Are religious/spiritual people happier? (46)

Jul 24, 2012 4:39 AM CST Are religious/spiritual people happier?
Obscuritan
ObscuritanObscuritanMelbourne, Victoria Australia37 Threads 3 Polls 1,284 Posts
What's your opinion? Is it worth taking up a religion to minimise my depression and if yes, what flavour?
Jul 24, 2012 4:44 AM CST Are religious/spiritual people happier?
mickyj63
mickyj63mickyj63adelaide, South Australia Australia101 Threads 2,362 Posts
Obscuritan: What's your opinion? Is it worth taking up a religion to minimise my depression and if yes, what flavour?


Well I'm not sure never tried it myself to help with any depression I've felt .
Whats worked for me is going for walks .breathe the air look at nature etc .

Religions seem to want to take your money from what I've heard about born again churches . Ued to know a guy who's parents kept changing churches they would promise so much of their pay packets to them .Silly if u ask me .
Jul 24, 2012 4:51 AM CST Are religious/spiritual people happier?
serene56
serene56serene56Myplace, New South Wales Australia543 Threads 10 Polls 27,957 Posts
Obscuritan: What's your opinion? Is it worth taking up a religion to minimise my depression and if yes, what flavour?



Not sure religion or spirituality is the key to resolving or relieving depression, but my thoughts are that it doesn't hurt to believe in Something ..

Organised religion isn't my cup of tea but my belief in a higher power does seem to give me some form of support when the going gets tough, if that makes any sense confused
Jul 24, 2012 4:53 AM CST Are religious/spiritual people happier?
Merriweather
MerriweatherMerriweatherAdelaide, South Australia Australia51 Threads 11,403 Posts
Obscuritan: What's your opinion? Is it worth taking up a religion to minimise my depression and if yes, what flavour?



Hi Obsi, wave


I wouldn't be taking up a religion to mimimise depression... I would do something... like a hobby to focus on , something that really turns you on... and see how you go with that... but maybe, do a hobby that involves being part of group of people... when you start to feel needed, valued, then your focus will change, and maybe you'll see that there isn't need to be depressed... comfort
Jul 24, 2012 5:16 AM CST Are religious/spiritual people happier?
jem1964
jem1964jem1964Foothills of Dandenongs, Victoria Australia30 Threads 1 Polls 2,441 Posts
Obscuritan: What's your opinion? Is it worth taking up a religion to minimise my depression and if yes, what flavour?


Obsci if you would ever like someone to go for a walk with, or just get out and do something for the day just let me know. Im sure a day with something or other people to distract you from your thoughts will help.

just to take up a religion, without a true belief from inside you, I think could be more of a detriment than a help as eventually you would be unhappy for the time and effort you put in to something that just wasnt from and for you.
JMO
Jul 24, 2012 5:27 AM CST Are religious/spiritual people happier?
curly28
curly28curly28Perth, Western Australia Australia53 Threads 5,450 Posts
Obscuritan: What's your opinion? Is it worth taking up a religion to minimise my depression and if yes, what flavour?


Def not religon it is unhealthy for you & A load of BS , what you need is good friend or trusted family member around you to talk to you.

A walk along the coast line smelling the sea air has always lifted my sprits and puts a smile on my dial thinking to myself wow isn't the ocean sureal especially at sundown very happy Just look around you and see wow daisy hug
Jul 24, 2012 5:35 AM CST Are religious/spiritual people happier?
Obscuritan
ObscuritanObscuritanMelbourne, Victoria Australia37 Threads 3 Polls 1,284 Posts
Merriweather: Hi Obsi, I wouldn't be taking up a religion to mimimise depression... I would do something... like a hobby to focus on , something that really turns you on... and see how you go with that... but maybe, do a hobby that involves being part of group of people... when you start to feel needed, valued, then your focus will change, and maybe you'll see that there isn't need to be depressed...


See the thing with depression is the inability to "do something" and the complete abscence of anything that "turns you on" including walking, sniffing fresh air and anything involving groups of people. This is why depressed people are secretly looked down upon for their inability to help themselves.
Jul 24, 2012 5:52 AM CST Are religious/spiritual people happier?
jem1964
jem1964jem1964Foothills of Dandenongs, Victoria Australia30 Threads 1 Polls 2,441 Posts
Obscuritan: See the thing with depression is the inability to "do something" and the complete abscence of anything that "turns you on" including walking, sniffing fresh air and anything involving groups of people. This is why depressed people are secretly looked down upon for their inability to help themselves.


if someone has ever been depressed there is no way they would EVER look down on anyone for having depression. The emptiness, hollowness, the helplessness once experienced are never forgotten.

What has helped me in the past is to visualise how I am feeling. This might sound silly to some, but for me, depression is a pit, a very deep black pit. I visualise myself at the bottom and look upward towards top and the light. Sometimes I can only see one or two hand holds above me and the light is a very long way away, but I always work towards that light, one step, or hand hold at a time.

