A sad day in Australian Sport (31)
Newlife08: I guess most people will have heard the news today of the Australian Crime Commission investigation into drug use in professional sport that has been going on for 12 mths.
The findings so far are shocking and made me feel sick to the stomach. We don't know names, or they haven't been made public yet, clubs etc. but a lot of people are going to be having sleepless nights??
It made me so sad when I heard it on the car radio today.
All I can say is I hope they throw the book at whoever is found guilty, sure some will be doing jail time. The lawyers will be having a field day.
Don't think I am going to enjoy this years footy season - not until it is clearer who did and who didn't.
The findings so far are shocking and made me feel sick to the stomach. We don't know names, or they haven't been made public yet, clubs etc. but a lot of people are going to be having sleepless nights??
It made me so sad when I heard it on the car radio today.
All I can say is I hope they throw the book at whoever is found guilty, sure some will be doing jail time. The lawyers will be having a field day.
Don't think I am going to enjoy this years footy season - not until it is clearer who did and who didn't.
I'm not a sports fan myself so the story has made little impact on me Newlife. I guess with sport now being such a huge business, the incentives for drug taking or game fixing or bet rigging are very high. It's probably surprising how little of it actually does go on. Well that which we hear about I guess. It's probably well hidden.
Obscuritan: I'm not a sports fan myself so the story has made little impact on me Newlife. I guess with sport now being such a huge business, the incentives for drug taking or game fixing or bet rigging are very high. It's probably surprising how little of it actually does go on. Well that which we hear about I guess. It's probably well hidden.
I am with Obsi... not a sport fan at all... but its a shame that true sport is becoming denigraded by the drugs...
well what can one say . I think some areas of Aussie sport may have been tainted for generations .
cycling way back in the early 1900's was tarnished by organised crime!!
Match fixing in Aussie rules footy .there is a story that a good footy player crossed from the big V to South Aussie in the 1930's I believe .
Day came fo the state footy match ex Vic player kicked the first 2 or 3 goals for his new state .Then he stopped and told other SA forwards thats it guys we aint winning today !! Can not recall his name .
As a boy my folks owned and raced Greyhounds . I remember reading an old greyhound book from the 1950's or 60's my dad had been given . And on the inside pages was a hand written account of how to nobble a greyhound .and make it appear to have a track leg . Result being the next race the dogs odds would be very high and of course the dog would win when not nobbled. and no my dad never did what the book said .
And for those that need to know a dog with a track leg runs with a small bandage on its leg . And the book said under the bandage to place a stinging nettle !!!
But sport in Aussie is like the rest of the world and be tarnished for years!!
cycling way back in the early 1900's was tarnished by organised crime!!
Match fixing in Aussie rules footy .there is a story that a good footy player crossed from the big V to South Aussie in the 1930's I believe .
Day came fo the state footy match ex Vic player kicked the first 2 or 3 goals for his new state .Then he stopped and told other SA forwards thats it guys we aint winning today !! Can not recall his name .
As a boy my folks owned and raced Greyhounds . I remember reading an old greyhound book from the 1950's or 60's my dad had been given . And on the inside pages was a hand written account of how to nobble a greyhound .and make it appear to have a track leg . Result being the next race the dogs odds would be very high and of course the dog would win when not nobbled. and no my dad never did what the book said .
And for those that need to know a dog with a track leg runs with a small bandage on its leg . And the book said under the bandage to place a stinging nettle !!!
But sport in Aussie is like the rest of the world and be tarnished for years!!
Newlife08: I guess most people will have heard the news today of the Australian Crime Commission investigation into drug use in professional sport that has been going on for 12 mths.
The findings so far are shocking and made me feel sick to the stomach. We don't know names, or they haven't been made public yet, clubs etc. but a lot of people are going to be having sleepless nights??
It made me so sad when I heard it on the car radio today.
All I can say is I hope they throw the book at whoever is found guilty, sure some will be doing jail time. The lawyers will be having a field day.
Don't think I am going to enjoy this years footy season - not until it is clearer who did and who didn't.
