Public Housing in Queensland (58)
The answer to that is they will be forced out into the private rental market just like my son has.
There is a 15 year waiting list for public housing in NSW, a chronic and disgraceful shortage, and he is barely keeping his head above water.
There is a 15 year waiting list for public housing in NSW, a chronic and disgraceful shortage, and he is barely keeping his head above water.
serene56: The answer to that is they will be forced out into the private rental market just like my son has.
There is a 15 year waiting list for public housing in NSW, a chronic and disgraceful shortage, and he is barely keeping his head above water.
There is a 15 year waiting list for public housing in NSW, a chronic and disgraceful shortage, and he is barely keeping his head above water.
Maybe if this GFC continues the State/Fed Govt could kick start the construction industry by pumping money into more Public Housing aimed at the singles?? Somebody should have had the foresight to see that all those families in 3 bed + places would one day find themselves alone and if there is nowhere suitable for them to go then they don't want to move??
Newlife08: Maybe if this GFC continues the State/Fed Govt could kick start the construction industry by pumping money into more Public Housing aimed at the singles?? Somebody should have had the foresight to see that all those families in 3 bed + places would one day find themselves alone and if there is nowhere suitable for them to go then they don't want to move??
He can't get a foot in the door while there are families living in cars and using public toilets for showering and washing, the situation is abysmal and a very sore point with me.
Newlife08: Maybe if this GFC continues the State/Fed Govt could kick start the construction industry by pumping money into more Public Housing aimed at the singles?? Somebody should have had the foresight to see that all those families in 3 bed + places would one day find themselves alone and if there is nowhere suitable for them to go then they don't want to move??
Many years ago, there was a piece in the papers about the poor man about to the 4 bedroom Housing Commission home he had lived in for a lot of his adult life. Raised his family there and he did not want to move from the family home. I very much understand this, even talked my mother into staying where she was in the family home (owned, not HC) she had lived in for 50 years. Also, because of what my sister offered her in a single bedroom, no drinking, no smoking and no "boyfriends").
Back to the 4-bed HC home. It turned out that he didn't like the cold in Sydney and headed off every winter to Harvey Bay for 6 months in his 30 foot caravan. House was rented out to 3 other people and he received $300+ a week in rent. He paid $20 per week to HC because he was on a pension for the last 30 years.
I understand his feelings for the "Family Home" but he was profiting from the HC rent and was objecting to the increases the HC proposed because of "Total Household Income" meant they wanted to put his rent up.
wash2u: You sound too much like a "Liberal" to ever get a vote in the next election.
I have been one of those Aussies who believed in the dream of "owning my own home" and seen so may HC hard done by people who complain because of they are "unfairly" had rent increase.
Bloody hard when you have a 2 yo Landcruiser to tow your 50' caravan for your holidays to FNQ, or it costs mega-bucks to pay the rates on your holiday home, and the HC expects you to pay more than $20 per week when you are on holidays.
I have been one of those Aussies who believed in the dream of "owning my own home" and seen so may HC hard done by people who complain because of they are "unfairly" had rent increase.
Bloody hard when you have a 2 yo Landcruiser to tow your 50' caravan for your holidays to FNQ, or it costs mega-bucks to pay the rates on your holiday home, and the HC expects you to pay more than $20 per week when you are on holidays.
Im noway a liberal, I see the single 60 yr old living in a 3 bdrm HC when there are new single units available , here atm they have a choice most dont and the lists for families get longer , women stay in DV situations because they wont see themselves & kids homeless, cause if they do their kids can be removed !!!Just because youve lived somewhener for years doesnt mean its yours , I rented all my life I had to move for many reasons get over it If it isnt yours then you have to suck it up and move Kids need homes where they have a yard and feel secure !!!D
wash2u: You sound too much like a "Liberal" to ever get a vote in the next election.
I have been one of those Aussies who believed in the dream of "owning my own home" and seen so may HC hard done by people who complain because of they are "unfairly" had rent increase.
