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do i correctly understand there is a gate value at the outlet of one tank that has the pipe leading to the house
Been spending a bit of time thinking about this one. Most of the tank pipes these days are polyurathene pipes and tend to be affected by high and low temps and usually end up with leakages for one reason or another. Most often, the valve is located at the tank itself.
Was at some tanks in SA recently and they operated on a hand-pump system and they had the valve at the tank itself with a poly pipe to fill your drums. And a big notice to turn the valve off after use as they tend to leak due to the water pressure in the tank.
But I have seen some systems over the years where the tanks feed quite a large poly-pipe system around paddocks. And often there are slow leaks at taps and joints in the system.
Just guessing but the plumber and partner are concerned that you will only rely on the tap at the very end and that maybe there will be leaks resulting in nothing being in the tanks when you really need it. At least the shut-off valve only system ensures that there will be no leakages as it is stopped at the tanks.
You are paying the plumber but he is only advising you that there may be problems that he has seen over the years. If you decide to go ahead, it is well worth following all his advice about going back up to the tank to turn off the shut-off valve when you turn the taps off (if that is what his concerns are).
Was at some tanks in SA recently and they operated on a hand-pump system and they had the valve at the tank itself with a poly pipe to fill your drums. And a big notice to turn the valve off after use as they tend to leak due to the water pressure in the tank.
But I have seen some systems over the years where the tanks feed quite a large poly-pipe system around paddocks. And often there are slow leaks at taps and joints in the system.
Just guessing but the plumber and partner are concerned that you will only rely on the tap at the very end and that maybe there will be leaks resulting in nothing being in the tanks when you really need it. At least the shut-off valve only system ensures that there will be no leakages as it is stopped at the tanks.
You are paying the plumber but he is only advising you that there may be problems that he has seen over the years. If you decide to go ahead, it is well worth following all his advice about going back up to the tank to turn off the shut-off valve when you turn the taps off (if that is what his concerns are).
You may not be surprised to hear Martia but I will pass on this one?? 
Pipes and stuff not within my expertise
Pipes and stuff not within my expertise
Hey Martia, You appear to be right if the tanks were installed correctly, you would turn the valves off at both ends and you could put taps anywhere between the house and the stables. The only loss of water would be in the 30 metre pipe line, I've lived on tank water for years and irrigated acres putting taps in lines as the gardens grew, really don't see a problem 
Hope it helps, you could chat with a neighbour, I'm guess they would have tanks as well and maybe done what you want to do.
Hope this helps
Just an after though maybe the plumber thinks you want a tap put on the tank, then you would lose all the water down to that mark.
Hope it helps, you could chat with a neighbour, I'm guess they would have tanks as well and maybe done what you want to do.
Hope this helps
Just an after though maybe the plumber thinks you want a tap put on the tank, then you would lose all the water down to that mark.
Martia: Had four water tanks years ago installed 2 of them over at the stables as back ups feeding directly by pipe about a 25cm below ground and 30 metres to the 2 tanks at the house' trouble is the plumber installed them he did not put taps on them just gate valves' but need to use them directly at the stables so I want to put a tap on one of them' talking to my plumber the other day and he stated that we would lose water if he put a tap on 'my guy agree's with him.
I might be thick but couldn't it be done by closing the gate valve at stables and house so no loss of water and then installing a two way brass fitting on the end of the gate valve so we could have either.
If not surely there has to be an easy way out of this problem' tried Google but no joy there.
I might be thick but couldn't it be done by closing the gate valve at stables and house so no loss of water and then installing a two way brass fitting on the end of the gate valve so we could have either.
If not surely there has to be an easy way out of this problem' tried Google but no joy there.
If you put a tap into the tank you will lose the water in the tank yes!