The findings so far are shocking and made me feel sick to the stomach. We don't know names, or they haven't been made public yet, clubs etc. but a lot of people are going to be having sleepless nights??
It made me so sad when I heard it on the car radio today.
All I can say is I hope they throw the book at whoever is found guilty, sure some will be doing jail time. The lawyers will be having a field day.
Don't think I am going to enjoy this years footy season - not until it is clearer who did and who didn't.
We the people the supporters off these clubs just have to give them the message NO!
We do not condone drugging up young men or women to play better sport!
This is not an option! Drug free or we walk away!
I don’t want the day to come that we see a contest between the drug companies on a sporting field?
that’s not sport?
I don’t want to see my team win if they cheat to win!
This problem has been around for quite some time. And is not a recent happening. Not surprisingly this day had to come. But many people still believe sport is just sport. Well it's not, and is nowadays just like any other big business as we've all seen in recent times. Business needs to profit whilst staying competitive. It's always going to be problem when sports betting is allowed.
To all of you sports supporters:
If you watch the game on TV,
If you buy a ticket to see a game,
If you have bought a team cap, scarf, car sticker or banner
If you are a sports paraphernalia collector...
You are a supporter and therefore unwittingly you have became part of the system that created the situation of sport betting, match fixing and drugs because without your support there would not be any over-glorified sporting hero’s. Players are prepared to go to any length for themselves to remain top in their game so as to give you, their supporters what they want.
Without sports supporters this situation could never have propagated...
Hans
If you watch the game on TV,
If you buy a ticket to see a game,
If you have bought a team cap, scarf, car sticker or banner
If you are a sports paraphernalia collector...
You are a supporter and therefore unwittingly you have became part of the system that created the situation of sport betting, match fixing and drugs because without your support there would not be any over-glorified sporting hero’s. Players are prepared to go to any length for themselves to remain top in their game so as to give you, their supporters what they want.
Without sports supporters this situation could never have propagated...
Hans
Newlife08: I guess most people will have heard the news today of the Australian Crime Commission investigation into drug use in professional sport that has been going on for 12 mths.
The findings so far are shocking and made me feel sick to the stomach. We don't know names, or they haven't been made public yet, clubs etc. but a lot of people are going to be having sleepless nights??
It made me so sad when I heard it on the car radio today.
All I can say is I hope they throw the book at whoever is found guilty, sure some will be doing jail time. The lawyers will be having a field day.
Don't think I am going to enjoy this years footy season - not until it is clearer who did and who didn't.
The findings so far are shocking and made me feel sick to the stomach. We don't know names, or they haven't been made public yet, clubs etc. but a lot of people are going to be having sleepless nights??
It made me so sad when I heard it on the car radio today.
All I can say is I hope they throw the book at whoever is found guilty, sure some will be doing jail time. The lawyers will be having a field day.
Don't think I am going to enjoy this years footy season - not until it is clearer who did and who didn't.
How does this affect you personally? What exactly disturbs you about performance enhancing drugs?
AgentAjax: How does this affect you personally? What exactly disturbs you about performance enhancing drugs?
I cannot speak for Newlife, but in my personal life... I can sure say..
My boys when they were young, thought that Maradonna was it and a bit.. posters on the wall etc... both Soccer playerss...
and then when he got caught with drugs... and had to admit it..
I sat the boys down, and told them ... that people in the limelight have a responsibility...etc... and its not OK to do such things..
So the posters went down, and another hero was found...
They have never liked him since... and yes, that was personal...
AgentAjax: How does this affect you personally? What exactly disturbs you about performance enhancing drugs?
It affects me in many ways AA. I am not naive enough to believe that there are no/has not been any drugs in sport but I enjoy the spectacle of a fair contest where the best team/man/woman wins?
Part of it is as Merri said, the responsibility the elite sports people have to the juniors coming thru the ranks - think how many young sports people in this country who have a sports idol whether it be a footy player or swimmer? They are going to be devastated when they find out they have cheated.