Bloody hard when you have a 2 yo Landcruiser to tow your 50' caravan for your holidays to FNQ, or it costs mega-bucks to pay the rates on your holiday home, and the HC expects you to pay more than $20 per week when you are on holidays.
I have been one of those Aussies who believed in the dream of "owning my own home" and seen so may HC hard done by people who complain because of they are "unfairly" had rent increase.
Bloody hard when you have a 2 yo Landcruiser to tow your 50' caravan for your holidays to FNQ, or it costs mega-bucks to pay the rates on your holiday home, and the HC expects you to pay more than $20 per week when you are on holidays.
Dont they have a means test to be eligible for HC homes'and of
course they means test every couple of years and check who is living in the houses ...........surely they do DONT THEY.
A H.C. home is just another form of a self imposed poverty trap.
Putting yourself into that scenario only means you'll never move on in life to afford your own home or private rental.
The sole pension is a great example of getting yourself into a comfort zone of self imposed poverty.
The only way to break out of that is to put the kids in child care, get a partner and buy a home together so that your housing costs eventually fall below inflation while you watch the rentals around continue to rise with inflation.
Putting yourself into that scenario only means you'll never move on in life to afford your own home or private rental.
The sole pension is a great example of getting yourself into a comfort zone of self imposed poverty.
The only way to break out of that is to put the kids in child care, get a partner and buy a home together so that your housing costs eventually fall below inflation while you watch the rentals around continue to rise with inflation.
I know some people who are in H/ C. They both work,have 2 children only young.
Kids go to day care 5 days a week.they pay $180 per week on rent,$465 per week on child care,then they have rego,only one car,power,gas,and food. So how in the hell are they to get up to a standard that some of you expect people to be at. For goodness sakes wake up all you dreamers there are people out there that try their hardest to get ahead put still get put down my people like ( some on here)
My son went to day care 5 days a week and one of the other kids mum was a doctor dad was a plumber,they were in private rental $290 per week her day care fess were $520 per week and they found it very hard to servive on 2 wages so does that put them in the same class as the ones living in H/C. Open your dam eyes things are not always as clear cut as you may think. Wonder what class yous would put me under.
Kids go to day care 5 days a week.they pay $180 per week on rent,$465 per week on child care,then they have rego,only one car,power,gas,and food. So how in the hell are they to get up to a standard that some of you expect people to be at. For goodness sakes wake up all you dreamers there are people out there that try their hardest to get ahead put still get put down my people like ( some on here)
My son went to day care 5 days a week and one of the other kids mum was a doctor dad was a plumber,they were in private rental $290 per week her day care fess were $520 per week and they found it very hard to servive on 2 wages so does that put them in the same class as the ones living in H/C. Open your dam eyes things are not always as clear cut as you may think. Wonder what class yous would put me under.
Nature123: I know some people who are in H/ C. They both work,have 2 children only young.
Kids go to day care 5 days a week.they pay $180 per week on rent,$465 per week on child care,then they have rego,only one car,power,gas,and food. So how in the hell are they to get up to a standard that some of you expect people to be at. For goodness sakes wake up all you dreamers there are people out there that try their hardest to get ahead put still get put down my people like ( some on here)
My son went to day care 5 days a week and one of the other kids mum was a doctor dad was a plumber,they were in private rental $290 per week her day care fess were $520 per week and they found it very hard to servive on 2 wages so does that put them in the same class as the ones living in H/C. Open your dam eyes things are not always as clear cut as you may think. Wonder what class yous would put me under.
Everybody has different circumstances, there are books you can read, I highly recommend "Rich Dad Poor Dad" where he mentions the poor dad says to buy the new Club Sport Commodore or new V8 something etc... while the Rich dad says to pay cash (say $3,000) for a sub 200,000ks car. The main thing behind the books message is not to use credit other than to buy assets and resist the need to buy liabilities that tax your finances.Kids go to day care 5 days a week.they pay $180 per week on rent,$465 per week on child care,then they have rego,only one car,power,gas,and food. So how in the hell are they to get up to a standard that some of you expect people to be at. For goodness sakes wake up all you dreamers there are people out there that try their hardest to get ahead put still get put down my people like ( some on here)
My son went to day care 5 days a week and one of the other kids mum was a doctor dad was a plumber,they were in private rental $290 per week her day care fess were $520 per week and they found it very hard to servive on 2 wages so does that put them in the same class as the ones living in H/C. Open your dam eyes things are not always as clear cut as you may think. Wonder what class yous would put me under.