If you attach tap away from tank in the pipe you will also lose the water in the pipes that run down too the tanks, 30 mitres of 25cm pipe is a lot off water! There is a way to avoid water loss, you close the valve two the tank that needs the tap and pump the water out, into a storage tank or water pumping truck? Drain the tank place the tap too the tank, then pump the water back into the tank, cost will be the hire off the water truck, we have clean drinking water trucks over here, but I would still use a filter, to save time on hire, once the truck drains the bottom tank, with the top tanks valve closed, have the truck pump the water back into the top tank, once the tap is fitted and all valves opened, that way the top tank will fill the bottom tank through the pipes and the water truck will just top up the top tank,
Basic stuff really,
Thanks for all of your advice and help' it has given me something to think about ... I guess it gets down to the poly pipe running in between the tanks.
I think the lever type tap would be the best for the job ' its just gravity feed with overflow of course so no great pressure on the pipes as the tanks are 8 and 10 thousand litres.
I think the lever type tap would be the best for the job ' its just gravity feed with overflow of course so no great pressure on the pipes as the tanks are 8 and 10 thousand litres.
Martia: Thanks for all of your advice and help' it has given me something to think about ... I guess it gets down to the poly pipe running in between the tanks.
I think the lever type tap would be the best for the job ' its just gravity feed with overflow of course so no great pressure on the pipes as the tanks are 8 and 10 thousand litres.
Water is worth a bit more this side of summer . There would be no great loss if your fellas cut and held their thumbs over the ends while fixing the new joiners . I understand the pipes plastic and can either be crimped or threaded , a tee with thread for a tap is easy to put on with running water as you turn the tap on and let the water run till its threaded on . If you need the water at the stables now , put a garden hose in the tank from the top with a little weight on it , suck on the outside end to get a siphon .............going .I think the lever type tap would be the best for the job ' its just gravity feed with overflow of course so no great pressure on the pipes as the tanks are 8 and 10 thousand litres.
Thanks for that link' learnt something I didnt know much about.
All this has come about because someone might be interested in buying the property and we needed to have water over the stables.
We had a well that supplied all the paddocks but through the prolonged drought it ran dry so havent looked at it for a couple of years but checked it this morning and its got water in it again so thank goodness water to the paddocks again,but the pump is stuffed so if the people are really interested they might want to make sure its in working order.
So things to do is the stable water from tank and maybe a new well pump to have water again for this 20 acre block.
Just installed a new Grundfos house pump and a Panasonic split system ...talk about everything coming in three's.
All this has come about because someone might be interested in buying the property and we needed to have water over the stables.
We had a well that supplied all the paddocks but through the prolonged drought it ran dry so havent looked at it for a couple of years but checked it this morning and its got water in it again so thank goodness water to the paddocks again,but the pump is stuffed so if the people are really interested they might want to make sure its in working order.
So things to do is the stable water from tank and maybe a new well pump to have water again for this 20 acre block.
Just installed a new Grundfos house pump and a Panasonic split system ...talk about everything coming in three's.
Martia: Thanks for that link' learnt something I didnt know much about.
All this has come about because someone might be interested in buying the property and we needed to have water over the stables.
We had a well that supplied all the paddocks but through the prolonged drought it ran dry so havent looked at it for a couple of years but checked it this morning and its got water in it again so thank goodness water to the paddocks again,but the pump is stuffed so if the people are really interested they might want to make sure its in working order.
So things to do is the stable water from tank and maybe a new well pump to have water again for this 20 acre block.
Just installed a new Grundfos house pump and a Panasonic split system ...talk about everything coming in three's.
All this has come about because someone might be interested in buying the property and we needed to have water over the stables.
We had a well that supplied all the paddocks but through the prolonged drought it ran dry so havent looked at it for a couple of years but checked it this morning and its got water in it again so thank goodness water to the paddocks again,but the pump is stuffed so if the people are really interested they might want to make sure its in working order.
So things to do is the stable water from tank and maybe a new well pump to have water again for this 20 acre block.
Just installed a new Grundfos house pump and a Panasonic split system ...talk about everything coming in three's.