I am not a scientist or expert in any way in sports medicine but I do know there are banned substances and they are banned for a reason?
And yes I do realise that sport is now a business and where criminal elements can infiltrate a sport and influence the result of a game, big money can be made and people can be bought.
I guess I feel sad for those people who do idolise anyone in sports - especially the kids.
Newlife08: It affects me in many ways AA. I am not naive enough to believe that there are no/has not been any drugs in sport but I enjoy the spectacle of a fair contest where the best team/man/woman wins?
Part of it is as Merri said, the responsibility the elite sports people have to the juniors coming thru the ranks - think how many young sports people in this country who have a sports idol whether it be a footy player or swimmer? They are going to be devastated when they find out they have cheated.
I am not a scientist or expert in any way in sports medicine but I do know there are banned substances and they are banned for a reason?
And yes I do realise that sport is now a business and where criminal elements can infiltrate a sport and influence the result of a game, big money can be made and people can be bought.
I guess I feel sad for those people who do idolise anyone in sports - especially the kids.
Part of it is as Merri said, the responsibility the elite sports people have to the juniors coming thru the ranks - think how many young sports people in this country who have a sports idol whether it be a footy player or swimmer? They are going to be devastated when they find out they have cheated.
I am not a scientist or expert in any way in sports medicine but I do know there are banned substances and they are banned for a reason?
And yes I do realise that sport is now a business and where criminal elements can infiltrate a sport and influence the result of a game, big money can be made and people can be bought.
I guess I feel sad for those people who do idolise anyone in sports - especially the kids.
yes, and when you sell your soul to drugs... you might as well kiss ya life goodbye... because if you have any self respect... you wont at the end...
AgentAjax: What about we look at it in another way. Contact sport is not fair as per se in football, players are not evenly matched by size and weight like they would be in say boxing. Performance enhancing drugs such as steroids help in recovery when an injury occurs.
FDA promote healthy living by lasing everything with either strychnine or anti-biotic , vegetables you buy in Coles or Woolworths are grown on three minerals. Overall we live in a very drug induced environment. Im not so sure why they should be illegal when you look at the overall picture.
FDA promote healthy living by lasing everything with either strychnine or anti-biotic , vegetables you buy in Coles or Woolworths are grown on three minerals. Overall we live in a very drug induced environment. Im not so sure why they should be illegal when you look at the overall picture.
unless you have lived with these drugs, like prednisolne etc you have no idea of the risks and the impacts on a persons life. The inherent muscle weakness it causes, the thinning of the skin and cell/vein\/artery walls it causes, not to mention the unceasing hunger pangs that go with taking it. Not to mention the depression, the fluid retention, the greater risk of glaucoma, and diabetes, not to mention the other myriad of side effects it can and does cause.
why any person, let alone a potential athelete would willing take these sorts of drug is beyond me.
the importance that is placed on sport, the money that can be made by betting etc has tainted what was once the pureness of the acheivement of sport.
what has caused this?
well maybe partially it is the importance of what each of us place on sport.
each time we watch on TV we place a $ value on it. Each time we buy memorabilia again we place a $ value on it. Each time we go to a match we again place a $ value on it.
and sadly for each $ value we place on it there is the pressure for those who need/want to achieve greatness, to cheat.
I must admit, I gave up following sport years ago because it was becoming to commercialised.
I loved watching cycling, but watching Lance Armstrong win so convincingly over everyone else didnt seem right to me, even a freak of nature was never going to be able to ride consistently like he could.
it is the supporters that have to stand up and say NO!
money will always speak louder than anything else. If supporters withdraw their support eventually they should listen..
hopefully
jem1964: unless you have lived with these drugs, like prednisolne etc you have no idea of the risks and the impacts on a persons life. The inherent muscle weakness it causes, the thinning of the skin and cell/vein\/artery walls it causes, not to mention the unceasing hunger pangs that go with taking it. Not to mention the depression, the fluid retention, the greater risk of glaucoma, and diabetes, not to mention the other myriad of side effects it can and does cause.
why any person, let alone a potential athelete would willing take these sorts of drug is beyond me.
the importance that is placed on sport, the money that can be made by betting etc has tainted what was once the pureness of the acheivement of sport.
what has caused this?
well maybe partially it is the importance of what each of us place on sport.
each time we watch on TV we place a $ value on it. Each time we buy memorabilia again we place a $ value on it. Each time we go to a match we again place a $ value on it.
and sadly for each $ value we place on it there is the pressure for those who need/want to achieve greatness, to cheat.