It's too bad they don't teach this stuff in schools.
daggyone: Everybody has different circumstances, there are books you can read, I highly recommend "Rich Dad Poor Dad" where he mentions the poor dad says to buy the new Club Sport Commodore or new V8 something etc... while the Rich dad says to pay cash (say $3,000) for a sub 200,000ks car. The main thing behind the books message is not to use credit other than to buy assets and resist the need to buy liabilities that tax your finances.
It's too bad they don't teach this stuff in schools.
It's too bad they don't teach this stuff in schools.
Hey daggs, I don't use credit at all,pay cash for everything.prepaid Internet,phone,
If I don't have enough money to pay cash simply wait until I do.
Nature123: I know some people who are in H/ C. They both work,have 2 children only young.
Kids go to day care 5 days a week.they pay $180 per week on rent,$465 per week on child care,then they have rego,only one car,power,gas,and food. So how in the hell are they to get up to a standard that some of you expect people to be at. For goodness sakes wake up all you dreamers there are people out there that try their hardest to get ahead put still get put down my people like ( some on here)
My son went to day care 5 days a week and one of the other kids mum was a doctor dad was a plumber,they were in private rental $290 per week her day care fess were $520 per week and they found it very hard to servive on 2 wages so does that put them in the same class as the ones living in H/C. Open your dam eyes things are not always as clear cut as you may think. Wonder what class yous would put me under.
For a start if they both work they should be on at least $1500.00 pw,Even if their out going s are $1000.00 a week they could still save !!! As for your doctor & plumber friend ...please if they cant survive on those wages there obviously substance abusers or gamblers !Kids go to day care 5 days a week.they pay $180 per week on rent,$465 per week on child care,then they have rego,only one car,power,gas,and food. So how in the hell are they to get up to a standard that some of you expect people to be at. For goodness sakes wake up all you dreamers there are people out there that try their hardest to get ahead put still get put down my people like ( some on here)
My son went to day care 5 days a week and one of the other kids mum was a doctor dad was a plumber,they were in private rental $290 per week her day care fess were $520 per week and they found it very hard to servive on 2 wages so does that put them in the same class as the ones living in H/C. Open your dam eyes things are not always as clear cut as you may think. Wonder what class yous would put me under.
kizzy27: For a start if they both work they should be on at least $1500.00 pw,Even if their out going s are $1000.00 a week they could still save !!! As for your doctor & plumber friend ...please if they cant survive on those wages there obviously substance abusers or gamblers !
Of course they must be obviously substance abusers or gamblers.
Absolutely no other reason.
You see kissy I only told part of their life and of cause you had to jump in there and down them straight away.
But hey that's ok, we all have our own opinion.
I have never lived in govt. housing, so I wont comment, except to say, I heard from a very good authority that here in SA, the govt sold off a lot of their houses lately.
I think they are attempting to reduce the amount of houses they own, whether they plan to build newies or not... I dont know.
But, I am guessing that if houses need maintaining, and the govt. are cutting costs.. and the rentals they receive from the houses they have, do not cover maintenance costs... then clearly the idea would be to remove their spiralling costs.... and prolly force people into the open market.
That is just economics...
So for those who need to live in govt. houses, they sure get it good.
No rates, no house and content insurance, if something breaks or leaks, its fixed, no water charges, all those bills that I pay... and because the house is nOt owner occupied, they tend to not spend on garden, driveways, retaining walls etc... so its really cheap... compared to owning a home...
So I am thinking... am I the mug ???