Obsci, dont think down on yourself, to face depression takes a hell of a lot of couragehug
Jul 24, 2012 8:58 AM CST Are religious/spiritual people happier?
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts
Obscuritan: What's your opinion? Is it worth taking up a religion to minimise my depression and if yes, what flavour?


It depends if you believe there is a god and that god is listening to you over the starving in Ethiopia, two hundred homeless in Australia, people with genetic disorders, people with cancer on death row… etc

Personally I would prefer to join a club or two, do bit of social bonding, creating a social circle is much more beneficial in my opinion over the burden every religion brings.
Jul 24, 2012 8:59 AM CST Are religious/spiritual people happier?
Martia
MartiaMartiabenalla, Victoria Australia141 Threads 1 Polls 2,888 Posts
Hi Obs... I have been down the black hole of hell meds helped a lot but went through hell again coming off the damn things.sigh
There is now a new generation of antidepressants out there now that dont have those problems anymore.

I have to agree with the others about religion I am agnostic and I believe so many turn to it because of the fear of death and or utter loneliness.

There are so many options out there, for instance if you love dogs get a Border Collie pup and join a Border Collie Club' this breed are so damn smart and they love competing' it seems a really social thing and every one involved seems to have a ball...also more ladies go than men....just a thought.

At my lowest point I felt I still had so much love to give'I took a critical look at myself in the mirror (hmmm not to bad) and thought RIGHT gotta get out there and find someone to love so I checked out heaps of dating sites and found three that suited me best and joined up'about 2 years and about 50 or so dates a few short/longer term relationships at last I found the one.

If in case you dont succeed GET BACK OUT THERE and never be afraid to make first contact at worst they can only ignore you or say no it happens to everyone at best you have a date.

I will tell you now' I think a lot of ladies will say yes to you so get going.

hug wave
Jul 24, 2012 5:14 PM CST Are religious/spiritual people happier?
Nature123
Nature123Nature123Australia, Queensland Australia68 Threads 2 Polls 739 Posts
I agree with Rob,
These books are great,in more ways then one,
Exercise,if you don't want to go out and do it put a DVD on of some form of exercise, Affirmations are also helpful,
When I awake every morning,I say what a lovely day,even if it's pouring rain,
If you can sit in the sun naked for 10-15 mins,that does lift the spirit,
If you can get to the ocean that is revitalizing,
If you carnt have a salt bath.
These are things I do when I feel low,and they seem to help.
I am no expert,but I think it is all back to conditioning of the mind.
Doctors give out so much medication,even to young children for this condition and I think that is wrong in many cases.

I am a long way from you and can only offer you my support this way but i hope you find something that helps you.

Good luck mate
,
Jul 24, 2012 5:34 PM CST Are religious/spiritual people happier?
Obscuritan: Well of course Rob, I expected you would have a Buddhist solution to this. Out of all the religions I think it's one that makes some sense.
I'm trying to understand your method. First I have to somehow take on other's suffereing. Now why would I want to do that - I've got plenty of my own. I have never noticed my suffering suddnely reduced due to someone somewhere taking it away for themselves.
My 2nd ex-wife had philosophies similar to Buddhism - borrowed from it in fact - New Age. It seems to help her to be happy - though not while she was with me. Deluded but happy.

Our nature is moving energy (Karma), our experience is ever changing, our tomorrows come from our past and present actions of body, speech and mind.
Thought transformation, is used because our feeling of suffering comes from mind, we know our mind is very complicated thing and we have been constantly interrelating with it our whole life.
Changing our thoughts of course means changing our old habitual way of thinking.
By using thought transforming to change our outlook we can change the thoughts into a more positive energy benefiting others.
When done with a strong positive motivation directed towards benefiting others, has consequence of transforming thoughts into something that is actually benefiting others.

Try reading the whole teaching, he's a pretty cleaver dud...
Jul 24, 2012 6:56 PM CST Are religious/spiritual people happier?
benidorm
benidormbenidormwellington, Wellington New Zealand58 Threads 1 Polls 499 Posts
Depression Well it is not good had episode in early twenties
motionless could not trust talk at all to any family.
Been active challenging yourself eating well.lay off the pollutants.Faith,personal beliefs are definate benficial to your wellbeing.KEEP GOOD COMPANY.
Jul 24, 2012 8:18 PM CST Are religious/spiritual people happier?
kizzy27
kizzy27kizzy27a south coast beach, New South Wales Australia106 Threads 6 Polls 7,413 Posts
I dont think religious people are happier because most religions , being man made are full of fear and doom however its a very different thing to have faith...with faith comes the reassurance that things are happening as part of your journey & that which ever option or direction you choose is up to you,Sometimes there is no choice but to persevere.Mostly being happy is a choice.
Jul 25, 2012 6:51 AM CST Are religious/spiritual people happier?
Blizzard14u
Blizzard14uBlizzard14uGosnells, Western Australia Australia67 Threads 2 Polls 1,430 Posts
Obscuritan: What's your opinion? Is it worth taking up a religion to minimise my depression and if yes, what flavour?