I must admit, I gave up following sport years ago because it was becoming to commercialised.
I loved watching cycling, but watching Lance Armstrong win so convincingly over everyone else didnt seem right to me, even a freak of nature was never going to be able to ride consistently like he could.
it is the supporters that have to stand up and say NO!
money will always speak louder than anything else. If supporters withdraw their support eventually they should listen..
hopefully
why any person, let alone a potential athelete would willing take these sorts of drug is beyond me.
the importance that is placed on sport, the money that can be made by betting etc has tainted what was once the pureness of the acheivement of sport.
what has caused this?
well maybe partially it is the importance of what each of us place on sport.
each time we watch on TV we place a $ value on it. Each time we buy memorabilia again we place a $ value on it. Each time we go to a match we again place a $ value on it.
and sadly for each $ value we place on it there is the pressure for those who need/want to achieve greatness, to cheat.
I must admit, I gave up following sport years ago because it was becoming to commercialised.
I loved watching cycling, but watching Lance Armstrong win so convincingly over everyone else didnt seem right to me, even a freak of nature was never going to be able to ride consistently like he could.
it is the supporters that have to stand up and say NO!
money will always speak louder than anything else. If supporters withdraw their support eventually they should listen..
hopefully
Well said Jem... I agree... withdraw the money...
Merriweather: If you are a pipsqueak and you wanna fight a giant.. then it's an ego thingo... not a terribly bright
as for steriods... my son at 5yrs lost all his plateletes and was given steriods for 2 weeks.. and he ate, and ate, and ate.. and I was horrified at the amount of food he was eating... not something that I recommend...doing, nor watching ....
Think I have said enough.
As I said steroids are used to save lives. My son has been on prednisone for the last 7 years, without this steroid he wouldn’t be here today. How does it affect him? Hmm in no shape or form whatsoever. Here is a little bit of contradiction to Jems reply. The prednisone he has to take is actually prescribed to get rid of the fluid from his system.as for steriods... my son at 5yrs lost all his plateletes and was given steriods for 2 weeks.. and he ate, and ate, and ate.. and I was horrified at the amount of food he was eating... not something that I recommend...doing, nor watching ....
Think I have said enough.
AgentAjax: As I said steroids are used to save lives. My son has been on prednisone for the last 7 years, without this steroid he wouldn’t be here today. How does it affect him? Hmm in no shape or form whatsoever. Here is a little bit of contradiction to Jems reply. The prednisone he has to take is actually prescribed to get rid of the fluid from his system.
Ajax without this steriod I would not have been around for the last 30+ years. I do know what I am talking about.
I am glad to hear that your son doesnt (at present) appear to have many side effects. But long term the potential for side effects increases. Do not underestimate the potential side effects.
life saver, yes it is, but to take drugs such as steriods just to enhance the chance of improvement over the potential long term side effects is a no brainer for me
I have watched a friend who took prednisolone as a teenager have to have dual hip replacements at 20 because the prednisolone had caused necrosis of the bone. I have watched people suffer from osteoporosis because of the drugs prescribed. I have also seen many lives saved because of drugs like prednisolone. They have their place...
in saving lives
not to potentially enhance a sporting achievement
good luck and good health to your son, please make sure he always eats before taking his drugs. It is a simple way of reducing some of the side effects of long term use
I am surprised that anyone even finds these findings surprising!! Did that make sense? 
Every day I see people of all ages and all walks of life buying drugs and the paraphernalia to use them. It is a very sad but real reflection on society. Add money and corruption, it is always going to happen.