Martia, I have watched a couple of shows about selling property on tv. Hot Properties is one I recall where someone around Leppington (out of Sydney) was having trouble selling their 20 acres for a number of reasons. Mainly about the landscaping around the house. The production company 'moved in' and did the place up with $40,000 worth of work to beautify the place.
They were seeking $xxx,000 for the place but were not getting anyoffers. The show did the work and put it up for auction. After spending all that money, they did get what they wanted, just.
At times, you have to work out is it really worth spending the extra. Maybe just compile a list of works, consider how much it will cost you to achieve it and then decide if it is worth spending the money or accepting that it is not worth spending $xx,ooo to get $x,ooo more.
wash2u: Martia, I have watched a couple of shows about selling property on tv. Hot Properties is one I recall where someone around Leppington (out of Sydney) was having trouble selling their 20 acres for a number of reasons. Mainly about the landscaping around the house. The production company 'moved in' and did the place up with $40,000 worth of work to beautify the place.
They were seeking $xxx,000 for the place but were not getting anyoffers. The show did the work and put it up for auction. After spending all that money, they did get what they wanted, just.
At times, you have to work out is it really worth spending the extra. Maybe just compile a list of works, consider how much it will cost you to achieve it and then decide if it is worth spending the money or accepting that it is not worth spending $xx,ooo to get $x,ooo more.
They were seeking $xxx,000 for the place but were not getting anyoffers. The show did the work and put it up for auction. After spending all that money, they did get what they wanted, just.
At times, you have to work out is it really worth spending the extra. Maybe just compile a list of works, consider how much it will cost you to achieve it and then decide if it is worth spending the money or accepting that it is not worth spending $xx,ooo to get $x,ooo more.
Already doing that but still have work to do my guy has redone most of the fencing'in fact we took it off the market as it was very neglected and only have the for sale sign out front on a secondary road.
The interest has come from people passing by only.
Been doing it up for the last two years and its starting to look great we have the house stables and 20 acres and another 20 acres which we subdivided off and is also for sale.
I suppose we have increased the value and it will make it easier to sell ,our agent told us to increase our price by twenty five thousand' it has cost us about 8 to 10 thou not including labour which we have done ourselves.
The main thing is that we sell' it was so run down but now it looks really great.
Only thing to do is more painting and we have heaps of Dulux paint which I purchased off the Internet for a quarter of the price.
I have watched the renovation shows on Foxtel and its light neutral colors throughout.
and the garden around the house has heaps of native and fruit tree's 'out the front its looking really good with wood chips surrounding the new palm tree's and Yukka's.
Martia: Already doing that but still have work to do my guy has redone most of the fencing'in fact we took it off the market as it was very neglected and only have the for sale sign out front on a secondary road.
The interest has come from people passing by only.
Been doing it up for the last two years and its starting to look great we have the house stables and 20 acres and another 20 acres which we subdivided off and is also for sale.
I suppose we have increased the value and it will make it easier to sell ,our agent told us to increase our price by twenty five thousand' it has cost us about 8 to 10 thou not including labour which we have done ourselves.
The main thing is that we sell' it was so run down but now it looks really great.
Only thing to do is more painting and we have heaps of Dulux paint which I purchased off the Internet for a quarter of the price.
I have watched the renovation shows on Foxtel and its light neutral colors throughout.
and the garden around the house has heaps of native and fruit tree's 'out the front its looking really good with wood chips surrounding the new palm tree's and Yukka's.
The interest has come from people passing by only.
Been doing it up for the last two years and its starting to look great we have the house stables and 20 acres and another 20 acres which we subdivided off and is also for sale.
I suppose we have increased the value and it will make it easier to sell ,our agent told us to increase our price by twenty five thousand' it has cost us about 8 to 10 thou not including labour which we have done ourselves.
The main thing is that we sell' it was so run down but now it looks really great.
Only thing to do is more painting and we have heaps of Dulux paint which I purchased off the Internet for a quarter of the price.
I have watched the renovation shows on Foxtel and its light neutral colors throughout.
and the garden around the house has heaps of native and fruit tree's 'out the front its looking really good with wood chips surrounding the new palm tree's and Yukka's.