No I wouldn’t say they are happier but you will find some religious beliefs or customs have proven to be a healthier choice than what most would do in normal life,

I always mark myself down as a Jedi, a running joke at most work places I have worked at,

As for depression, I have always said no matter how bad your situation there is always someone out there that is feeling worse,

You have to think off the things in your life that are positive and what never could be replaced, I always think off the kid, the rest off my stuff is just stuff,
professor cheers
Sep 17, 2012 1:52 AM CST Are religious/spiritual people happier?
reolvine420
reolvine420reolvine420taupo, Waikato New Zealand139 Threads 13 Polls 1,297 Posts
Obscuritan: What's your opinion? Is it worth taking up a religion to minimise my depression and if yes, what flavour?
as i was diagnosed with depression/anxiety i have read lots of books on this topic....it seems to me that depression/anxiety is caused by trying to live up to other ppls expectations......once i let that go and try to live up to my own expectations those feelings left me.......my picture of god is probably not like a lot of others but i do know that joining a church/group of people that have your interests at heart can only be a good thing.....most christians are quite caring people and will take you under their wing and help you if you let them.......also getting off the grog was a huge help for me.....wakeing up with a hangover is very depressing in itself, wether you suffer depression or not
Sep 17, 2012 2:04 AM CST Are religious/spiritual people happier?
reolvine420
reolvine420reolvine420taupo, Waikato New Zealand139 Threads 13 Polls 1,297 Posts
Obscuritan: What's your opinion? Is it worth taking up a religion to minimise my depression and if yes, what flavour?
i was bought up in many different churches but it wasnt until i went to a spiritualist group that i found my truth........one of the seven principals of spiritualism is.......it is up to the individual what spiritualism means for them......this is something i never found in church......most religions seem to tell you that you will GO TO HELL if you dont follow their prescribed program....i think that is crap.....it is up to you what works for you.....good luck in your search!
Sep 17, 2012 4:13 AM CST Are religious/spiritual people happier?
Obscuritan
ObscuritanObscuritanMelbourne, Victoria Australia37 Threads 3 Polls 1,284 Posts
Thanks guys for your informative suggestions. I'm feeling a lot better at the moment as I'm changing medications so I'm pretty optimistic.
Obviously I was never serious about taking up a religion or faith or spirituality or however one wants to differentiate it. I was brought up in a strict religion so I guess that left a mark on me.
The weekend riots show clearly what harm religion can do - plenty of other religions have had their dark chapters too.
Sep 17, 2012 4:26 AM CST Are religious/spiritual people happier?
wash2u
wash2uwash2uMelbourne, Victoria Australia79 Threads 1 Polls 3,768 Posts
Obscuritan: Thanks guys for your informative suggestions. I'm feeling a lot better at the moment as I'm changing medications so I'm pretty optimistic.
Obviously I was never serious about taking up a religion or faith or spirituality or however one wants to differentiate it. I was brought up in a strict religion so I guess that left a mark on me.
The weekend riots show clearly what harm religion can do - plenty of other religions have had their dark chapters too.


One of my mates was going through a bad time. We had lived across the road from each other, our kids went to school together and we were part of a close neighbourhood group. We both were tossed out of our homes a week apart. Ended up we would catch up each week for a drink and a chat. He always said "Wash, you have plans. You talk about travelling to Scotland and Austria. Yuo do your trips away when you can. I can't plan these things because I don't know what is going to happen."

My reply was "these are plans. Things I want to do. But maybe I will never get to Scotland and Austria. But it is a plan. Something to aim for."

Few weeks later, he told me that he had decided to finally get his teeth fixed. Gawd awful mess they were. And after it was done, he was a changed man. Went on to get a great job with lots of overseas travel (and I got sick of hearing how he went here there and everwhere) and met the "girl of my dreams."





So I moved interstate and never did hear how things turned out.


So Obs, make a plan how you aim to help yourself. And you may get distracted along the way.

Although, I did get a bit distracted on this post when thinking about the mention of the sunbaking in the backyard mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Defintely a distracting thought.banana
Sep 17, 2012 4:32 AM CST Are religious/spiritual people happier?
Merriweather
MerriweatherMerriweatherAdelaide, South Australia Australia51 Threads 11,403 Posts
Obscuritan: Thanks guys for your informative suggestions. I'm feeling a lot better at the moment as I'm changing medications so I'm pretty optimistic.
Obviously I was never serious about taking up a religion or faith or spirituality or however one wants to differentiate it. I was brought up in a strict religion so I guess that left a mark on me.
The weekend riots show clearly what harm religion can do - plenty of other religions have had their dark chapters too.


Hi Obsi...wave

Glad to hear that you are continuing on your wellness path..

and very glad to hear that you are not intending to take up a religion for comfort...


Re the weekend... That was a joke... the film trailer I mean... doh

It's done like a Monty Python skit... and that caused riots... doh doh doh

Look it up... Its too stupid to be taken seriously...



Now can you imagine that we got all upset about the Life of Brian.. some peeps dont have a sense of humor at all..
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