Every day I see people of all ages and all walks of life buying drugs and the paraphernalia to use them. It is a very sad but real reflection on society. Add money and corruption, it is always going to happen.
jem1964: Ajax without this steriod I would not have been around for the last 30+ years. I do know what I am talking about.
I am glad to hear that your son doesnt (at present) appear to have many side effects. But long term the potential for side effects increases. Do not underestimate the potential side effects.life saver, yes it is, but to take drugs such as steriods just to enhance the chance of improvement over the potential long term side effects is a no brainer for me
I have watched a friend who took prednisolone as a teenager have to have dual hip replacements at 20 because the prednisolone had caused necrosis of the bone. I have watched people suffer from osteoporosis because of the drugs prescribed. I have also seen many lives saved because of drugs like prednisolone. They have their place...
in saving lives
not to potentially enhance a sporting achievement
good luck and good health to your son, please make sure he always eats before taking his drugs. It is a simple way of reducing some of the side effects of long term use
Prednisone and Prednisolone have different side affects and each though sounding simular are used to treat different illnesses.I am glad to hear that your son doesnt (at present) appear to have many side effects. But long term the potential for side effects increases. Do not underestimate the potential side effects.life saver, yes it is, but to take drugs such as steriods just to enhance the chance of improvement over the potential long term side effects is a no brainer for me
I have watched a friend who took prednisolone as a teenager have to have dual hip replacements at 20 because the prednisolone had caused necrosis of the bone. I have watched people suffer from osteoporosis because of the drugs prescribed. I have also seen many lives saved because of drugs like prednisolone. They have their place...
in saving lives
not to potentially enhance a sporting achievement
good luck and good health to your son, please make sure he always eats before taking his drugs. It is a simple way of reducing some of the side effects of long term use
snagsmoore: I am surprised that anyone even finds these findings surprising!! Did that make sense?
Every day I see people of all ages and all walks of life buying drugs and the paraphernalia to use them. It is a very sad but real reflection on society. Add money and corruption, it is always going to happen.
Tell whats not a drug these days? Every day I see people of all ages and all walks of life buying drugs and the paraphernalia to use them. It is a very sad but real reflection on society. Add money and corruption, it is always going to happen.
snagsmoore: I am surprised that anyone even finds these findings surprising!! Did that make sense?
Every day I see people of all ages and all walks of life buying drugs and the paraphernalia to use them. It is a very sad but real reflection on society. Add money and corruption, it is always going to happen.
Every day I see people of all ages and all walks of life buying drugs and the paraphernalia to use them. It is a very sad but real reflection on society. Add money and corruption, it is always going to happen.
Yep
just hope this perfomance drug is never banned
AgentAjax: Prednisone and Prednisolone have different side affects and each though sounding simular are used to treat different illnesses.
same drug, just different forms
from wiki
Prednisone is a glucocorticoid prodrug that is converted by in the liver into the active form, prednisolone.
And yes, both are used to treat many different things, some very serious illnesses.
I still say that any athlete that wants to put drugs like this into their body really needs to think long and hard about it. Yep it will help with their short term goal but if taken incorrectly can and does causes serious problems even if only taken for a short time.
so how creates the pressure to succeed at all costs? Is it the athlete looking for glory? Or is the supporters always wanting a little bit more??
I know for instance, the game of Aussie Rules has changed dramatically since I was a kid. Even at local level now people are paid to play. Whereas once they played to compete, because they enjoyed it.
does it all come back to "Money is the root of all Evil"?
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I guess most people will have heard the news today of the Australian Crime Commission investigation into drug use in professional sport that has been going on for 12 mths.
The findings so far are shocking and made me feel sick to the stomach. We don't know names, or they haven't been made public yet, clubs etc. but a lot of people are going to be having sleepless nights??
It made me so sad when I heard it on the car radio today.
All I can say is I hope they throw the book at whoever is found guilty, sure some will be doing jail time. The lawyers will be having a field day.
Don't think I am going to enjoy this years footy season - not until it is clearer who did and who didn't.