I think they are attempting to reduce the amount of houses they own, whether they plan to build newies or not... I dont know.
But, I am guessing that if houses need maintaining, and the govt. are cutting costs.. and the rentals they receive from the houses they have, do not cover maintenance costs... then clearly the idea would be to remove their spiralling costs.... and prolly force people into the open market.
That is just economics...
So for those who need to live in govt. houses, they sure get it good.
No rates, no house and content insurance, if something breaks or leaks, its fixed, no water charges, all those bills that I pay... and because the house is nOt owner occupied, they tend to not spend on garden, driveways, retaining walls etc... so its really cheap... compared to owning a home...
So I am thinking... am I the mug ???
Merriweather: I have never lived in govt. housing, so I wont comment, except to say, I heard from a very good authority that here in SA, the govt sold off a lot of their houses lately.
I think they are attempting to reduce the amount of houses they own, whether they plan to build newies or not... I dont know.
But, I am guessing that if houses need maintaining, and the govt. are cutting costs.. and the rentals they receive from the houses they have, do not cover maintenance costs... then clearly the idea would be to remove their spiralling costs.... and prolly force people into the open market.
That is just economics...
So for those who need to live in govt. houses, they sure get it good.
No rates, no house and content insurance, if something breaks or leaks, its fixed, no water charges, all those bills that I pay... and because the house is nOt owner occupied, they tend to not spend on garden, driveways, retaining walls etc... so its really cheap... compared to owning a home...
So I am thinking... am I the mug ???
I think they are attempting to reduce the amount of houses they own, whether they plan to build newies or not... I dont know.
But, I am guessing that if houses need maintaining, and the govt. are cutting costs.. and the rentals they receive from the houses they have, do not cover maintenance costs... then clearly the idea would be to remove their spiralling costs.... and prolly force people into the open market.
That is just economics...
So for those who need to live in govt. houses, they sure get it good.
No rates, no house and content insurance, if something breaks or leaks, its fixed, no water charges, all those bills that I pay... and because the house is nOt owner occupied, they tend to not spend on garden, driveways, retaining walls etc... so its really cheap... compared to owning a home...
So I am thinking... am I the mug ???
I don't necessarily agree with the view that people living in public housing get it good - financially speaking, yes definitely - but my mother's experiences for example were far from good.
On an aged pension, she found herself placed in accommodation with neighbours who were incredibly noisy, some with large families and many young children, and people coming and going at all hours of the night.
In her latter years, she was finally placed in a small unit surrounded by others of her own age and got some peace at last.
At least if you are able to rent privately as I do, you can move on whenever it suits.
serene56: I don't necessarily agree with the view that people living in public housing get it good - financially speaking, yes definitely - but my mother's experiences for example were far from good.
On an aged pension, she found herself placed in accommodation with neighbours who were incredibly noisy, some with large families and many young children, and people coming and going at all hours of the night.
In her latter years, she was finally placed in a small unit surrounded by others of her own age and got some peace at last.
At least if you are able to rent privately as I do, you can move on whenever it suits.
On an aged pension, she found herself placed in accommodation with neighbours who were incredibly noisy, some with large families and many young children, and people coming and going at all hours of the night.
In her latter years, she was finally placed in a small unit surrounded by others of her own age and got some peace at last.
At least if you are able to rent privately as I do, you can move on whenever it suits.
Serene, I am so sorry, I never thought about that aspect..around your mother living next to families with noise etc.. .
I was just thinking of all the bills that I pay, when I have a friend who lives in public housing, and he earns more than twice my wage, but when I mentioned to him about rates, water rates, levy, insurance etc.. he said he doesn't know how I do it...
Neither do I sometimes...
But where I live its very quiet and peaceful, however, when the neighbors do make noise as in have a Friday and Sat party, I sort of like it, as it makes me feel less alone...
but its an infrequent thing, usually in the summer months...
Merriweather: So Kizzy, what is your anwer to those that have a family home, but are single, But, also have their children come stay for whatever the arrangements are - a weekend, a week. etc.. those from broken families..??
