Smoking to be banned (60)
Drugs are illegal and our kids get those too. I think they are just creating another black market product.
Abagail: Drugs are illegal and our kids get those too. I think they are just creating another black market product.
Possibly however there are more smokers than drug addicts , If people had to go underground it would deter many from even exploring dont you think?
kizzy27: Possibly however there are more smokers than drug addicts , If people had to go underground it would deter many from even exploring dont you think?
Drugs in comparison to cigarettes are fairly new on the scene. I think by making anything illegal, the government is opening the doors to illicit trade.
However, I do not know any smoker that if they did not have their time over again, that they would not make a different choice. So perhaps by initiating this... we are closing the door on cigarettes in the future. We do appear to be becoming a "Nanny State" though. Government is regulating everything. We pay huge prices for water, (where once we did not) electricity prices are through the roof ( and smart meters are mandatory), we won't even allow a company to advertise their product... ( I think cigarettes is just a start, alcohol will be next)
Abagail: Drugs in comparison to cigarettes are fairly new on the scene. I think by making anything illegal, the government is opening the doors to illicit trade.
However, I do not know any smoker that if they did not have their time over again, that they would not make a different choice. So perhaps by initiating this... we are closing the door on cigarettes in the future. We do appear to be becoming a "Nanny State" though. Government is regulating everything. We pay huge prices for water, (where once we did not) electricity prices are through the roof ( and smart meters are mandatory), we won't even allow a company to advertise their product... ( I think cigarettes is just a start, alcohol will be next)
However, I do not know any smoker that if they did not have their time over again, that they would not make a different choice. So perhaps by initiating this... we are closing the door on cigarettes in the future. We do appear to be becoming a "Nanny State" though. Government is regulating everything. We pay huge prices for water, (where once we did not) electricity prices are through the roof ( and smart meters are mandatory), we won't even allow a company to advertise their product... ( I think cigarettes is just a start, alcohol will be next)
Cigarettes are just another type of drug, although more addictive. And drugs have been around for many 1,000s of years, long before it was taken from the Americas to Europe.
And like a lot of smokers I know, I wish I had never started the addiction. My doctor is an addiction specialist and we have discussed this a few times over the years. He believes it is one addiction that never leaves the body. However, it is possible to stop smoking, just that it is so easy to get hooked again (as I have).
We are a Nanny State and probably the most regulated country in the world. I raised my voice to a deaf person at work (who doesn't often wear his hearing aids) and he had me up for bullying and harrassment.
Abagail: Drugs are illegal and our kids get those too. I think they are just creating another black market product.
Yes there would be a black market but it would be a massive cut to future generation smoking so it has to be a good thing , say example 50 years from now smokes can only be purchased from the black market it would eliminate people smoking around members of public a lot , so therefor will dramatically cut the passive smoking out. That's a good thing.
Yeah there will be people who get hold of smokes but being an illegal drug will def keep it out of the eye of the public JMO
just my thoughts on the subject 
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wash2u: Cigarettes are just another type of drug, although more addictive. And drugs have been around for many 1,000s of years, long before it was taken from the Americas to Europe.
And like a lot of smokers I know, I wish I had never started the addiction. My doctor is an addiction specialist and we have discussed this a few times over the years. He believes it is one addiction that never leaves the body. However, it is possible to stop smoking, just that it is so easy to get hooked again (as I have).
We are a Nanny State and probably the most regulated country in the world. I raised my voice to a deaf person at work (who doesn't often wear his hearing aids) and he had me up for bullying and harrassment.
And like a lot of smokers I know, I wish I had never started the addiction. My doctor is an addiction specialist and we have discussed this a few times over the years. He believes it is one addiction that never leaves the body. However, it is possible to stop smoking, just that it is so easy to get hooked again (as I have).
We are a Nanny State and probably the most regulated country in the world. I raised my voice to a deaf person at work (who doesn't often wear his hearing aids) and he had me up for bullying and harrassment.
It's hardly harrassment when you were simply trying to accomodate for hearing loss. It's amazing how easily we misconstrue things in society.
I read a book on addictions recently and what I learned is that addictions affect individuals differently. There are also most certainly more addictions out there than any of us ever really want to dwell on. The concern really is how do we stop the individual from getting that 'fix' from their hit (whatever their choice of 'hit).
My reference to drugs by the way, was more to the 'street' drugs we have available these days. Rather than people massing in dens of iniquity... Drugs have become a way of life for some. When our grandparents were growing up, often their choice of drug was alcohol.
curly28: Yes there would be a black market but it would be a massive cut to future generation smoking so it has to be a good thing , say example 50 years from now smokes can only be purchased from the black market it would eliminate people smoking around members of public a lot , so therefor will dramatically cut the passive smoking out. That's a good thing.
Yeah there will be people who get hold of smokes but being an illegal drug will def keep it out of the eye of the public JMO just my thoughts on the subject <<<<
Yeah there will be people who get hold of smokes but being an illegal drug will def keep it out of the eye of the public JMO just my thoughts on the subject <<<<
The massive cut might take a few generations to take place with any success. I would hope it would be successful, but again... is this taking our rights off us? That is a bigger concern. Government control... where is the line really drawn?
Abagail: The massive cut might take a few generations to take place with any success. I would hope it would be successful, but again... is this taking our rights off us? That is a bigger concern. Government control... where is the line really drawn?