Often it is only the cosmetic things like paint and plants that can make all the difference.
Should you install taps at the stables or just leave the system the way it is and let the next person install what they want.
I have done a lot of renos on my place recently. 2 bathrooms, kitchen, laundry, family room and entry. Still need to replace one very large wall (16 foot high), all the carpets and do something about the roof and the garage door. Spent a fair bit so far and would not realise the expenditure if I sold it now, and with the other work done. But I do not aim to sell up now, just looking at when I finally do sell in the future (maybe) and enjoying it in the meantime.
I have seen so many people over the years who have neglected their home as they have planned to move, and haven't. And ended up with something not worth having.
So keep on improving and enjoying it while you are there.
It looks like you have been very busy wash 'bet when its finished you wont be in a hurry to sell anyway.
Funny thing is' the reason we want to put taps on the stable tanks was last time we looked we had a water from a Well that supplied the stables and paddocks but since the long drought it had dried up' that was a couple of years ago since the drought broke, we had no stock so we didnt try to use it thinking that was it,checked the Well yesterday and since the water level has risen there is water in the Well again thank goodness; but the old Well pump wont work any more so will have to get a new pump for it .....talk about trouble coming in three's' first Air con then the house pump and now the well pump (dont think that will be cheap).
Have to do it' even if we dont use it because if and when our property is sold they will need water to the stables and paddocks and its much better than only relying on the tanks plus its not fair to leave it up to the buyers to do that.
Funny thing is' the reason we want to put taps on the stable tanks was last time we looked we had a water from a Well that supplied the stables and paddocks but since the long drought it had dried up' that was a couple of years ago since the drought broke, we had no stock so we didnt try to use it thinking that was it,checked the Well yesterday and since the water level has risen there is water in the Well again thank goodness; but the old Well pump wont work any more so will have to get a new pump for it .....talk about trouble coming in three's' first Air con then the house pump and now the well pump (dont think that will be cheap).
Have to do it' even if we dont use it because if and when our property is sold they will need water to the stables and paddocks and its much better than only relying on the tanks plus its not fair to leave it up to the buyers to do that.
Martia: It looks like you have been very busy wash 'bet when its finished you wont be in a hurry to sell anyway.
Funny thing is' the reason we want to put taps on the stable tanks was last time we looked we had a water from a Well that supplied the stables and paddocks but since the long drought it had dried up' that was a couple of years ago since the drought broke, we had no stock so we didnt try to use it thinking that was it,checked the Well yesterday and since the water level has risen there is water in the Well again thank goodness; but the old Well pump wont work any more so will have to get a new pump for it .....talk about trouble coming in three's' first Air con then the house pump and now the well pump (dont think that will be cheap).
Have to do it' even if we dont use it because if and when our property is sold they will need water to the stables and paddocks and its much better than only relying on the tanks plus its not fair to leave it up to the buyers to do that.
Funny thing is' the reason we want to put taps on the stable tanks was last time we looked we had a water from a Well that supplied the stables and paddocks but since the long drought it had dried up' that was a couple of years ago since the drought broke, we had no stock so we didnt try to use it thinking that was it,checked the Well yesterday and since the water level has risen there is water in the Well again thank goodness; but the old Well pump wont work any more so will have to get a new pump for it .....talk about trouble coming in three's' first Air con then the house pump and now the well pump (dont think that will be cheap).
Have to do it' even if we dont use it because if and when our property is sold they will need water to the stables and paddocks and its much better than only relying on the tanks plus its not fair to leave it up to the buyers to do that.
Check out the clearance sales, you might find a old reliable one at a reasonable price. Some of that ancient machinery just doesn't know how to break, unlike the more modern ones which are designed to be replaced every few years.
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I might be thick but couldn't it be done by closing the gate valve at stables and house so no loss of water and then installing a two way brass fitting on the end of the gate valve so we could have either.
If not surely there has to be an easy way out of this problem' tried Google but no joy there.