Do the kids have to all bunk in the lounge on the floor??? or do those people get to keep a family sized home for when their brood come to stay??
Do the kids have to all bunk in the lounge on the floor??? or do those people get to keep a family sized home for when their brood come to stay??
Hi Merri, If single people have shared custody they generally will be conciderations , what i dont agree with is three & four bdrm homes with 1 person living in it !If their Brood has grown up and left the nest then its time to hand it over to someone who is just starting out.Maybee these "houso hogs' should think back to when they got their chance at subsidied rent and somewhere to raise their family and remember for a minute that their are others 31,000 of them waiting for their turn!!!
Merriweather: Serene, I am so sorry, I never thought about that aspect..around your mother living next to families with noise etc.. .
I was just thinking of all the bills that I pay, when I have a friend who lives in public housing, and he earns more than twice my wage, but when I mentioned to him about rates, water rates, levy, insurance etc.. he said he doesn't know how I do it...
Neither do I sometimes...
But where I live its very quiet and peaceful, however, when the neighbors do make noise as in have a Friday and Sat party, I sort of like it, as it makes me feel less alone...
but its an infrequent thing, usually in the summer months...
I was just thinking of all the bills that I pay, when I have a friend who lives in public housing, and he earns more than twice my wage, but when I mentioned to him about rates, water rates, levy, insurance etc.. he said he doesn't know how I do it...
Neither do I sometimes...
But where I live its very quiet and peaceful, however, when the neighbors do make noise as in have a Friday and Sat party, I sort of like it, as it makes me feel less alone...
but its an infrequent thing, usually in the summer months...
Oh that's ok merri, hope you didn't take my post the wrong way
It's just that public housing can be far less than ideal for a lot of people, but they have no choice if that's all they can afford.
What interests me is how your friend is eligible for it if he earns so much
kizzy27: Hi Merri, If single people have shared custody they generally will be conciderations , what i dont agree with is three & four bdrm homes with 1 person living in it !If their Brood has grown up and left the nest then its time to hand it over to someone who is just starting out.Maybee these "houso hogs' should think back to when they got their chance at subsidied rent and somewhere to raise their family and remember for a minute that their are others 31,000 of them waiting for their turn!!!
Kizzy, hi ah,
In a perfect world, your logic is sound, but its not a perfect world. Some people stay in that particular govt. handout mentality for years... some dont even aspire to own their own.
So all that being the case, we cannot make people be who they are not, and see what they have never been taught..
So I just let it all be.. and focus on myself, my priorities, and let live...
serene56: Oh that's ok merri, hope you didn't take my post the wrong way
It's just that public housing can be far less than ideal for a lot of people, but they have no choice if that's all they can afford.
What interests me is how your friend is eligible for it if he earns so much
It's just that public housing can be far less than ideal for a lot of people, but they have no choice if that's all they can afford.
What interests me is how your friend is eligible for it if he earns so much
Sometimes Serene, I just dont go there with questions... its all too hard.
Bit like last week, reading about Captain Emad, the people smuggler, who managed to come in as a refugee, he had one house for himself, in Canberra, one for his girls and one for his son, and Maybe, I think his wife had a house too... so go figure... its much better to not ask.
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They are single people in a home with more than one bedroom. Without going into too much detail, my clients have certain medical problems that are chronic, long term and will only get worse so the letter doesn't apply to them - I think.
The gist of the letter was that as they were alone and occupied a home of more than one bedroom would they consider moving to a home with one bedroom? or sharing with a stranger? paying more rent? moving to the private housing market with a subsidy? do they have anyone living with them who shouldn't be there?? etc.
The funny thing is one of my ladies in her seventies, was looking after her disabled adult daughter until she became too much for her recently and my client offered to move into a smaller place so that her daughter and carer could move into the 3 bedroom house but the Housing Dept told her they had a shortage of accommodation for single people ???
So apart from the ones on the 8 yr waiting list, where are they going to put all these single people who move out to accommodate families??