Some progress has been made but that is not much consolation for the people who have grown up with those awful experiences and are now maybe drug users, alcoholics, violent or abusive, not able to form relationships or have mental health issues??
At least these days things are more open, people question, we don't automatically trust certain people, situations that we used to??
Some progress has been made but that is not much consolation for the people who have grown up with those awful experiences and are now maybe drug users, alcoholics, violent or abusive, not able to form relationships or have mental health issues??
Then we have the DH's who head over to Asia to exploit kids using their parents greed
Martia: Ok Looking the floor is yours so get threading.
nah should'nt have opened me mouth then
was just venting 
Lookin4missright: nah should'nt have opened me mouth then was just venting
Hmmm just had a look at all the threads on here and was wondering why you picked on my particular thread to attack.
I think it would be wonderful for some of you that are single to try and get together' really Looking I see that there are some on here that would get on like a house on fire but because of distance ect it cannot be'it is such a shame because of the wide choice of threads you can really tell what type of people they are and what their values are in life,in fact Looking if you think about it I bet it would be hard to find a more decent and kind group of people anywhere.JMO
AgentAjax: I agree with you, there are many that hold the public trust but there is only one that uses god as a seal of approval.
um I may be wrong but, doesnt/didnt the Scouting/Guiding use religion as a tool as well?
I know of many boys who have been exposed to things that shouldnt have happened through scouts.
I have also known of teachers to use "god" as a defence/threat to keep silence.
There is more than one causative factor here, it isnt just the church that uses "god" as a seal of approval. Its just the church gets more publicity as it is over a wider area and a larger target and.. more people like to use it as an axe to grind...
I am not defending the church/es but just reminding not to fixate on one portion of a much larger problem than is generally seen
Martia: Hi looking have you noticed that my gentle nudge to you was just a Hmmm' Now if I had taken offence it would have been a bloody big shove as you well know, I just answered back in the spirit that it was given you silly sausage.
oh ok i'm a big Polish sausage then
ps, if you did'nt take offence
who took it then
bloody animals will get out
get it? >>> offence... afence
ok
love you
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I would be interested to hear your thoughts on it.