No I really don't think it's taking away our rights it's quiet the opposite with trying to eliminate the drug as it is such a health problem your heart / lungs / cancer that is enough reason to try to stop it and we all realize it is a mammoth job of weaning a nation off it. I was a heavy smoker up until 10 years ago so I do see the benifits of smoke free enviroment A much healthier world to live in
curly28: No I really don't think it's taking away our rights it's quiet the opposite with trying to eliminate the drug as it is such a health problem your heart / lungs / cancer that is enough reason to try to stop it and we all realize it is a mammoth job of weaning a nation off it. I was a heavy smoker up until 10 years ago so I do see the benifits of smoke free enviroment A much healthier world to live in
A couple of years ago, a gent I know had a doctor diagnose smoking. In theory the benefits of smoking outweighed the hindrances.
Just for information sake, I have a website here...
It's all quite legit.
I am not a smoker, incidentally...but I wonder where that line will be drawn by our government... because at the moment, it seems to be drawn in the sand.
Abagail: A couple of years ago, a gent I know had a doctor diagnose smoking. In theory the benefits of smoking outweighed the hindrances.
Just for information sake, I have a website here...
It's all quite legit.
I am not a smoker, incidentally...but I wonder where that line will be drawn by our government... because at the moment, it seems to be drawn in the sand.
Just for information sake, I have a website here...
It's all quite legit.
I am not a smoker, incidentally...but I wonder where that line will be drawn by our government... because at the moment, it seems to be drawn in the sand.
I was just stating my own point of view
curly28: I was just stating my own point of view
I wasn't berating you... simply tossing some ideas out there. I would certainly like to see the statistics after years of this new ruling. I am still concerned about where this is all heading.
Most smokers regret the descision to smoke ,It makes sense to make it harder to aquire.The health costs to our nation are extreame , 20,000 people die from it every year ! Man thats alot of grief , families torn apart, children denied a father , mothers saying farewell to their babies .....all for what another drag of foul smelling toxic air?Doesnt make alot of sense does it ?
Maybe if "die hard" and I mean the term literally as gasping for breathe isnt pleasant ide imagine , are against the idea they should at least pay their own health care costs.
Maybe if "die hard" and I mean the term literally as gasping for breathe isnt pleasant ide imagine , are against the idea they should at least pay their own health care costs.
To start with, I am a heavy smoker, and I really gota quit. My opinion on this is simple.
I believe that smoking should either be:
A) totally illegalized for sale. The only availability should be through a doctors prescription for current smokers - they will either quit or die out eventually.
B) Prices should be reduced back to normal, before the governments heavy taxation, and people should be left to their own devices as to quitting or not, as it is our own lives, and I didn't realize Australia was a DicKtatorship.
I actually believe A is the best solution as it does look to our health as a nation, where as the Governments Heavy Taxation is just about Profiteering off a Humans Drug Addiction and nothing more. The damage I have seen done, to the elderly and already poverty stricken is beyond in-humane. It is an addiction, and people will live on coffee instead of food, but still buy their smokes.
I believe that smoking should either be:
A) totally illegalized for sale. The only availability should be through a doctors prescription for current smokers - they will either quit or die out eventually.
B) Prices should be reduced back to normal, before the governments heavy taxation, and people should be left to their own devices as to quitting or not, as it is our own lives, and I didn't realize Australia was a DicKtatorship.
I actually believe A is the best solution as it does look to our health as a nation, where as the Governments Heavy Taxation is just about Profiteering off a Humans Drug Addiction and nothing more. The damage I have seen done, to the elderly and already poverty stricken is beyond in-humane. It is an addiction, and people will live on coffee instead of food, but still buy their smokes.
Lookin4missright: KRIST!! 67yrs You sure you not "Steve Austin" (Six Million Dollar Man), you sure look like him
ps, i'm not to good at maths
but did you start smoking at six yrs old 
Lookin4missright: ps, i'm not to good at maths but did you start smoking at six yrs old
Apparently your Maths does not need working on, that is what he said.
They are like the Muslim moral police, running around telling others what they should or should not do. In my opinion people in government should mind there own business, stop stealing from my non taxable veterans income support, stop harshly judging the karmas of others, stop repeatedly engaging in mass murder all over the world. Understand they are but servants of the people and have no right to engage in discrimination, nor any right to reward some scumbag for discriminating against people nor either should they kid themselves they know what they are doing when clearly most politicians have highly inflated ego's and have in many cases never done more than talk crap there whole lives.
Take deluded feminine perception they always know what they are doing, and religious rubbish and at the very least once in there life study the nature of existence
Take deluded feminine perception they always know what they are doing, and religious rubbish and at the very least once in there life study the nature of existence
Lookin4missright: ps, i'm not to good at maths but did you start smoking at six yrs old
sad lolLookin4missright: ps, i'm not to good at maths but did you start smoking at six yrs old
Yes,indid,but my mother use to said :"U'r not allowed until u earn u'r money ! When I reach the age 12 I start to earn money,then Mother bought cigarets n ever after I smoke "legally"
For verification of the truth,reffer to my Mother,she's in 2 months 100 years old n she also doing well,but she's pasive-smoker only !
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Keeping in mind that people who already smoke wont be affected It just attempts to prevent children from starting, knowing that how people get hooked on nicotine. Ingenious.
I cant see that even smokers would be against it , After all we all know the health risks.
What do you think?